Can we talk about Sweden for a bit?

[Looket]

Looket said:

According to Rebecca Uvell, an actual proper journalist that still takes pride in doing her job, the National Board of Housing, Building and Planning published a largely unnoticed report in March regarding immigration, the housing shortage and the massively over-crowded asylum centres.

If you're not familiar with the Swedish rental market, all you need to know is that it's heavily controlled. Most parents register their children with various private and communal housing queues as soon as they're born in order for them to have any kind of chance of moving away from home in the distant future. To get an apartment in Stockholm you need decades worth of accumulated queue time - and even then you're lucky to get a box room in a distant sthole of a suburb. The private sector is, for all intents and purposes, non-existent. Contracts are either traded on the black market for ridiculous money (you're essentially... buying a rental) or swapped for brick and mortar. Want my £400/PCM Zone 1 apartment? Fine, I'll swap it for your £400.000 house.

Anyway, in their report they recommend that all available rentals be required by law to register with one single council-controlled housing queue. And that 'factors other than queue time' be the deciding factor in who gets first dibs on any given apartment. In other words, all rental apartments are to be allocated to immigrants. Due to legal reasons however they acknowledge that while forcing landlords to ultimately surrender their property rights may be difficult, they can be prosecuted for discrimination if they refuse to let their apartment to whomever the council send their way.

I wouldn't be surprised if all this actually came to be. Mehmet Kaplan, Minister of Housing for the Green Party is a known mentalist (clue is in his name and party affiliation).

All I can say is that I'm glad to be leaving this madhouse behind very shortly.


http://www.uvell.se/2015/09/12/socialisering-28327...

EDIT: This is Mehmet Kaplan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Kaplan

Edited by Looket on Tuesday 15th September 16:21

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand... hey presto!

Well, almost anyway. The council-owned housing association of Örebro, with a market share of a whopping 70%, is voluntarily considering offering out atleast 10% of their housing stock to immigrants. They, along with private landlords (who are also very keen on the idea) 'want to take responsibility'. Örebro is a popular university town with a population of about 140,000 and like everywhere else suffers from a chronic lack of rented accommodation.

When asked what the public may think about it, the CEO said:
- 'I'm sure we'll receive some criticism for this. Maybe some people who have been queueing for 20 years will see "their" apartments given away, but to that I say that you just have to take it [on the chin]'.

Meanwhile, 'asylum barons' make fortunes from charging the government exorbitant fees for housing immigrants. It was recently revealed that the daily cost of food at a particular refugee centre is £45/head. By comparison, the food served in schools costs 80p. The US has its military complex, we have... our asylum industry - now funded by increasing the sovereign debt. Great success!

It's totally and utterly perverse. My younger brother is 23, has worked since the day he left school, earns £30k/year and has an even larger deposit yet still has to live at home. His girlfriend is studying to become a nurse and all they want is to start a life together. He also just had his Crohn's diagnosis reversed for the fourth time in as many months so will now have to go private to find out whether or not a colostomy bag is on the cards. Luckily my parents will be able to foot the bill but I can't even begin to imagine what his situation would have looked like without all of their assistance. Then I remember that all things considered he's incredibly fortunate and the realisation that our entire generation - and by extension, the country - is completely fked starts rearing its ugly head. It's bloody criminal.

[v8250]

I feel for the Swedes and the rapid destruction being seen of their national standards and once super strong economy; the immigrant and Muslim effect being nigh-on devastating. It's about time Sweden, for her own protection, leaves the EU.

[dudleybloke]

Why isn't it illegal to discriminate against sweeds?

Could make an interesting legal challenge.

[BrabusMog]

What Looket is describing, whilst harsh, is similar to someone in London on 30k not being able to rent an apartment exactly where they want to. You can still go private. People in the UK also have to sit on a huge waiting list for a council property. It's not a problem unique to Sweden.

I don't think it's right that immigrants get to jump the queue here, or in the UK, but there are alternatives if someone really wants their own place.

Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 15th December 10:10

[Weary of internet morons]

v8250 said:

I feel for the Swedes and the rapid destruction being seen of their national standards and once super strong economy; the immigrant and Muslim effect being nigh-on devastating. It's about time Sweden, for her own protection, leaves the EU.

My ancestry is part Swedish and I have family there, even used to wonder about retiring to Sweden before this rapid change over the last decade or so. I've heard from 'native' Swedes that they just can't believe what is happening to them and feel entirely powerless against the 'ruling elite - a cadre of self-righteous and self-important fools so left wing they make Corbyn look like Donald Trump. It does make one wonder where this will lead and what Sweden will be like in 10, 20 or 30 years. That's my retirement plan changed.

[Finlandia]

BrabusMog said:

What Looket is describing, whilst harsh, is similar to someone in London on 30k not being able to rent an apartment exactly where they want to. You can still go private. People in the UK also have to sit on a huge waiting list for a council property. It's not a problem unique to Sweden.

I don't think it's right that immigrants get to jump the queue here, or in the UK, but there are alternatives if someone really wants their own place.

Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 15th December 10:10

In the town where I live the new builds attract such prices that you cannot afford them on a normal wage, and the older/cheaper housings are rapidly being rebuilt to high/luxury standards, with an accompanying price tag.

[FiF]

Weary of internet morons said:

v8250 said:

I feel for the Swedes and the rapid destruction being seen of their national standards and once super strong economy; the immigrant and Muslim effect being nigh-on devastating. It's about time Sweden, for her own protection, leaves the EU.

My ancestry is part Swedish and I have family there, even used to wonder about retiring to Sweden before this rapid change over the last decade or so. I've heard from 'native' Swedes that they just can't believe what is happening to them and feel entirely powerless against the 'ruling elite - a cadre of self-righteous and self-important fools so left wing they make Corbyn look like Donald Trump. It does make one wonder where this will lead and what Sweden will be like in 10, 20 or 30 years. That's my retirement plan changed.

Me too, even had property sorted while working over there. Everything sold and voted with feet.

[loafer123]

I have spent a fair amount of time in Sweden on business and I very much enjoyed my time there.

It makes me very sad that the cult of political correctness means the destruction of the Swedish culture.

It isn't that the Swedes shouldn't be generous - that is in the nations culture - but that generosity is being taken advantage of with permanent consequences.

[BrabusMog]

Finlandia said:

In the town where I live the new builds attract such prices that you cannot afford them on a normal wage, and the older/cheaper housings are rapidly being rebuilt to high/luxury standards, with an accompanying price tag.

Maybe we're just in a bubble where we are, but a major attraction of Sweden for me was the low cost of housing. My fiances sister is training to be a nurse and she can afford her own studio apartment with just her CSN money and an extra couple of shifts she does at a nursing home each month. Granted, she nearly didn't get on the course, it was just down to hassling the right people and there are several immigrants on her course that apparently couldn't care less about it.

I don't know anyone in London or any major UK town/city that could afford a place on their own whilst a student, unless their parents were paying.

[Weary of internet morons]

BrabusMog said:

Finlandia said:

In the town where I live the new builds attract such prices that you cannot afford them on a normal wage, and the older/cheaper housings are rapidly being rebuilt to high/luxury standards, with an accompanying price tag.

Maybe we're just in a bubble where we are, but a major attraction of Sweden for me was the low cost of housing. My fiances sister is training to be a nurse and she can afford her own studio apartment with just her CSN money and an extra couple of shifts she does at a nursing home each month. Granted, she nearly didn't get on the course, it was just down to hassling the right people and there are several immigrants on her course that apparently couldn't care less about it.

I don't know anyone in London or any major UK town/city that could afford a place on their own whilst a student, unless their parents were paying.

My cousin is a teacher and has struggled greatly to get an apartment in Stockholm. Though that was also the case a decade or so ago, big city economics.

[Beati Dogu]

Weary of internet morons said:

My ancestry is part Swedish and I have family there, even used to wonder about retiring to Sweden before this rapid change over the last decade or so. I've heard from 'native' Swedes that they just can't believe what is happening to them and feel entirely powerless against the 'ruling elite - a cadre of self-righteous and self-important fools so left wing they make Corbyn look like Donald Trump. It does make one wonder where this will lead and what Sweden will be like in 10, 20 or 30 years. That's my retirement plan changed.

It's probably too late now, but Swedes need to stop being so cowardly and get all Brevik on their arses. Sweden's future will be one of conflict anyway, just like the the rest of Europe.

[irocfan]

Beati Dogu said:

It's probably too late now, but Swedes need to stop being so cowardly and get all Brevik on their arses. Sweden's future will be one of conflict anyway, just like the the rest of Europe.

And then moronic posts like this appear

[Axionknight]

irocfan said:

Beati Dogu said:

It's probably too late now, but Swedes need to stop being so cowardly and get all Brevik on their arses. Sweden's future will be one of conflict anyway, just like the the rest of Europe.

And then moronic posts like this appear

It's a foolish comment without a doubt - but the fact remains that such atrocities being repeated (different country not withstandingg) are very much so the sort of reaction that some nut cases think are appropriate in this kind of situation.

The pot can only simmer unchecked for so long before the lid blows off and something bad happens, and I'm not talking about a few isolated beatings or muggings. If people are angry or desperate for long enough they will turn to violence - fact.

[irocfan]

Axionknight said:

The pot can only simmer unchecked for so long before the lid blows off and something bad happens, and I'm not talking about a few isolated beatings or muggings. If people are angry or desperate for long enough they will turn to violence - fact.

Now this is my fear - and the 'left' seem oblivious to this & the fact that their attitudes could actually cause this

[Oceanic]

My wife is Swedish and in recent months she has said "she doesn't feel safe here" and that she "does not recognise her country anymore" It makes me sad when I hear these things. Sadly, as mentioned above I think it is only just a matter of time until someone does flippout and do something unpleasant.

[FiF]

Axionknight said:

irocfan said:

Beati Dogu said:

It's probably too late now, but Swedes need to stop being so cowardly and get all Brevik on their arses. Sweden's future will be one of conflict anyway, just like the the rest of Europe.

And then moronic posts like this appear

It's a foolish comment without a doubt - but the fact remains that such atrocities being repeated (different country not withstandingg) are very much so the sort of reaction that some nut cases think are appropriate in this kind of situation.

The pot can only simmer unchecked for so long before the lid blows off and something bad happens, and I'm not talking about a few isolated beatings or muggings. If people are angry or desperate for long enough they will turn to violence - fact.

Steady on with talks about simmering pots, Disastrous doesn't need any more excuses to come along and post his empty snipes at folks.

[jshell]

Beati Dogu said:

Swedes need to stop being so cowardly and get all Brevik on their arses.

I've got a colleague here in my office that may want to argue with you over this hideous comment.

[Weary of internet morons]

Oceanic said:

My wife is Swedish and in recent months she has said "she doesn't feel safe here" and that she "does not recognise her country anymore" It makes me sad when I hear these things. Sadly, as mentioned above I think it is only just a matter of time until someone does flippout and do something unpleasant.

That's how some of my family members feel. Like they lost 'their' world and a feeling of security and calm in the blink of an eye.

[Looket]

BrabusMog said:

What Looket is describing, whilst harsh, is similar to someone in London on 30k not being able to rent an apartment exactly where they want to. You can still go private. People in the UK also have to sit on a huge waiting list for a council property. It's not a problem unique to Sweden.

I don't think it's right that immigrants get to jump the queue here, or in the UK, but there are alternatives if someone really wants their own place.

Edited by BrabusMog on Tuesday 15th December 10:10

There are private landlords, yes, but that's missing the point. Show me a city in the UK where 70% of the rental stock is owned by the council; it's clearly not a case of council housing in the British sense of the word. The Swedish rental market is a state monopoly as per the ridiculously extensive welfare state.

I'm glad for your SiL but ask her in five years time and ten moves later whether it's still a great deal. I'll go out on a limb and say she probably doesn't sit on the lease but is either subletting or sub-subletting her studio. Or even renting what is in effect the leaseholder's term of notice. Not great for continuity or starting a family and simply not much of an option if you want to get on in life. It's a bit like Systembolaget running out of booze and people turning to the 'private sector' for some good old fashioned go-blind moonshine. It gets you drunk, afterall.

The point I'm rather clumsily trying to make is that the government has clearly quite spectacularly failed to live up to its promises and filling the void is a veritable jungle of dodgy, half-arsed solutions trying to navigate the bounds of legality. In the meantime hundreds of thousands of people in Stockholm alone are queueing for a proper lease while we all continue to pay through our noses for welfare we receive increasingly less of.

In effect, the people that are supposed to carry society on their shoulders are being systematically bummed into oblivion by saddling them with debts and commitments while preventing them from establishing themselves in life. The current system is so ludicrously overstretched that there is no easy way out, the only two seemingly available options being 1.) a complete abolishment of the welfare state or 2.) an industrial scale repatriation scheme. Neither will be particularly pleasant.


Apologies if the above is a bit... incoherent. Much work and no sleep makes Looket a very poor writer! I'll try again tomorrow.

[Finlandia]

Weary of internet morons said:

BrabusMog said:

Finlandia said:

In the town where I live the new builds attract such prices that you cannot afford them on a normal wage, and the older/cheaper housings are rapidly being rebuilt to high/luxury standards, with an accompanying price tag.

Maybe we're just in a bubble where we are, but a major attraction of Sweden for me was the low cost of housing. My fiances sister is training to be a nurse and she can afford her own studio apartment with just her CSN money and an extra couple of shifts she does at a nursing home each month. Granted, she nearly didn't get on the course, it was just down to hassling the right people and there are several immigrants on her course that apparently couldn't care less about it.

I don't know anyone in London or any major UK town/city that could afford a place on their own whilst a student, unless their parents were paying.

My cousin is a teacher and has struggled greatly to get an apartment in Stockholm. Though that was also the case a decade or so ago, big city economics.

The lack of housing is a issue that has been going on for decades in the bigger cities, but so has open doors immigration, and the results can be seen now.
As an example from my town, a month or so ago a student accommodation (a block of flats), probably like the one your OHs sister is living in, evicted all residents with short notice, it is now used as a refugee centre. Immigration services pay more rent than students, by the looks of it.