Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[Finlandia]

myvision said:

Send them all back from that centre unless they handover the six guilty.

The guilty ones have already been identified and released, hence the public protests on Gotland, and the massive police presence.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

An interesting article about journalism and specifically Swedish journalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/liars-hir...

[irocfan]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

An interesting article about journalism and specifically Swedish journalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/liars-hir...

very interesting - up to a point. The point where it lost me (and indeed, unfortunately, takes away from the interesting stuff) is below...

"Needless to say, the outlet’s newsroom was crammed full of women, their pet cucks and, of course, Jews. The former enjoyed absolute power regardless of their position—a simple complaint to HR was enough to fire anyone, no proof required. The cucks, represented by twig-armed, piercing-laden, wispy-bearded creatures in Che Guevara shirts, were very pleased with the way things were going, sipping lattes and snitching to HR on those who expressed ideas incompatible with the narrative. Jews were in their native element in the newsroom, doing their usual “arrogant intellectual” schtick and getting promotions out of nowhere. The majority of articles bashing natives, their culture and values came from them, as later study of the newspaper’s website showed me."

[jshell]

Hugh Jarse said:

Looket said:

Facts (no longer reported in Sweden due to stalinist manipulation of statistics)

Looking forward to the answer from the deluded bedwetters.
My local paper didnt like the comments so they took away the comments section.
Dont you burst our bubble truthers!
Im paying 62% income tax for this fiasco of importing people who group rape women in wheelchairs.
Oh but thats always happened, apparently, according to revisionists.

Despite Looket's assertion, I'm no 'bedwetter', quite the opposite in fact.

However, a blatant swing to extreme right-wing groups to take the lead is a fool's errand. Anyone retarded enough to think that the extreme right wing will come along, sort out the 'nasties' and then make things all better is just, well, retarded. I KNOW there's a problem, a real problem, but you can't deal with idiots by engaging other idiots or the whole thing falls apart at the seams and you exchange one set of uncontrollable dicks with another set of uncontrollable dicks!

[FN2TypeR]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

An interesting article about journalism and specifically Swedish journalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/liars-hir...

IT WOZ DUH JEWZ WOT DUN IT

[Digga]

jshell said:

Despite Looket's assertion, I'm no 'bedwetter', quite the opposite in fact.

However, a blatant swing to extreme right-wing groups to take the lead is a fool's errand. Anyone retarded enough to think that the extreme right wing will come along, sort out the 'nasties' and then make things all better is just, well, retarded. I KNOW there's a problem, a real problem, but you can't deal with idiots by engaging other idiots or the whole thing falls apart at the seams and you exchange one set of uncontrollable dicks with another set of uncontrollable dicks!

I agree. Combining two types of stupidity never delivers any rational outcome.

[Finlandia]

Digga said:

jshell said:

Despite Looket's assertion, I'm no 'bedwetter', quite the opposite in fact.

However, a blatant swing to extreme right-wing groups to take the lead is a fool's errand. Anyone retarded enough to think that the extreme right wing will come along, sort out the 'nasties' and then make things all better is just, well, retarded. I KNOW there's a problem, a real problem, but you can't deal with idiots by engaging other idiots or the whole thing falls apart at the seams and you exchange one set of uncontrollable dicks with another set of uncontrollable dicks!

I agree. Combining two types of stupidity never delivers any rational outcome.

The problem is that the more "normal" parties see no issues with the goings on.
We are being told that raping is not a cultural problem, but a male problem, the torching of cars and pelting emergency services with rocks, that's just bored kids playing, the violence we see all around is due to PTSD of these poor souls.
For every problem we are facing, instead of trying to find a solution, we are being fed a lie, sorry, an explanation and a plea to be understanding. For every objection made, the R card is shown.

Then there are the economic issues, the infrastructure, healthcare/care for the aged, schools and justice system/police are all in free fall. There are not enough jobs or houses and there is not enough money in the state purse to do much of anything.

What solution is there, when those in charge refuse to see the reality, the rise in the right wing is mainly the fault of the past and current leaders.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

irocfan said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

An interesting article about journalism and specifically Swedish journalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/liars-hir...

very interesting - up to a point. The point where it lost me (and indeed, unfortunately, takes away from the interesting stuff) is below...

"Needless to say, the outlet’s newsroom was crammed full of women, their pet cucks and, of course, Jews. The former enjoyed absolute power regardless of their position—a simple complaint to HR was enough to fire anyone, no proof required. The cucks, represented by twig-armed, piercing-laden, wispy-bearded creatures in Che Guevara shirts, were very pleased with the way things were going, sipping lattes and snitching to HR on those who expressed ideas incompatible with the narrative. Jews were in their native element in the newsroom, doing their usual “arrogant intellectual” schtick and getting promotions out of nowhere. The majority of articles bashing natives, their culture and values came from them, as later study of the newspaper’s website showed me."

The divergence into Anti-semitism, as with a lot of Zerohedge, is not the interesting part, it is the first part around the bias being baked into the organisation.

[BrabusMog]

Finlandia said:

The problem is that the more "normal" parties see no issues with the goings on.
We are being told that raping is not a cultural problem, but a male problem, the torching of cars and pelting emergency services with rocks, that's just bored kids playing, the violence we see all around is due to PTSD of these poor souls.
For every problem we are facing, instead of trying to find a solution, we are being fed a lie, sorry, an explanation and a plea to be understanding. For every objection made, the R card is shown.

Then there are the economic issues, the infrastructure, healthcare/care for the aged, schools and justice system/police are all in free fall. There are not enough jobs or houses and there is not enough money in the state purse to do much of anything.

What solution is there, when those in charge refuse to see the reality, the rise in the right wing is mainly the fault of the past and current leaders.

You’ve put it far better than I could. As my missus is a nurse, I hear some absolute horror stories of people at old people’s homes not being sent for treatment at the hospital when they desperately need to be due to the Kommun we live in being well in the red and not being able to afford to pay for the treatment. Key workers not being given enough hours to earn their full pay whilst asylum seekers come in and get given free bed and board and money to spend does not sit well with me and politicians refusing to acknowledge there is a problem is infuriating. I would never condone violence but I can sympathise with people’s frustrations and see wehy they will eventually move to more extreme action if something is not done soon.

It’s also the fact some of these crimes are so disgusting and extreme and the complete lack of attempts to integrate into the Swedish way of life from the asylum seekers; there is a reason that they come from war torn st holes and if they want a “safe” way of life they should be adopting the cultural practices of where the seek asylum, not trying to make it like back home.

[irocfan]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

irocfan said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

An interesting article about journalism and specifically Swedish journalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/liars-hir...

very interesting - up to a point. The point where it lost me (and indeed, unfortunately, takes away from the interesting stuff) is below...

"Needless to say, the outlet’s newsroom was crammed full of women, their pet cucks and, of course, Jews. The former enjoyed absolute power regardless of their position—a simple complaint to HR was enough to fire anyone, no proof required. The cucks, represented by twig-armed, piercing-laden, wispy-bearded creatures in Che Guevara shirts, were very pleased with the way things were going, sipping lattes and snitching to HR on those who expressed ideas incompatible with the narrative. Jews were in their native element in the newsroom, doing their usual “arrogant intellectual” schtick and getting promotions out of nowhere. The majority of articles bashing natives, their culture and values came from them, as later study of the newspaper’s website showed me."

The divergence into Anti-semitism, as with a lot of Zerohedge, is not the interesting part, it is the first part around the bias being baked into the organisation.

you see this is the issue for me - had he stuck to the message I'd be whole-heartedly agreeing with him (hell I believe that the first part of the article is not even about right - I think it's bang on target), however by sliding into antisemitism he loses a lot of impact and, regretably, outs himself as a racist. While I agree that being racist doesn't neccessarily mean you are automatically wrong it does mean that you should look very carefully at whatever else is being written

[jshell]

BrabusMog said:

Finlandia said:

The problem is that the more "normal" parties see no issues with the goings on.
We are being told that raping is not a cultural problem, but a male problem, the torching of cars and pelting emergency services with rocks, that's just bored kids playing, the violence we see all around is due to PTSD of these poor souls.
For every problem we are facing, instead of trying to find a solution, we are being fed a lie, sorry, an explanation and a plea to be understanding. For every objection made, the R card is shown.

Then there are the economic issues, the infrastructure, healthcare/care for the aged, schools and justice system/police are all in free fall. There are not enough jobs or houses and there is not enough money in the state purse to do much of anything.

What solution is there, when those in charge refuse to see the reality, the rise in the right wing is mainly the fault of the past and current leaders.

You’ve put it far better than I could. As my missus is a nurse, I hear some absolute horror stories of people at old people’s homes not being sent for treatment at the hospital when they desperately need to be due to the Kommun we live in being well in the red and not being able to afford to pay for the treatment. Key workers not being given enough hours to earn their full pay whilst asylum seekers come in and get given free bed and board and money to spend does not sit well with me and politicians refusing to acknowledge there is a problem is infuriating. I would never condone violence but I can sympathise with people’s frustrations and see wehy they will eventually move to more extreme action if something is not done soon.

It’s also the fact some of these crimes are so disgusting and extreme and the complete lack of attempts to integrate into the Swedish way of life from the asylum seekers; there is a reason that they come from war torn st holes and if they want a “safe” way of life they should be adopting the cultural practices of where the seek asylum, not trying to make it like back home.

As I said, the issues are real. I live in Norway and see some of the issues starting up here around the asylum centres.

However, how do you want to deal with it? I'd suggest, and strongly, that to go 'off-piste' and head Far Right is an equally stoopid thing to do! This is what is happening around Europe right now and the last time we saw such massive political lurches, we ended up with WWII. Would that be worth it? Coz we'd all be fked!

[Escapegoat]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

An interesting article about journalism and specifically Swedish journalism.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-11/liars-hir...

That stinks of being entirely made up to fit ZH's agenda. (Oh, the irony...)

Absolutely nothing specific to give the story any weight. There's actually no substance at all anywhere in it. Advertorial exists and has done since the first press laid ink on paper. Meh. But this article claims much more than that. Rather than reporting "Sven's" words with specific and direct quotes, the writer has put himself front and centre, barely mentioning his friend for whole sections.

If anyone thinks that this article is informative, you (we) have got serious trouble ahead. :-/

[The Don of Croy]

Unfortunately the racist epithet is not going to go away. I had not seen this piece - on Germany - before, but if it is true (and not some hastily concocted report intended to inflame) then there could be major challenges ahead...

http://newobserveronline.com/iq-93-invaders-will-w...

- covered in other sources too, I just chose one near the top...this same subject crops up in some of the emails dumped by Wikileaks last week from one of the Democrats senior bods.

[BrabusMog]

jshell said:

As I said, the issues are real. I live in Norway and see some of the issues starting up here around the asylum centres.

However, how do you want to deal with it? I'd suggest, and strongly, that to go 'off-piste' and head Far Right is an equally stoopid thing to do! This is what is happening around Europe right now and the last time we saw such massive political lurches, we ended up with WWII. Would that be worth it? Coz we'd all be fked!

Agreed, but something does need to be done about it, it’s not fair for politicians to just ignore an issue and for lefty ideologists to continue to brand people racist for actually just being concerned about what is happening in their country! I remember being told a few years ago that many people thought Breivik would be copied by someone in Sweden and I dismissed their thoughts as madness, but now I can see it being a distinct possibility myself. Politicians should be doing what’s best for the country and its citizens but they are doing what is best for their egos, one way or another they need to be made to address the situation.

[jshell]

BrabusMog said:

jshell said:

As I said, the issues are real. I live in Norway and see some of the issues starting up here around the asylum centres.

However, how do you want to deal with it? I'd suggest, and strongly, that to go 'off-piste' and head Far Right is an equally stoopid thing to do! This is what is happening around Europe right now and the last time we saw such massive political lurches, we ended up with WWII. Would that be worth it? Coz we'd all be fked!

Agreed, but something does need to be done about it, it’s not fair for politicians to just ignore an issue and for lefty ideologists to continue to brand people racist for actually just being concerned about what is happening in their country! I remember being told a few years ago that many people thought Breivik would be copied by someone in Sweden and I dismissed their thoughts as madness, but now I can see it being a distinct possibility myself. Politicians should be doing what’s best for the country and its citizens but they are doing what is best for their egos, one way or another they need to be made to address the situation.

We're totally aligned. I deplore the leftist elite here too, but caution is required in dealing with this issue. I'm a little surprised that there hasn't been a copy-cat attack, quite frankly.

[Finlandia]

jshell said:

As I said, the issues are real. I live in Norway and see some of the issues starting up here around the asylum centres.

However, how do you want to deal with it? I'd suggest, and strongly, that to go 'off-piste' and head Far Right is an equally stoopid thing to do! This is what is happening around Europe right now and the last time we saw such massive political lurches, we ended up with WWII. Would that be worth it? Coz we'd all be fked!

The risk with not doing anything are that we will see a new Breivik trying to wipe out the current leaders as well as future ones.

One way to deal with it would be to enforce the laws that are already in place, we can't have criminals with AK47s and handgrenades running around towns, we can't have zones where emergency services can't enter without riot police escort, we can't have daily gang rapes, the ones doing these things need to be locked up or thrown out, as it is today, they are not.

[jshell]

Finlandia said:

jshell said:

As I said, the issues are real. I live in Norway and see some of the issues starting up here around the asylum centres.

However, how do you want to deal with it? I'd suggest, and strongly, that to go 'off-piste' and head Far Right is an equally stoopid thing to do! This is what is happening around Europe right now and the last time we saw such massive political lurches, we ended up with WWII. Would that be worth it? Coz we'd all be fked!

The risk with not doing anything are that we will see a new Breivik trying to wipe out the current leaders as well as future ones.

One way to deal with it would be to enforce the laws that are already in place, we can't have criminals with AK47s and handgrenades running around towns, we can't have zones where emergency services can't enter without riot police escort, we can't have daily gang rapes, the ones doing these things need to be locked up or thrown out, as it is today, they are not.

All points I agree with. However, what thundernuts like Looket haven't pieced together yet is that they WANT Brievik-alikes to take action to deal with the situation, with no regard for the long term outcomes...

We need the proper response from the proper people. i.e. The Police - and yes, I know Scandy coppers are worse than useless, but vigilantes are or can definitely be worse.

It's a terrible situation and very, very concerning.

[Finlandia]

jshell said:

All points I agree with. However, what thundernuts like Looket haven't pieced together yet is that they WANT Brievik-alikes to take action to deal with the situation, with no regard for the long term outcomes...

We need the proper response from the proper people. i.e. The Police - and yes, I know Scandy coppers are worse than useless, but vigilantes are or can definitely be worse.

It's a terrible situation and very, very concerning.

Sadly I can't see anything changing. Eventually we will have some real civil unrest or even worse. Will things change after that, and in what way, nobody knows.

[Looket]

jshell said:

Finlandia said:

jshell said:

As I said, the issues are real. I live in Norway and see some of the issues starting up here around the asylum centres.

However, how do you want to deal with it? I'd suggest, and strongly, that to go 'off-piste' and head Far Right is an equally stoopid thing to do! This is what is happening around Europe right now and the last time we saw such massive political lurches, we ended up with WWII. Would that be worth it? Coz we'd all be fked!

The risk with not doing anything are that we will see a new Breivik trying to wipe out the current leaders as well as future ones.

One way to deal with it would be to enforce the laws that are already in place, we can't have criminals with AK47s and handgrenades running around towns, we can't have zones where emergency services can't enter without riot police escort, we can't have daily gang rapes, the ones doing these things need to be locked up or thrown out, as it is today, they are not.

All points I agree with. However, what thundernuts like Looket haven't pieced together yet is that they WANT Brievik-alikes to take action to deal with the situation, with no regard for the long term outcomes...

We need the proper response from the proper people. i.e. The Police - and yes, I know Scandy coppers are worse than useless, but vigilantes are or can definitely be worse.

It's a terrible situation and very, very concerning.

So, you acknowledge that there is a problem but because of your seeing Nazis behind every corner, you are totally and utterly unwilling to do anything about it and unable to face reality.

I think my comment stands - you are a bit of a bed wetter. People like you are precisely the reason why the right-wing extremists will eventually come into power. Well done.

[del mar]

Looket said:

So, you acknowledge that there is a problem but because of your seeing Nazis behind every corner, you are totally and utterly unwilling to do anything about it and unable to face reality.

I think my comment stands - you are a bit of a bed wetter. People like you are precisely the reason why the right-wing extremists will eventually come into power. Well done.

You're right, but society doesn't have the drive to do anything about it. Look at the Grooming issues in the UK, the only people that say anything are the Racists / Bigots / Extremists. Caring about your country appears to put you into one of those 3 categories.

I decided to write to my MP over the Grooming scandals in the UK, the young lady (23) that I work with said you cant send that in, it will be dismissed as it sounds like you are a racist. I wrote a letter - she didn't, she said it was too hard, so the poor white girls will just have to put up with being raped by Muslim men because she cant write the letter blaming Muslim men, even thought they were the perpetrators in this instance !??! More and more young people are brought up believing that everybody is the same, and to try and accept that some people aren't is very very difficult for them.

Whilst most Swedes are now starting to recognise there is an issue, things have gone so far in one direction, it is too difficult to pull back now.

I got a response though !