Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[rodericb]

Randy Winkman said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Getragdogleg said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Of course, it's all the far rights fault. Definitely not scumbags looking for an excuse to riot for 3 days and burn out hundreds of police vehicles

Everyone knows that particular culture are prone to getting uppity so why poke them by giving them a reason to play up?

They are pandered to the rest of the time because of this sort of thing.

Does that make the rioting ok then?

I think the rioting is definitely not OK.

But burning of books normally gets quite a bad press on PH. Do you like the idea of burning books because you don't like what's in them?

You could burn a bunch of bibles, post the pictures on here and a lot of posters here would be gleefully creaming their jeans over it.

[speedy_thrills]

rodericb said:

You could burn a bunch of bibles, post the pictures on here and a lot of posters here would be gleefully creaming their jeans over it.

I have some Haynes manuals somewhere...
...I'm joking, I'm joking!

People can burn all the books, flags, French cars etc. they want as long as they purchased them with their own money and clean up afterwards.

[Countdown]

speedy_thrills said:

I have some Haynes manuals somewhere...
...I'm joking, I'm joking!

People can burn all the books, flags, French cars etc. they want as long as they purchased them with their own money and clean up afterwards.

You appear to be taking a fairly liberal "equal opportunities" point of view. However some people can be quite hypocritical in that "We should have the freedom to burn X in a free democratic society but burning Y is completely wrong".

For example how many people would say it was OK to burn the Union Flag at a memorial day service? It's not any fundamental expression of liberty or freedom or whatever. It's a loathsome gesture designed to cause offence and provoke a reaction.

[Donbot]

I know it's not directed at me, but people would shirley get in trouble burning anything in public.

If someone wants to burn the flag in their garden as protest then why not. Bit sad though.

[speedy_thrills]

Countdown said:

speedy_thrills said:

I have some Haynes manuals somewhere...
...I'm joking, I'm joking!

People can burn all the books, flags, French cars etc. they want as long as they purchased them with their own money and clean up afterwards.

You appear to be taking a fairly liberal "equal opportunities" point of view. However some people can be quite hypocritical in that "We should have the freedom to burn X in a free democratic society but burning Y is completely wrong".

For example how many people would say it was OK to burn the Union Flag at a memorial day service? It's not any fundamental expression of liberty or freedom or whatever. It's a loathsome gesture designed to cause offence and provoke a reaction.

People are entitled to be offended and even bemoan or protest if they like. I appreciate others have different views and liberal societies are probably not the best choice for them. Equally people who enjoy skiing probably shouldn't move to Australia.

[rodericb]

speedy_thrills said:

People are entitled to be offended and even bemoan or protest if they like. I appreciate others have different views and liberal societies are probably not the best choice for them. Equally people who enjoy skiing probably shouldn't move to Australia.

Oi, we've got skiing here and not just that of the water. Yes - we have snow! Provided there's no speed cameras along the way, you could snow ski, water ski and surf in the same day!

[longblackcoat]

Getragdogleg said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Of course, it's all the far rights fault. Definitely not scumbags looking for an excuse to riot for 3 days and burn out hundreds of police vehicles

Everyone knows that particular culture are prone to getting uppity so why poke them by giving them a reason to play up?

They are pandered to the rest of the time because of this sort of thing.

Why, that was spoken just like a Klansman. Well done on the racist dogwhistling.

[Getragdogleg]

longblackcoat said:

Why, that was spoken just like a Klansman. Well done on the racist dogwhistling.

like all good stereotypes it's accurate though isn't it?

Don't want to be labelled, don't riot and burn stuff if you don't like something. I manage to not riot, loot, burn or otherwise be a pain in the arse, it's not hard.

I get annoyed if someone does something negative to deliberately provoke me but not on the scale this mob are.

[Randy Winkman]

I'm sure some lefties got slagged off on PH for burning books about 6 months ago. Cant remember the details though.

[rodericb]

Burning copies of To Kill a Mockingbird wasn't it?

[longblackcoat]

Getragdogleg said:

longblackcoat said:

Why, that was spoken just like a Klansman. Well done on the racist dogwhistling.

like all good stereotypes it's accurate though isn't it?

Don't want to be labelled, don't riot and burn stuff if you don't like something. I manage to not riot, loot, burn or otherwise be a pain in the arse, it's not hard.

I get annoyed if someone does something negative to deliberately provoke me but not on the scale this mob are.

I was commenting specifically on the use of the word "uppity" - if you didn't know (and I'll pay you the courtesy of assuming you didn't) that's a very dogwhistle-y word used by White Nationalists and the like to refer to people of colour. You know - 'them' not 'us', etc etc.

It doesn't help your argument to use such words. Up to you if you do, obviously.

[Jazzy Jag]

longblackcoat said:

Getragdogleg said:

longblackcoat said:

Why, that was spoken just like a Klansman. Well done on the racist dogwhistling.

like all good stereotypes it's accurate though isn't it?

Don't want to be labelled, don't riot and burn stuff if you don't like something. I manage to not riot, loot, burn or otherwise be a pain in the arse, it's not hard.

I get annoyed if someone does something negative to deliberately provoke me but not on the scale this mob are.

I was commenting specifically on the use of the word "uppity" - if you didn't know (and I'll pay you the courtesy of assuming you didn't) that's a very dogwhistle-y word used by White Nationalists and the like to refer to people of colour. You know - 'them' not 'us', etc etc.

It doesn't help your argument to use such words. Up to you if you do, obviously.

uppity
/ˈʌpɪti/
Learn to pronounce
adjectiveINFORMAL
adjective: uppity
self-important; arrogant.
"an uppity MP and his lady wife"
Origin

late 19th century: a fanciful formation from up.


FFS

How far out of your way are you prepared to go to take offense on someone else's behalf?

[longblackcoat]

Jazzy Jag said:

longblackcoat said:

Getragdogleg said:

longblackcoat said:

Why, that was spoken just like a Klansman. Well done on the racist dogwhistling.

like all good stereotypes it's accurate though isn't it?

Don't want to be labelled, don't riot and burn stuff if you don't like something. I manage to not riot, loot, burn or otherwise be a pain in the arse, it's not hard.

I get annoyed if someone does something negative to deliberately provoke me but not on the scale this mob are.

I was commenting specifically on the use of the word "uppity" - if you didn't know (and I'll pay you the courtesy of assuming you didn't) that's a very dogwhistle-y word used by White Nationalists and the like to refer to people of colour. You know - 'them' not 'us', etc etc.

It doesn't help your argument to use such words. Up to you if you do, obviously.

uppity
/??p?ti/
Learn to pronounce
adjectiveINFORMAL
adjective: uppity
self-important; arrogant.
"an uppity MP and his lady wife"
Origin

late 19th century: a fanciful formation from up.


FFS

How far out of your way are you prepared to go to take offense on someone else's behalf?

What, in the same way as you're taking up cudgels on behalf of someone else?

In the meantime, try Googling a bit harder. Yes, 'uppity' had that original meaning; nowadays it's used almost exclusively as a pejorative towards African Americans. You don't have to like what I've posted - and really, I will lose zero sleep either way - but you can't say that it's not been pointed out how the word is used in the 21st Century.

[NRS]

longblackcoat said:

What, in the same way as you're taking up cudgels on behalf of someone else?

In the meantime, try Googling a bit harder. Yes, 'uppity' had that original meaning; nowadays it's used almost exclusively as a pejorative towards African Americans. You don't have to like what I've posted - and really, I will lose zero sleep either way - but you can't say that it's not been pointed out how the word is used in the 21st Century.

I’ve never heard of it being used that way before, and am reasonably young and would think reasonably in touch with general 21st Century culture.

[scenario8]

NRS said:

I’ve never heard of it being used that way before, and am reasonably young and would think reasonably in touch with general 21st Century culture.

Same here. Never heard of the word uppity being anything other than meaning self important or arrogant and the like.

[Dog Star]

NRS said:

I’ve never heard of it being used that way before, and am reasonably young and would think reasonably in touch with general 21st Century culture.

Me neither.

[longblackcoat]

Dog Star said:

NRS said:

I’ve never heard of it being used that way before, and am reasonably young and would think reasonably in touch with general 21st Century culture.

Me neither.

So every day's a school day. Glad I could help.

[dudleybloke]

longblackcoat said:

So every day's a school day. Glad I could help.

Its only used racistly in the great old USA.
Outside of there it's just a phrase.
Anyone who uses the term "dogwhistle" usually isn't worth arguing with as their mind is already set.

[Getragdogleg]

dudleybloke said:

longblackcoat said:

So every day's a school day. Glad I could help.

Its only used racistly in the great old USA.
Outside of there it's just a phrase.
Anyone who uses the term "dogwhistle" usually isn't worth arguing with as their mind is already set.

The rest of the world exists outside the USA, I am not from the USA, my use of the word uppity is not the USA use of the word. It just means playing up/causing a fuss/being a pest, several other posters in this thread seem to agree.

The creep of US culture is bad enough without them grabbing words, assigning a US specific unfavourable meaning, and then policing their use. I'll carry on as I was thanks.

We even have children's books...

https://www.waterstones.com/book/mr-uppity/roger-h...

Edited by Getragdogleg on Tuesday 19th April 23:07

[Getragdogleg]

longblackcoat said:

In the meantime, try Googling a bit harder. Yes, 'uppity' had that original meaning; nowadays it's used almost exclusively as a pejorative towards African Americans.

I cant believe the term "African Americans" is still a thing, surely they are just Americans ? Isn't that what were trying to get to, everyone equal, no one better than anyone else ?

The label and special treatment of groups as "different" or "special" doesn't help them. you end up with the problems we are seeing discussed in this thread.

Multi culturalism only works if there is integration.