Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[hidetheelephants]

rscott said:

DeejRC said:

Sweden has been catastrophically dull this week. Boris arrived and nobody even swore or took the piss about him, let alone any stabby stabby short boom boom.

Was in Gothenburg yesterday, catching up with my colleagues there for the first time since Covid.

Their only comment on him was along the lines of "oh my god, did you see Boris in that boat. How silly did he look".

He did look like a twit rowing a boat in a suit and dress shoes, but he looks like a twit most of the time; I was amused by his devil-may-care attitude to LSA compared to the Swedish PM wearing her lifejacket.

[DeejRC]

Back in Blighty. I knew I was back in Blighty because I stopped feeling relaxed and pondering on the zen ability of Volvo.
I saw the first Heathrow cop within 1m of leaving the plane, gun pretty much levelled at us waiting to play CoD. Swedish airport cops just look down at you from 8ft high and have a permanent face mask of: Guns for show, dbl headed fking battle axe for a pro!

If there is any kind of social crisis going on, it seems nobody remembered to tell the Swedes. The place looked and felt and acted, in both GOT and STO, as the dullest, more bored and stable place in the world.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Swedens rape crisis which is largely kept hush. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC83307...

[g3org3y]

Looks like results of the Swedish election very close with the far right Sweden Democrat party gaining a lot more votes than expected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swed...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedes-head-p...

[105.4]

g3org3y said:

Looks like results of the Swedish election very close with the far right Sweden Democrat party gaining a lot more votes than expected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/11/swed...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedes-head-p...

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

[g3org3y]

105.4 said:

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

That's how it's been reported. Just using the terminology from the articles.

[105.4]

g3org3y said:

105.4 said:

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

That's how it's been reported. Just using the terminology from the articles.

Then perhaps don’t. Just because certain news outlets are parroting a lie, it doesn’t mean you have to naively follow suit.

Pretty much everything is labelled as “far-right” these days, when in actual fact, most things that are classed as such, are in fact, not.

[monthou]

105.4 said:

g3org3y said:

105.4 said:

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

That's how it's been reported. Just using the terminology from the articles.

Then perhaps don’t. Just because certain news outlets are parroting a lie, it doesn’t mean you have to naively follow suit.

Pretty much everything is labelled as “far-right” these days, when in actual fact, most things that are classed as such, are in fact, not.

From The Times (well known purveyor of left-wing propaganda) a couple of weeks ago:

TheTimes said:

the Sweden Democrats party was founded {in 1988} as the political wing of a hard-right organisation called Bevara Sverige Svenskt (Keep Sweden Swedish), roughly comparable to the British National Front.

True or not?

[rovermorris999]

True but very much changed since then.

[Carl_Manchester]

The left have conceded defeat. They need to own the defeat and *sic* change their approach. They won't of course and that's a sad fact of life in 2022.

[105.4]

monthou said:

105.4 said:

g3org3y said:

105.4 said:

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

That's how it's been reported. Just using the terminology from the articles.

Then perhaps don’t. Just because certain news outlets are parroting a lie, it doesn’t mean you have to naively follow suit.

Pretty much everything is labelled as “far-right” these days, when in actual fact, most things that are classed as such, are in fact, not.

From The Times (well known purveyor of left-wing propaganda) a couple of weeks ago:

TheTimes said:

the Sweden Democrats party was founded {in 1988} as the political wing of a hard-right organisation called Bevara Sverige Svenskt (Keep Sweden Swedish), roughly comparable to the British National Front.

True or not?

Just because The Times are guilty of sloppy reporting, it doesn’t mean that they are correct.

[Vanden Saab]

105.4 said:

monthou said:

105.4 said:

g3org3y said:

105.4 said:

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

That's how it's been reported. Just using the terminology from the articles.

Then perhaps don’t. Just because certain news outlets are parroting a lie, it doesn’t mean you have to naively follow suit.

Pretty much everything is labelled as “far-right” these days, when in actual fact, most things that are classed as such, are in fact, not.

From The Times (well known purveyor of left-wing propaganda) a couple of weeks ago:

TheTimes said:

the Sweden Democrats party was founded {in 1988} as the political wing of a hard-right organisation called Bevara Sverige Svenskt (Keep Sweden Swedish), roughly comparable to the British National Front.

True or not?

Just because The Times are guilty of sloppy reporting, it doesn’t mean that they are correct.

Technically they are correct in much the same way that the Labour party has its roots in the Manhood Suffrage League.

[monthou]

105.4 said:

monthou said:

105.4 said:

g3org3y said:

105.4 said:

What exactly is it that makes the Swedish Democrats a “far-right” extremist party in your opinion?

I can’t see anything here that comes even remotely close to being “far-right” ?
https://sd.se/english/

That's how it's been reported. Just using the terminology from the articles.

Then perhaps don’t. Just because certain news outlets are parroting a lie, it doesn’t mean you have to naively follow suit.

Pretty much everything is labelled as “far-right” these days, when in actual fact, most things that are classed as such, are in fact, not.

From The Times (well known purveyor of left-wing propaganda) a couple of weeks ago:

TheTimes said:

the Sweden Democrats party was founded {in 1988} as the political wing of a hard-right organisation called Bevara Sverige Svenskt (Keep Sweden Swedish), roughly comparable to the British National Front.

True or not?

Just because The Times are guilty of sloppy reporting, it doesn’t mean that they are correct.

That isn't an answer.

[Bright Halo]

Sweden will be Sweden will be Sweden.
Doesn’t matter who gets in nothing will change.

[rovermorris999]

Bright Halo said:

Sweden will be Sweden will be Sweden.
Doesn’t matter who gets in nothing will change.

This guy pretty much agrees with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T22AKiglOW8&ab...

[Randy Winkman]

rovermorris999 said:

Bright Halo said:

Sweden will be Sweden will be Sweden.
Doesn’t matter who gets in nothing will change.

This guy pretty much agrees with that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T22AKiglOW8&ab...

I'm no expert but I do have family in Sweden and have been going there once or sometimes twice a year for 30 years. To me that video does seem well considered. How will the new "coalition" be made to work effectively?

And was the bit right about asylum criteria including religion, gender and sexual identity? That sounds "far-right" to me.

[DeejRC]

So being only a sporadic visitor to Sweden, with respect to the posts above mine: what is the difference between Keep Sweden Swedish and Sweden will be Sweden will be Sweden, nothing ever changes ?

The place seems blonde and dull on my visits.

[Type R Tom]

Surveys like this really don't help. 79% of refugees in Sweden have gone on holiday back to their place of birth.

https://bulletin.nu/bulletin-novus-nio-av-tio-utri...

I do wonder what people will make of the election result here, Sweden was often held up as an example of everything done correctly, from immigration to gender.

It seems like many in the country have had enough or are 1 in 5 Swedish basically a "nazi". I don't know.

[105.4]

Type R Tom said:

Surveys like this really don't help. 79% of refugees in Sweden have gone on holiday back to their place of birth.

https://bulletin.nu/bulletin-novus-nio-av-tio-utri...

I do wonder what people will make of the election result here, Sweden was often held up as an example of everything done correctly, from immigration to gender.

It seems like many in the country have had enough or are 1 in 5 Swedish basically a "nazi". I don't know.

I think it can be safe to say that if the last 150 pages of this thread has taught us anything, it’s that immigration in Sweden certainly hasn’t been done “correctly”.

A point which many Swedes now seemingly agree with.

[FiF]

105.4 said:

Type R Tom said:

Surveys like this really don't help. 79% of refugees in Sweden have gone on holiday back to their place of birth.

https://bulletin.nu/bulletin-novus-nio-av-tio-utri...

I do wonder what people will make of the election result here, Sweden was often held up as an example of everything done correctly, from immigration to gender.

It seems like many in the country have had enough or are 1 in 5 Swedish basically a "nazi". I don't know.

I think it can be safe to say that if the last 150 pages of this thread has taught us anything, it’s that immigration in Sweden certainly hasn’t been done “correctly”.

A point which many Swedes now seemingly agree with.

It's always been a bit suspect under the surface if folks are honest. Thick end of 30 years back there were undercurrents locally to me then about Dutch families buying up lakeside summer cottages. The thick locals seemed to think a UK registered Volvo was Dutch, perhaps because of the yellow number plate, still it's foreign innit, thus 4 tyres slashed.

What's wrong with people?