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Daily Mail accused of being racist in their reporting about the murder at a refugee centre in Mölndal, among other things.
http://www.expressen.se/gt/ledare/daily-mail-blev-...
http://www.expressen.se/gt/ledare/daily-mail-blev-...
Finlandia said:
Daily Mail accused of being racist in their reporting about the murder at a refugee centre in Mölndal, among other things.
http://www.expressen.se/gt/ledare/daily-mail-blev-...
let's be honest here the daily fail isn't the last word in integrity and they have been known to indulge in sharp practices. That being said when it comes to something like this it does appear that finding out the truth is going to be damn near impossible http://www.expressen.se/gt/ledare/daily-mail-blev-...
irocfan said:
Finlandia said:
Daily Mail accused of being racist in their reporting about the murder at a refugee centre in Mölndal, among other things.
http://www.expressen.se/gt/ledare/daily-mail-blev-...
let's be honest here the daily fail isn't the last word in integrity and they have been known to indulge in sharp practices. That being said when it comes to something like this it does appear that finding out the truth is going to be damn near impossible http://www.expressen.se/gt/ledare/daily-mail-blev-...
On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
Finlandia said:
True, I'm surprised they didn't quote any house prices
On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
Indeed. That Swedish article is a bit of a joke. It just smacks of denial and arse covering. Everybody with a pair of eyes could see the murderer was around 25-30. On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
"It is a language that would never have been used in a Swedish news text, whether for morning newspapers or tabloids."
What a strange point, and just goes to show the contrast of their sensibilities compared to British media.
danllama said:
Finlandia said:
True, I'm surprised they didn't quote any house prices
On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
Indeed. That Swedish article is a bit of a joke. It just smacks of denial and arse covering. Everybody with a pair of eyes could see the murderer was around 25-30. On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
"It is a language that would never have been used in a Swedish news text, whether for morning newspapers or tabloids."
What a strange point, and just goes to show the contrast of their sensibilities compared to British media.
I think enough Swedish people have now grown tired of the censorship of their news.
BrabusMog said:
danllama said:
Finlandia said:
True, I'm surprised they didn't quote any house prices
On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
Indeed. That Swedish article is a bit of a joke. It just smacks of denial and arse covering. Everybody with a pair of eyes could see the murderer was around 25-30. On this occasion though, I find the DM reporting to be far more accurate than the Swedish reporting. The truth hurts at times.
"It is a language that would never have been used in a Swedish news text, whether for morning newspapers or tabloids."
What a strange point, and just goes to show the contrast of their sensibilities compared to British media.
I think enough Swedish people have now grown tired of the censorship of their news.
At any time I actually expected them to have typed Wacist.
Not defending the Mail as some of the stunts pulled are despicable, but that was a real "oh look a squirrel" load of twaddle.
BrabusMog said:
I think enough Swedish people have now grown tired of the censorship of their news.
The number is certainly increasing, and fast. Which is why it's always such a pleasure to read through this thread: https://www.flashback.org/t1946234p1140I experienced first hand an incident in Sweden around 7 or 8 years ago that I still remember vividly
I was with a friend and his pregnant wife, on a long train journey that went through Malmo - we were well ahead of schedule so got off the train for a wander around there for a few hours with the intention of catching a later train onto our destination
As we walked from the train station to the centre of Malmo, we were suddenly conscious of large numbers of people running past us, with scarves over their faces. As we got to the centre, we saw a very small (perhaps 75 people) demonstration, predominantly by the local jewish community. It was very peaceful - without exception every placard talked about things like 'we pray for peace in the Middle East' as opposed to slogans that took sides or made overt political statements. The demonstration was in a small square in front of a public building and from speaking to the local police, we learned that it was pre-organised and approved - I don't know about now but at that time, you needed prior permission before staging any kind of public rally.
Meanwhile on all the immediate surrounding roads, large numbers (many 100s) of Palestinian 'supporters' were gathering. They were very noisy, their placards were incredibly incendiary, their dress was intimidating and they were throwing ever more dangerous objects at the demonstrators, until eventually it was glass bottles and large rocks being thrown. The organised demonstration did not retaliate in any way, verbally or physically, despite the chants of 'death to the jews' and such like
The police arrived in numbers and organised themselves between the two groups. The Palestinian supporters continued to throw objects, now over the police and into the group of Israeli demonstrators. I learned they had not even asked, let alone received, permission for their 'rally'
The police decided the best way to deal with this was to remove the pro-Israeli organised rally, on the basis the people involved were smaller in number and more likely to cooperate - their primary concern was everyone's safety and they figured that would be the easiest way to achieve that aim - I fully agree they had no choice, but it certainly was uncomfortable to see the law abiding citizens suffering at the hands of those breaking the law
I don't mind admitting that even as a bystander, I was scared for my safety. As a jew, I desperately wanted to join the demonstrators, as did my friend. I'm not sure we would have achieved anything, other than feeling good about ourselves for showing solidarity. However with his pregnant wife being with us, it was not an option we felt comfortable considering. I certainly didn't feel particularly good about myself when I just walked away as soon as we saw a clear path out of there
The overriding feeling when we left was that a group of foreigners had managed to 'get one over' the Police and effectively take the law into their own hands. I don't have any suggestions for answers but hope at least a few people find my story interesting - I believe the situation has become much, much worse there in the last few years and to be openly jewish in Malmo is almost impossible for fear of being attacked
I was with a friend and his pregnant wife, on a long train journey that went through Malmo - we were well ahead of schedule so got off the train for a wander around there for a few hours with the intention of catching a later train onto our destination
As we walked from the train station to the centre of Malmo, we were suddenly conscious of large numbers of people running past us, with scarves over their faces. As we got to the centre, we saw a very small (perhaps 75 people) demonstration, predominantly by the local jewish community. It was very peaceful - without exception every placard talked about things like 'we pray for peace in the Middle East' as opposed to slogans that took sides or made overt political statements. The demonstration was in a small square in front of a public building and from speaking to the local police, we learned that it was pre-organised and approved - I don't know about now but at that time, you needed prior permission before staging any kind of public rally.
Meanwhile on all the immediate surrounding roads, large numbers (many 100s) of Palestinian 'supporters' were gathering. They were very noisy, their placards were incredibly incendiary, their dress was intimidating and they were throwing ever more dangerous objects at the demonstrators, until eventually it was glass bottles and large rocks being thrown. The organised demonstration did not retaliate in any way, verbally or physically, despite the chants of 'death to the jews' and such like
The police arrived in numbers and organised themselves between the two groups. The Palestinian supporters continued to throw objects, now over the police and into the group of Israeli demonstrators. I learned they had not even asked, let alone received, permission for their 'rally'
The police decided the best way to deal with this was to remove the pro-Israeli organised rally, on the basis the people involved were smaller in number and more likely to cooperate - their primary concern was everyone's safety and they figured that would be the easiest way to achieve that aim - I fully agree they had no choice, but it certainly was uncomfortable to see the law abiding citizens suffering at the hands of those breaking the law
I don't mind admitting that even as a bystander, I was scared for my safety. As a jew, I desperately wanted to join the demonstrators, as did my friend. I'm not sure we would have achieved anything, other than feeling good about ourselves for showing solidarity. However with his pregnant wife being with us, it was not an option we felt comfortable considering. I certainly didn't feel particularly good about myself when I just walked away as soon as we saw a clear path out of there
The overriding feeling when we left was that a group of foreigners had managed to 'get one over' the Police and effectively take the law into their own hands. I don't have any suggestions for answers but hope at least a few people find my story interesting - I believe the situation has become much, much worse there in the last few years and to be openly jewish in Malmo is almost impossible for fear of being attacked
FiF said:
Have been talking about the problems facing the Jewish community in Malmö for years now. The degree of anti Semitism by incomers is unbelievable, add in the increasing violence, it's a disgrace and police and Säpo, to our shame, have failed completely to stamp it out.
Jews are the one minority group it's still PC to dislikeAxionknight said:
Negative Creep said:
Jews are the one minority group it's still PC to dislike
What about Liverpool fans? They're a truly awful bunch.Negative Creep said:
FiF said:
Have been talking about the problems facing the Jewish community in Malmö for years now. The degree of anti Semitism by incomers is unbelievable, add in the increasing violence, it's a disgrace and police and Säpo, to our shame, have failed completely to stamp it out.
Jews are the one minority group it's still PC to dislikejonby said:
I experienced first hand an incident in Sweden around 7 or 8 years ago that I still remember vividly
I was with a friend and his pregnant wife, on a long train journey that went through Malmo - we were well ahead of schedule so got off the train for a wander around there for a few hours with the intention of catching a later train onto our destination
As we walked from the train station to the centre of Malmo, we were suddenly conscious of large numbers of people running past us, with scarves over their faces. As we got to the centre, we saw a very small (perhaps 75 people) demonstration, predominantly by the local jewish community. It was very peaceful - without exception every placard talked about things like 'we pray for peace in the Middle East' as opposed to slogans that took sides or made overt political statements. The demonstration was in a small square in front of a public building and from speaking to the local police, we learned that it was pre-organised and approved - I don't know about now but at that time, you needed prior permission before staging any kind of public rally.
Meanwhile on all the immediate surrounding roads, large numbers (many 100s) of Palestinian 'supporters' were gathering. They were very noisy, their placards were incredibly incendiary, their dress was intimidating and they were throwing ever more dangerous objects at the demonstrators, until eventually it was glass bottles and large rocks being thrown. The organised demonstration did not retaliate in any way, verbally or physically, despite the chants of 'death to the jews' and such like
The police arrived in numbers and organised themselves between the two groups. The Palestinian supporters continued to throw objects, now over the police and into the group of Israeli demonstrators. I learned they had not even asked, let alone received, permission for their 'rally'
The police decided the best way to deal with this was to remove the pro-Israeli organised rally, on the basis the people involved were smaller in number and more likely to cooperate - their primary concern was everyone's safety and they figured that would be the easiest way to achieve that aim - I fully agree they had no choice, but it certainly was uncomfortable to see the law abiding citizens suffering at the hands of those breaking the law
I don't mind admitting that even as a bystander, I was scared for my safety. As a jew, I desperately wanted to join the demonstrators, as did my friend. I'm not sure we would have achieved anything, other than feeling good about ourselves for showing solidarity. However with his pregnant wife being with us, it was not an option we felt comfortable considering. I certainly didn't feel particularly good about myself when I just walked away as soon as we saw a clear path out of there
The overriding feeling when we left was that a group of foreigners had managed to 'get one over' the Police and effectively take the law into their own hands. I don't have any suggestions for answers but hope at least a few people find my story interesting - I believe the situation has become much, much worse there in the last few years and to be openly jewish in Malmo is almost impossible for fear of being attacked
This must be a made up story, surely you are not suggesting that there is a problem with Muslims and their views - islamaphobe !!!I was with a friend and his pregnant wife, on a long train journey that went through Malmo - we were well ahead of schedule so got off the train for a wander around there for a few hours with the intention of catching a later train onto our destination
As we walked from the train station to the centre of Malmo, we were suddenly conscious of large numbers of people running past us, with scarves over their faces. As we got to the centre, we saw a very small (perhaps 75 people) demonstration, predominantly by the local jewish community. It was very peaceful - without exception every placard talked about things like 'we pray for peace in the Middle East' as opposed to slogans that took sides or made overt political statements. The demonstration was in a small square in front of a public building and from speaking to the local police, we learned that it was pre-organised and approved - I don't know about now but at that time, you needed prior permission before staging any kind of public rally.
Meanwhile on all the immediate surrounding roads, large numbers (many 100s) of Palestinian 'supporters' were gathering. They were very noisy, their placards were incredibly incendiary, their dress was intimidating and they were throwing ever more dangerous objects at the demonstrators, until eventually it was glass bottles and large rocks being thrown. The organised demonstration did not retaliate in any way, verbally or physically, despite the chants of 'death to the jews' and such like
The police arrived in numbers and organised themselves between the two groups. The Palestinian supporters continued to throw objects, now over the police and into the group of Israeli demonstrators. I learned they had not even asked, let alone received, permission for their 'rally'
The police decided the best way to deal with this was to remove the pro-Israeli organised rally, on the basis the people involved were smaller in number and more likely to cooperate - their primary concern was everyone's safety and they figured that would be the easiest way to achieve that aim - I fully agree they had no choice, but it certainly was uncomfortable to see the law abiding citizens suffering at the hands of those breaking the law
I don't mind admitting that even as a bystander, I was scared for my safety. As a jew, I desperately wanted to join the demonstrators, as did my friend. I'm not sure we would have achieved anything, other than feeling good about ourselves for showing solidarity. However with his pregnant wife being with us, it was not an option we felt comfortable considering. I certainly didn't feel particularly good about myself when I just walked away as soon as we saw a clear path out of there
The overriding feeling when we left was that a group of foreigners had managed to 'get one over' the Police and effectively take the law into their own hands. I don't have any suggestions for answers but hope at least a few people find my story interesting - I believe the situation has become much, much worse there in the last few years and to be openly jewish in Malmo is almost impossible for fear of being attacked
I know a Muslim lady who is very reasonable, much nicer than me and western in dress. We all went out one evening and my wife asked what she had done that day - I have been on a protest march to the Israeli Embassy over their invasion of Palestine. My wife, another reasonable individual said what about the two jewish teenagers that were abducted and murdered ? " Oh we don't know that that is true........"
I do not recall her marching on any other Embassy.
Negative Creep said:
Axionknight said:
Negative Creep said:
Jews are the one minority group it's still PC to dislike
What about Liverpool fans? They're a truly awful bunch.
Bring on the clowns said:
Negative Creep said:
FiF said:
Have been talking about the problems facing the Jewish community in Malmö for years now. The degree of anti Semitism by incomers is unbelievable, add in the increasing violence, it's a disgrace and police and Säpo, to our shame, have failed completely to stamp it out.
Jews are the one minority group it's still PC to dislikeAnother nice incident, theft and beating of an older lady in Stockholm tonight, not sure of the origin of the alleged culprits but they don't look your typical "scandinavians".... most definitely Swedish http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/brottscentralen/...
The fall onto the floor, especially if she had hit the wall (inches away from doing so) could so easily have left her dead or permanently damaged. We have enough indigenous scum here doing similar and perhaps the Swedes do too, but I can't help thinking that the left leaning pc govt. have rushed things through with such little care and checking in their urgency and need to seem generous, concerned and kindly, that they have caused real damage to Sweden.
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