British man beats German tourist to death.

[Vixpy1]

Blimey, drunk in that bar quite often!

[Soov535]

Richyboy said:

So if the thin skull rule applies there, he's fked. If not, couldn't he just say that he was under duress believing his daughter was under the threat of harm (kidnapping) and he acted accordingly.

He's fooked, no doubt about it. Lamped the guy and he's dead.

[andrewparker]

greygoose said:

Richyboy said:

So if the thin skull rule applies there, he's fked. If not, couldn't he just say that he was under duress believing his daughter was under the threat of harm (kidnapping) and he acted accordingly.

He could say he acted in the heat of the moment (which is undoubtedly true) but not sure there is anything to suggest kidnapping.

How is heat of the moment taking your family home then returning to the restaurant to lamp him? I'd say that gave him plenty of thinking time.

[Mojocvh]

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wc98 said:

daytona365 said:

When is all this media led paranoia going to end, how many more guilty and indeed innocent victims of 'the mob' going to be beaten and like this case, even killed ?.......Perverts are not everywhere, maybe 1 in 10,000 are real threats to kids safety. Imo of course.

paranoia you say, i think between rotherham, paedo mp,s and various other instances there is no paranoia involved. i am a generally law abiding citizen ,the generally ends when it comes to my kids. anyone harms them or shows any nasty intent toward them, i will react in whatever way i deem to be appropriate at the time . this serves two purposes ,one it lets the individual involved know that if they attempt anything with my kids they will suffer pain and possibly broken bones (if they actually laid hands on either of two daughters it would be death ) and two it lets my kids know that their father is indeed there to protect them.

now i know you may not like that attitude,personally i do not give a fk. it will not cause you or anyone else any issues as long as you have no bad intentions toward my children. as a father it is my responsibility ,and mine alone to protect my family, not the police, not the judiciary (definitely not them ,though they appear to prefer young boys) nor anyone else .

in this instance a father was incensed by a lone male filming his child ,the fact he was filming other things (in a restaurant ? wtf ) is not surprising, i would imagine most paedos would attempt to make their actions less noticeable .
no one would have an issue with most people filming most of the time , so imo ,something has been off to make the father challenge the bloke in the first case.

i do not know whether you have kids ,most people i know given a choice between their kids or a red button that would wipe out every single other person on the planet will take the red button every single time,so the odd dead paedo is of no consequence to most parents

So your darling little farquar turns out to be a bully, another parent catches him at it,tells him off and he runs home to data and tells you a bunch of lies about nasty paedo man, what are you going to do Mr psycho?

[raftom]

wc98 said:

i do not know whether you have kids ,most people i know given a choice between their kids or a red button that would wipe out every single other person on the planet will take the red button every single time,so the odd dead paedo is of no consequence to most parents

Most people given a choice between raising their kids or watch them grow up from behind the bars would choose the former.

But by "most people" I mean the non-neanderthal variety who can think before acting.

[Asterix]

Mojocvh said:

So your darling little farquar turns out to be a bully, another parent catches him at it,tells him off and he runs home to data and tells you a bunch of lies about nasty paedo man, what are you going to do Mr psycho?

If I was an android, I'd beat up everyone.

[Halb]

hornetrider said:

And on the other hand, there's scumbags who get really light sentences for what is effectively murder.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622332/Fo...

Looking at that whole scenario, the sentence does seem rather lenient.

[Pesty]

Mojocvh said:

So your darling little farquar turns out to be a bully, another parent catches him at it,tells him off and he runs home to data and tells you a bunch of lies about nasty paedo man, what are you going to do Mr psycho?

not remotely the same as catching on in the act so to speak is it.

[Oakey]

I see it didn't take long for the Nonce Defence Force to crawl out of the woodwork

[Burwood]

Pesty said:

Soov535 said:

He'll probably get 15 years. Likely to serve it there I guess.

Sad situation - moment of loss of control.

For one punch ' if accurate' while a possible known offender was caught in the act and then being belligerent?

I'm sure that would be mitigating circumstances, if he was jumping up and down on his head. Then yeah throw the key away.

Not having much sympathy here for the german guy if the story is accurate.

in my opinion the Brit should not serve Jail time.

[Burwood]

Soov535 said:

hornetrider said:

Soov535 said:

So it appears that chap take exception to Ze German taking pictures of his daughter, grabs iPad (presumably to erase them) and then scrolls through and finds child pornography on there in addition to the pics of his daughter.

He goes mental and smashes the guy.

Seems about the size of it.

Soov535 said:

Roid rage?

Wouldn't take roids for me to get the rage in the same situation. I'm no badass but the iPad would end up fked and no mistake. As to anything else, I'd probably leave it to the law. After destroying the evidence in a rage, obvs.

Bloke has just been unlucky here. If he'd clumped the fella and he'd got up with a bsuted jaw then it wouldn't have gone any further.

Used to get clients like this up on murder charges from one punch. Victim falls over and smashes head on pavement and dies. Some of them are still in jail.

You really do have to think before you throw a punch.

completely agree about thinking first- i often think 'what if'. I once hit someone during a road rage incident-he completely deserved it by any measure but I can imagine the trouble id be in if he was seriously injured.

[oyster]

wc98 said:

carinaman said:

You can't go around killing people for Public Order offences:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshir...


And anyway they probably have different laws in Spain.

if someone is doing something related to my kids i do not like,i can do whatever i want there may be consequences in the long run ,but that would not stop any father i know looking out for his kids best interests . in this instance i have no sympathy for the dead paedo,and believe neither will the spanish justice system.i would not be expecting the father to serve any jail time for this.

As a father myself, my kids' best interest is served by me being around and not in jail.

Each to their own I suppose.

[andrewparker]

Oakey said:

I see it didn't take long for the Nonce Defence Force to crawl out of the woodwork

Ultimately a thread like this is always going to be split into people who think everyone should obey the law, and those who think they are the law.

[Burwood]

andrewparker said:

Oakey said:

I see it didn't take long for the Nonce Defence Force to crawl out of the woodwork

Ultimately a thread like this is always going to be split into people who think everyone should obey the law, and those who think they are the law.

Not 'they are the law', more like the scumbag had it coming (a punch) and his death was not foreseen. Quite a difference to stabbing him in the chest with his cutlery or beating him repeatedly in a rage.

[Bluebarge]

Oakey said:

I see it didn't take long for the Nonce Defence Force to crawl out of the woodwork

Neanderthal logic at its finest.

[Mojocvh]

Pesty said:

Mojocvh said:

So your darling little farquar turns out to be a bully, another parent catches him at it,tells him off and he runs home to dada and tells you a bunch of lies about nasty paedo man, what are you going to do Mr psycho?

not remotely the same as catching on in the act so to speak is it.

In the act of WHAT? [DM advocates mode]



PH-ery at it's finest!

Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 10th February 12:43

[Rovinghawk]

wc98 said:

no,not suspected at all. the man was found in possession of child porn . possession of child porn equals paedo in my book. whether he had been prosecuted for it to earn an "official paedo" title matters not .

Vigilante justice. What could possibly be wrong with that?

If he's given a fair trial & found guilty then nail him up on a cross, but give him that fair trial first. Emotion doesn't always lead to justice.

[Bluebarge]

Burwood said:

Not 'they are the law', more like the scumbag had it coming (a punch) and his death was not foreseen.

That's not relevant under English law and I don't believe it is under Spanish law. Under English law, if you strike someone with the intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm, and cause death as a result, that is murder. PH hard-men may want to bear that in mind next time they want to mete out some vigilante "justice" with their fists.

Under Spanish law, you are prosecuted for homicide. There are attenuating or aggravating circumstances such as acting in self-defence, but whacking someone "because he deserved it" when you could just as easily have called the police, ain't one of them.

[WestyCarl]

oyster said:

wc98 said:

carinaman said:

You can't go around killing people for Public Order offences:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshir...


And anyway they probably have different laws in Spain.

if someone is doing something related to my kids i do not like,i can do whatever i want there may be consequences in the long run ,but that would not stop any father i know looking out for his kids best interests . in this instance i have no sympathy for the dead paedo,and believe neither will the spanish justice system.i would not be expecting the father to serve any jail time for this.

As a father myself, my kids' best interest is served by me being around and not in jail.

Each to their own I suppose.

100% agree. In this case the child probably didn't realise they were being pictured. Now there Dad is going to prison for a long time. Can't see how this is good for the Child.

[Burwood]

WestyCarl said:

oyster said:

wc98 said:

carinaman said:

You can't go around killing people for Public Order offences:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshir...


And anyway they probably have different laws in Spain.

if someone is doing something related to my kids i do not like,i can do whatever i want there may be consequences in the long run ,but that would not stop any father i know looking out for his kids best interests . in this instance i have no sympathy for the dead paedo,and believe neither will the spanish justice system.i would not be expecting the father to serve any jail time for this.

As a father myself, my kids' best interest is served by me being around and not in jail.

Each to their own I suppose.

100% agree. In this case the child probably didn't realise they were being pictured. Now there Dad is going to prison for a long time. Can't see how this is good for the Child.

I'll put money on it he does not go to prison for a very long time. Suspended sentence