Tipper Truck incident in Bath

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anonymous-user

55 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Oh no, truly awful..

mrtwisty

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166 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Drove down this lane just yesterday. It's 2nd gear and an occasional dab of the brakes in a car, really scary to consider what 34 tons must feel like going down there. RIP.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Here's a bit more info in the local paper. Lack of weight limit confirmed; I doubt that will be the case for long.

http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/ggjh/story-25998229...

turbobloke

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261 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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I'm reading one of the dead is a little girl who was walking with her other and grandmother frown

Unbelievably tragic.

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Looked like quite an old lorry as far as I could tell, I think a lot of them are owner/drivers who need to get plenty of trips in to make decent money.

GloverMart

11,833 posts

216 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Further update just now...

Three people in the car that died were 59, 52 and 34 and from South Wales. Little girl pedestrian was just four. cry

camshafted

938 posts

166 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Locals say the driver is 19.

Digga

40,352 posts

284 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
Looked like quite an old lorry as far as I could tell...
Don't get a job retailing tipper then - that was a not too old Scania. 8 wheel tippers are built like brick outhouses and can last ages.

Tippers are a very 'difficult' bit of kit with regard to maintenance and legality. I have a customer (won't say where) who has a very large fleet and says that despite very regular maintenance and checks (trucks used off-highway would normally have to get an MOT every 6 weeks) effectively, it's impossible to keep trucks 'legal'. This might be an obscured light or number plate (due to muck) or a missing mudflap (yes the law can pull HGVs for that, torn off during an off road trip on site. Lugging 20 odd tonnes of muck or aggregate on and off road, daily, is a very tough job. A truck could leave the yard legal first thing in the morning and be illegal - possibly even unsafe due to serious site damage - by lunchtime.

It could be a very, very unlucky, tragic failure, or it could also be a negligent lack of maintenance. All the tachos, daily checks, MOTs and service records will be being scrutinised. Whatever, the driver's life is certainly amongst those ruined.

jogon

2,971 posts

159 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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camshafted said:
Locals say the driver is 19.
I thought you might need to be older to have an HGV Licence but a quick google seems 18 is when you can apply. Used to be 21 though back in 2009.


XCP

16,939 posts

229 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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A very good friend of mine was involved driving a newish BMW which was crushed. She escaped with bruising and shock thank goodness. I think she was lucky she was in a modern beemer to be honest. It's terrible. I use that road a lot. I thought there was a weight limit, but it seems not.
It is tricky sticking to 20 in a car, let alone a huge lorry I should imagine.

My thoughts are with all involved. I am a bit choked to be honest.

joe_90

4,206 posts

232 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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That hill is steep, When I started driving (17) the instructor asked if I could drive.. Yes.. I replied.. we went up to Landsdown and he put me in the car.

"Turn Left along here please.. "

I was on that hill, first time I had been in the car on the road within 3 mins of getting in it.

I suspect the brakes overcooked, He would have been on the brakes all the way down the hill for quite a while.

matchmaker

8,497 posts

201 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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From 1968 in Glasgow:

A Glasgow Forum said:
The Glasgow Herald in its edition for Monday the 14th October also gave a tribute to the business in a full two-page feature supported by generous advertising from suppliers and others. Little did anyone know that just seven days later on the following Monday the evening papers were to report a different story.

Monday the 21st October, 1968 there?s a fatal lorry accident and Lyon Limited becomes national news. Press reports of the tragedy appeared in the newspapers, radio and television.

This was the disaster that in time was to prove the fatal blow to the future of the business. As the dust settled and the hours and days unfolded the full extent of the drama became clearer. It was a national news item on both television and the radio for a day or two. The following day?s "Glasgow Herald" reported that one customer had died and a further 25 persons were injured, four seriously.

To give you an idea of the force of the crash, it was reported that it was of about a magnitude of 70 tons, "like a tank" and when the lorry was inside the shop there was a distance of 15 feet from the tailboard to the street pavement. The fabric of the whole building was affected and cracks were clearly visible from the front. There was a fear that the it would have to be demolished straightaway, however it was shored up and made safe.

About two weeks after the crash the firm reopened for business, thanks to the goodwill of the community headed by Sir Hugh Fraser, chairman of the House of Fraser. This was done by opening four "Mini shops" one in part of the damaged shop and three others close by in what were empty premises.

The hope was that in time the building could be repaired and the business could resume as it was before the disaster. However time went on and it became clear that eventually the damaged building would have to be demolished. The lorry was pulled out a few weeks after the accident and the police brought charges against its owner and the driver.

When the case came to the Sheriff Court in June 1969 an expert police mechanic said, "No driver in his right mind should have taken that lorry on the road." It had a faulty braking system, a tyre with no trace of a tread, a faulty warning buzzer and an ineffective handbrake. The driver admitted that he had little experience of lorries, having only driven vans until he started driving that lorry three months previously. However he was found guilty of negligence and fined £60 together with a licence endorsement. The owner of the lorry got away with it as ownership of the lorry was vested in the name of his company. This company was still trading in 1993, still in the phone book at that time.


I remember it well. I used to buy stuff for my chemistry set from that shop.

To show how steep the street was:



Edited by matchmaker on Tuesday 10th February 12:56

Hooli

32,278 posts

201 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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jogon said:
camshafted said:
Locals say the driver is 19.
I thought you might need to be older to have an HGV Licence but a quick google seems 18 is when you can apply. Used to be 21 though back in 2009.
I think under 21 you can only operate within a set distance from base, something like 60km from memory.

Digga

40,352 posts

284 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Hooli said:
jogon said:
camshafted said:
Locals say the driver is 19.
I thought you might need to be older to have an HGV Licence but a quick google seems 18 is when you can apply. Used to be 21 though back in 2009.
I think under 21 you can only operate within a set distance from base, something like 60km from memory.
IMHO, whilst i think some of the regulation surrounding HGVs has become overly complex and unnecessarily controlling, 19 does seem incredibly young to have just huge responsibility.

On a similar tack, I've had a few near-misses with tractors & trailers/implements travelling at unsuitable speeds whilst driven by very young operators.

smifffymoto

4,565 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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The only people under 21, legally driving LGV's are in the military.

Hooli

32,278 posts

201 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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smifffymoto said:
The only people under 21, legally driving LGV's are in the military.
I could have been thinking of PSV then, I thought the rules were the same.

gareth_r

5,740 posts

238 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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This is being discussed on Radio 2.

Nobody appears to have used Google to check the signs at the entrance to Lansdown Lane (6ft width limit except for access - August 2012).

Edited by gareth_r on Tuesday 10th February 13:55

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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gareth_r said:
This is being discussed on Radio 2.

Nobody appears to have used Google to check the signs at the entrance to Lansdown Lane (6ft width limit except for access).
yes



bobfett

144 posts

118 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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gareth_r said:
This is being discussed on Radio 2.

Nobody appears to have used Google to check the signs at the entrance to Lansdown Lane (6ft width limit except for access - August 2012).

Edited by gareth_r on Tuesday 10th February 13:55
Meanwhile, up thread:

ewenm said:
I drove down it about 2 hours earlier. As it happens the width-restriction sign at the top has been flattened by someone earlier. So I guess the tipper driver if not local may not have seen it.

Tragic incident.