Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?
Discussion
SKP555 said:
I think that the whole European political class have too much invested in this project to quit now. And no backup plan.
Behind the nice stuff about humanitarian superpowers and compassion for the world's needy and displaced Europe needs people. Our population is aging, meaning millions more people entitled to generous but unfunded pensions. We are also having less children meaning fewer tax payers to fund them and the rest of the overburdened welfare state. Not to mention that the children we do have stay in education until early middle age and/or spend years unemployed.
Millions of young people desperate to improve their lot in life beating a path to Europe was manna from heaven for those faced with filling that hole.
This solution rests on the arrogant assumption that cultural differences are merely superficial and in a few years these migrants will be happily paying taxes and staffing old people's homes. If this doesn't happen, and the early indications aren't great, then there appears to be no plan B.
Well I think there is an economic aspect to this but it was not national wellbeing. There is mass youth unemployment in large parts of the EU so some sort of temporary ressettlement scheme could have dealt with labour shortages. Furthermore rates of automation are lagging far behind places like South Korea or Japan.Behind the nice stuff about humanitarian superpowers and compassion for the world's needy and displaced Europe needs people. Our population is aging, meaning millions more people entitled to generous but unfunded pensions. We are also having less children meaning fewer tax payers to fund them and the rest of the overburdened welfare state. Not to mention that the children we do have stay in education until early middle age and/or spend years unemployed.
Millions of young people desperate to improve their lot in life beating a path to Europe was manna from heaven for those faced with filling that hole.
This solution rests on the arrogant assumption that cultural differences are merely superficial and in a few years these migrants will be happily paying taxes and staffing old people's homes. If this doesn't happen, and the early indications aren't great, then there appears to be no plan B.
IMO the economic aspect is that it suits establishment interests. Lots of cheap labour ensuring downward pressure on wages and more bodies to house, inflating land values and house prices. The fact that many of these immigrants move into a life of welfare dependency and crime is an irrelevance to them. It is not usually in the enclaves of the rich where they create trouble.
Funkycoldribena said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4269576/KA...
Ooo..cant read that,its Hopkins/The Mail/Fake/Racist/xenophobic/my long lost aunty lives there,she says everythings fine.
Delete as applicable.
As someone open to both sides of the he debate if the data supports it (the Swedish govt spin does not), she puts me off too. Ooo..cant read that,its Hopkins/The Mail/Fake/Racist/xenophobic/my long lost aunty lives there,she says everythings fine.
Delete as applicable.
Vacuous gas bag.
TheDrBrian said:
This might sound like a stupid question but whats the end-game/the point of all of this immigration?
Surely if you want to help you'd want to rebuild the failing countries so people don't have to move in the first place.
All people in the warm climates come to the cold ones. Followed by the indigenous colds going to the warm places. And we start again for 1,000 years. It's like AirBnB on a global scale Surely if you want to help you'd want to rebuild the failing countries so people don't have to move in the first place.
TheDrBrian said:
This might sound like a stupid question but whats the end-game/the point of all of this immigration?
Surely if you want to help you'd want to rebuild the failing countries so people don't have to move in the first place.
An aging indigenous population that is going to become a heavy tax burden and lower birth rates mean immigration (in theory) is required to help generate tax revenue to support this. Of course, it isn’t quite working out like that.Surely if you want to help you'd want to rebuild the failing countries so people don't have to move in the first place.
Several men started masking up and following us. Police told us to leave and had to escort us to our car.
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Randy Winkman said:
steveT350C said:
Mothersruin said:
More often than not, I agree with Katie Hopkins.
She is live from Rinkeby on LBC at 7:45pmRandy Winkman said:
She doesn't give a f**k about women in Sweden. All she cares about is hating muslims. And I speak as someone with family in a working class Stockholm suburb.
In what suburb, if you don't mind me asking? Nothing wrong with most of the working class suburbs, it's the 50+ trouble ones that are a huge issue.Finlandia said:
Randy Winkman said:
She doesn't give a f**k about women in Sweden. All she cares about is hating muslims. And I speak as someone with family in a working class Stockholm suburb.
In what suburb, if you don't mind me asking? Nothing wrong with most of the working class suburbs, it's the 50+ trouble ones that are a huge issue.Mothersruin said:
Shame these old people didn't pay tax when they were younger to pay for all this...
They didn't pay enough. Or rather they paid on the assumption that we would have continuous economic and population growth, but they didn't have enough children. And when the birth rate fell they carried on spending.
This has been coming for decades. Birth rates fell in the 1960s and remained below replacement rate ever since.
Despite certain half hearted attempts to increase this the bloated public sector and ever needy electorate found it better to import more people. While environmentalists and intellectuals screamed that over population was the biggest threat.
The churches who traditionally supported population growth have lost their influence and tamed their opposition to abortion, contraception, divorce and the other things which have contributed to the decline in birth rates.
Having children is expensive. They need healthcare and education. Mothers tend to take time off and so pay less tax, and citizens are entitled entitled to use the welfare state.
It's easy to see how a ready made army of migrants seems like the answer.
The alternative would be to tell voters that we are going to face decades of near zero growth, flat or falling house prices, rising taxes and cuts in spending. When the other party says we just need tobe a bit more compassionate to all these doctors and engineers and we can carry on as before, who will win the election?
Randy Winkman said:
Finlandia said:
Randy Winkman said:
She doesn't give a f**k about women in Sweden. All she cares about is hating muslims. And I speak as someone with family in a working class Stockholm suburb.
In what suburb, if you don't mind me asking? Nothing wrong with most of the working class suburbs, it's the 50+ trouble ones that are a huge issue.The trouble areas in Stockholm are the Southern and North-Northwestern suburbs, with a special mention to Rinkeby and Husby. These suburbs are the ones with the highest unemployment and the lowest education, and also the highest percentage of immigrants from Middle East and Northern Africa.
Finlandia said:
Randy Winkman said:
Finlandia said:
Randy Winkman said:
She doesn't give a f**k about women in Sweden. All she cares about is hating muslims. And I speak as someone with family in a working class Stockholm suburb.
In what suburb, if you don't mind me asking? Nothing wrong with most of the working class suburbs, it's the 50+ trouble ones that are a huge issue.The trouble areas in Stockholm are the Southern and North-Northwestern suburbs, with a special mention to Rinkeby and Husby. These suburbs are the ones with the highest unemployment and the lowest education, and also the highest percentage of immigrants from Middle East and Northern Africa.
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