Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?
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Sweden brings back military service: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-military-...
Finlandia said:
Several men started masking up and following us. Police told us to leave and had to escort us to our car.
http://www.thelocal.se/20170301/police-told-me-to-...
Yep well that story has now been updated as the police are saying that was not what happened.http://www.thelocal.se/20170301/police-told-me-to-...
SKP555 said:
They didn't pay enough.
Or rather they paid on the assumption that we would have continuous economic and population growth, but they didn't have enough children. And when the birth rate fell they carried on spending.
This has been coming for decades. Birth rates fell in the 1960s and remained below replacement rate ever since.
Despite certain half hearted attempts to increase this the bloated public sector and ever needy electorate found it better to import more people. While environmentalists and intellectuals screamed that over population was the biggest threat.
The churches who traditionally supported population growth have lost their influence and tamed their opposition to abortion, contraception, divorce and the other things which have contributed to the decline in birth rates.
Having children is expensive. They need healthcare and education. Mothers tend to take time off and so pay less tax, and citizens are entitled entitled to use the welfare state.
It's easy to see how a ready made army of migrants seems like the answer.
The alternative would be to tell voters that we are going to face decades of near zero growth, flat or falling house prices, rising taxes and cuts in spending. When the other party says we just need tobe a bit more compassionate to all these doctors and engineers and we can carry on as before, who will win the election?
By all means import people - run an immigration policy along the lines of Australia or New Zealand and get people in that you actually need and who will benefit your society and economy.Or rather they paid on the assumption that we would have continuous economic and population growth, but they didn't have enough children. And when the birth rate fell they carried on spending.
This has been coming for decades. Birth rates fell in the 1960s and remained below replacement rate ever since.
Despite certain half hearted attempts to increase this the bloated public sector and ever needy electorate found it better to import more people. While environmentalists and intellectuals screamed that over population was the biggest threat.
The churches who traditionally supported population growth have lost their influence and tamed their opposition to abortion, contraception, divorce and the other things which have contributed to the decline in birth rates.
Having children is expensive. They need healthcare and education. Mothers tend to take time off and so pay less tax, and citizens are entitled entitled to use the welfare state.
It's easy to see how a ready made army of migrants seems like the answer.
The alternative would be to tell voters that we are going to face decades of near zero growth, flat or falling house prices, rising taxes and cuts in spending. When the other party says we just need tobe a bit more compassionate to all these doctors and engineers and we can carry on as before, who will win the election?
Allowing loads of random asylum seekers and opportunists in search of the most generous welfare systems however is not going to address any economic issues - it just makes them worse as well as wrecking society generally.
Lucas Ayde said:
By all means import people - run an immigration policy along the lines of Australia or New Zealand and get people in that you actually need and who will benefit your society and economy.
Allowing loads of random asylum seekers and opportunists in search of the most generous welfare systems however is not going to address any economic issues - it just makes them worse as well as wrecking society generally.
You don't need to tell me. It is an insane policy.Allowing loads of random asylum seekers and opportunists in search of the most generous welfare systems however is not going to address any economic issues - it just makes them worse as well as wrecking society generally.
Oceanic said:
Finlandia said:
Several men started masking up and following us. Police told us to leave and had to escort us to our car.
http://www.thelocal.se/20170301/police-told-me-to-...
Yep well that story has now been updated as the police are saying that was not what happened.http://www.thelocal.se/20170301/police-told-me-to-...
'"Our understanding is that he didn't receive an escort. However, he followed the police who left the place," Stockholm police press spokesperson Kjell Lindgren told The Local.'
'Frida Nordlöf, a police officer in the Järva district, also told regional Stockholm newspaper Mitt i that Pool and his colleague had not been escorted out of the area by police.
"We had extra officers on the ground because of a poetry evening in Rinkeby with a lot of visitors. When Tim Pool took out a camera and started filming a group of young people they pulled their hoods up and covered their faces and shouted at him to stop filming. The officers then told Tim Pool that it was not wise to stay there in the middle of the square and keep filming," she said.
"Then the patrol was going to Rinkeby Academy and that's where Pool's team had parked their car so it was more out of coincidence that they followed each other there."'
Not that much different really, escorted out or followed the police out, the reason for it remains the same.
SKP555 said:
You don't need to tell me. It is an insane policy.
I know, I was reacting to the fact that it's used to justify mass, unregulated immigration all the time and never challenged by anyone in the mainstream media other than a few designated 'crank' opinion piece writers (that are allowed in order to give the impression of some sort of balance).If you have a prosperous, civilised country, you'll have absolutely no problems attracting the skilled people you need from less prosperous/attractive parts of the world via a proper immigration system with work/residence permits and a path to citizenship if you keep your nose clean over a longer period and integrate.
SGirl said:
Finlandia said:
"We had extra officers on the ground because of a poetry evening"
How incredibly Swedish. 
Mealy mouthed explanation from the rozzers doesn't cut it. There was above normal police presence, regardless of reason, guy starts filming or is thought to be filming, police immediately advised him to leave, presumably for his own safety. Those police who were there in extra numbers remember.
What's that smell? Anyone else smell bull effluent?
Lucas Ayde said:
I know, I was reacting to the fact that it's used to justify mass, unregulated immigration all the time and never challenged by anyone in the mainstream media other than a few designated 'crank' opinion piece writers (that are allowed in order to give the impression of some sort of balance).
If you have a prosperous, civilised country, you'll have absolutely no problems attracting the skilled people you need from less prosperous/attractive parts of the world via a proper immigration system with work/residence permits and a path to citizenship if you keep your nose clean over a longer period and integrate.
The insanity of the 2015 more or less unregulated onslaught of "refugees" has come to an end now, it's much harder to get into the country now thankfully, alot of damage has been done but actions are being taken, not enough actions mind but it's still better than in 2015.If you have a prosperous, civilised country, you'll have absolutely no problems attracting the skilled people you need from less prosperous/attractive parts of the world via a proper immigration system with work/residence permits and a path to citizenship if you keep your nose clean over a longer period and integrate.
As a Swede and as a taxpayer it's really staggering that our elected officials act in such blatant disregard for their own country.
It's such a slap in the face of all the insanely hard working people that made Sweden go from one of the poorest countries in Europe in the early 1900's to one of the worlds richest by the 1970's. Not to mention one of the most equal, and now we happily import men, no girls mind you, with a mindset equal that of a f
king cro-magnon. The police needs a MASSIVE boost of man power and pretty much all of our politicians should be shot for treason. We're part of the EU for a lot of reasons, one isn't to be, together with Germany one of only two countries that accept "refugees" in such numbers.
However, it's not nearly as bad as it's being portrayed abroad, some areas are abyssmal but in general I feel safe. Malmö and parts of Stockholm and to some extent Gothenburg is no-go zones for me anyway.
Edited by PowerslideSWE on Thursday 2nd March 18:54
Looks like Sweden may have an issue with a rise in sexual offences, the 2016 stat, I think, show an increase from 2015, but I've only seen prelim reports so can't be sure. Rapes unfortunately increased 20% from 2015 to 2016, back to the same level as 2014.
The rate per 100,000 shows a similar track.
wsurfa said:
Looks like Sweden may have an issue with a rise in sexual offences, the 2016 stat, I think, show an increase from 2015, but I've only seen prelim reports so can't be sure. Rapes unfortunately increased 20% from 2015 to 2016, back to the same level as 2014.
The rate per 100,000 shows a similar track.
Which would be a decent excuse if they didn't ALWAYS record rape cases like this.
Rich_W said:
It's funny (well not really) when you get the apologists saying "ah yes, but the way they record rape in Sweden is different" (essentially all accusations are recorded as a crime, regardless of conviction)
Which would be a decent excuse if they didn't ALWAYS record rape cases like this.
Wiki says to the contrary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden Though I've no idea what the Daily Mail says.Which would be a decent excuse if they didn't ALWAYS record rape cases like this.
Rich_W said:
wsurfa said:
Looks like Sweden may have an issue with a rise in sexual offences, the 2016 stat, I think, show an increase from 2015, but I've only seen prelim reports so can't be sure. Rapes unfortunately increased 20% from 2015 to 2016, back to the same level as 2014.
The rate per 100,000 shows a similar track.
Which would be a decent excuse if they didn't ALWAYS record rape cases like this.
Randy Winkman said:
Rich_W said:
It's funny (well not really) when you get the apologists saying "ah yes, but the way they record rape in Sweden is different" (essentially all accusations are recorded as a crime, regardless of conviction)
Which would be a decent excuse if they didn't ALWAYS record rape cases like this.
Wiki says to the contrary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden Though I've no idea what the Daily Mail says.Which would be a decent excuse if they didn't ALWAYS record rape cases like this.
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