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Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
I find it humorous that you lot continue to harp on his non PC behavior (a good thing to many) and say nothing of legal offenses of Clinton's, confirmed by the State Department. People have gone to prison for far less. More coming out all the time. If President Obama was truly honest, he'd allow the FBI to recommend indictment. The other worry is what has she promised the countries that donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation while she was SOS? Rest assured, they were promised something.
BTW, many of those nations she took money from have the worse record of treatment towards women of anywhere in the world. The hypocrisy and irony are blinding.
Trump's being sued for fraud. Hillary sent some emails from from her private email account.BTW, many of those nations she took money from have the worse record of treatment towards women of anywhere in the world. The hypocrisy and irony are blinding.
Do you not realise how pathetic it looks comparing the two situations?
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
I find it humorous that you lot continue to harp on his non PC behavior (a good thing to many) and say nothing of legal offenses of Clinton's, confirmed by the State Department. People have gone to prison for far less. More coming out all the time. If President Obama was truly honest, he'd allow the FBI to recommend indictment. The other worry is what has she promised the countries that donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation while she was SOS? Rest assured, they were promised something.
BTW, many of those nations she took money from have the worse record of treatment towards women of anywhere in the world. The hypocrisy and irony are blinding.
Trump's being sued for fraud. Hillary sent some emails from from her private email account.BTW, many of those nations she took money from have the worse record of treatment towards women of anywhere in the world. The hypocrisy and irony are blinding.
Do you not realise how pathetic it looks comparing the two situations?
Sam All said:
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
I find it humorous that you lot continue to harp on his non PC behavior (a good thing to many) and say nothing of legal offenses of Clinton's, confirmed by the State Department. People have gone to prison for far less. More coming out all the time. If President Obama was truly honest, he'd allow the FBI to recommend indictment. The other worry is what has she promised the countries that donated millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation while she was SOS? Rest assured, they were promised something.
BTW, many of those nations she took money from have the worse record of treatment towards women of anywhere in the world. The hypocrisy and irony are blinding.
Trump's being sued for fraud. Hillary sent some emails from from her private email account.BTW, many of those nations she took money from have the worse record of treatment towards women of anywhere in the world. The hypocrisy and irony are blinding.
Do you not realise how pathetic it looks comparing the two situations?
I'll see you later Sam, I am off to more active threads, back to this one when it is revived. Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 27th June 16:32
Jimbeaux said:
Emails containing classified information, and that is per the State Dept., not media. That is quite serious.
Tbh people keep saying "it's serious". What exactly was in those emails that made it so "serious"? When republicans keep saying "oooooh it's serious, she's bad" it seems more out of desperation than anything else, because that's the only stick they've got to beat her. Possibly it is. let's wait and see, rather than throw hands up in fake horror.Jimbeaux said:
What about what i said about the Clinton Foundation??
Again, your post was lacking a little in "fact". So she had some £Xm donations from other countries. Based on that you automatically assume that there is corruption involved. It's Trump 101 - keep making unfounded accusations and hope people just accept it at face value. Just to clarify, she may well be involved in something dodgy, but when you and others keep making accusations without facts or evidence it does tend to undermine your case somewhat.Why don't we wait until she's in Court, being tried by a Mexican judge, and she's bleating about how unfair and corrupt the US judicial system is before we put her on the same level as Ol' Spunky.
As you're not one to dodge a question - what did you think about Trump accusing Judge Curiel of being effectively corrupt? Do you think slandering the US judicial system, in order to wriggle out of a multiple-fraud accusation is an apt tactic for a presidential candidate?
unrepentant said:
Respected Conservative journalist George Will has actually left the Republican Party because he does not want to be associated with Trump. He joins a long list of republicans who simply cannot stomach the idea of supporting a racist conman.
"Respected conservative journalist"Really?
Really?
scherzkeks said:
unrepentant said:
Respected Conservative journalist George Will has actually left the Republican Party because he does not want to be associated with Trump. He joins a long list of republicans who simply cannot stomach the idea of supporting a racist conman.
"Respected conservative journalist"Really?
Really?
unrepentant said:
Completely overblown by the right wing media. She did nothing different from what Colin Powell did. Rules since changed and that's fine but she did nothing that was illegal.
Countdown said:
Trump's being sued for fraud. Hillary sent some emails from from her private email account.
Do you not realise how pathetic it looks comparing the two situations?
Wow. I had always wondered how people could support Hillary with a straight face, but now it is crystal clear. A complete disconnect from reality is required.Do you not realise how pathetic it looks comparing the two situations?
Do you honestly believe that the FBI would formally investigate (and lets be clear, this IS an investigation, not a security review) HRC over 'nothing illegal'?
Colin Powell did use a private email account, but not a private email server. A private email server with the intention of shielding HRC from FOIA requests, that held classified government emails which were compromised.
She did not send "some" emails, she sent all emails through this unsecure server. "She did not use, or even activate, a state.gov email account, which would have been hosted on servers owned and managed by the US government. " BBC
She definitely turned over all of her emails though. She definitely did not destroy evidence. The hacker "Guccifer" definitely hasn't turned over a load of emails to the FBI that were not present on her private email server. And the FBI definitely has not found emails on government email servers sent from HRC that were also not present on her email server.
Countdown said:
Again, your post was lacking a little in "fact". So she had some £Xm donations from other countries. Based on that you automatically assume that there is corruption involved.
I mean come on guys, just because some middle eastern countries donated tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation just before she sold a load of weapons to them, doesn't mean it's dodgy!state.gov on the Saudi arms deal said:
this interagency effort has been a top priority for both Secretary Gates and Secretary Clinton
No s
t it was a top priority for her! 
Hillary Clinton needs to explain how she can be so heavily pro-LGBT and yet willing to take the money of people who don't just hate the LGBT community but lock them up and execute them.
This is not a person who seems to be particularly committed to anything other than lining her pockets with the cash of bigots and despots.
This is not a person who seems to be particularly committed to anything other than lining her pockets with the cash of bigots and despots.
GavinPearson said:
Hillary Clinton needs to explain how she can be so heavily pro-LGBT and yet willing to take the money of people who don't just hate the LGBT community but lock them up and execute them.
This is not a person who seems to be particularly committed to anything other than lining her pockets with the cash of bigots and despots.
Sounds like the US equivalent of Blair. perhaps they ought to get together!This is not a person who seems to be particularly committed to anything other than lining her pockets with the cash of bigots and despots.
vetrof said:
I get my news from ABC and CBS which are about as mainstream as you get. I have never heard of the guy and I am pretty sure that very few people have either.Atheism is not popular in the USA, so while he can have an opinion and write or broadcast it, the actual number of people who will do as he specifically advocates will be insignificant.
This is why politicians become pals with actors and celebrities - people actually pay attention to what they say.
unrepentant said:
Respected Conservative journalist George Will has actually left the Republican Party because he does not want to be associated with Trump. He joins a long list of republicans who simply cannot stomach the idea of supporting a racist conman.
What on earth is George Will wearing on his head?
amusingduck said:
Wow. I had always wondered how people could support Hillary with a straight face, but now it is crystal clear. A complete disconnect from reality is required.
Do you honestly believe that the FBI would formally investigate (and lets be clear, this IS an investigation, not a security review) HRC over 'nothing illegal'?
Just because they're investigating her doesn't automatically mean she's done something illegal. They won't know until the investigation's been completed. Do you honestly believe that the FBI would formally investigate (and lets be clear, this IS an investigation, not a security review) HRC over 'nothing illegal'?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20...
the link above (as far as I can see doesn't suggest she's done anything illegal even though the investigation has been going on for 9 months?. Yet Trump and his supporters keep shouting that she HAS done something illegal. As I've said above it's Trump 101 - keep lying until people think it must be the truth... he tried much the same with his Birther crusade against Obama and a significant number of Republicans are stupid enough to believe him.
amusingduck said:
I mean come on guys, just because some middle eastern countries donated tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton foundation just before she sold a load of weapons to them, doesn't mean it's dodgy!
t it was a top priority for her!
The Saudis have been buying billions/trillions of dollars in arms from the US for years. That's one of the reasons why the US has supported most despotic regime in the Middle East for so long. And this has happened under Presidents of both political parties. It isn't something that has just happened or as a result of them donating money to HRC. You're probably aware that the Bin Ladens are close business associates of Bush Senior, so again (like our own Tony B) cosying up to despots isn't particularly unique to any specific Partystate.gov on the Saudi arms deal said:
this interagency effort has been a top priority for both Secretary Gates and Secretary Clinton
No st it was a top priority for her! GavinPearson said:
Hillary Clinton needs to explain how she can be so heavily pro-LGBT and yet willing to take the money of people who don't just hate the LGBT community but lock them up and execute them.
This is not a person who seems to be particularly committed to anything other than lining her pockets with the cash of bigots and despots.
Possibly in the same way that countless US governments proselytize about loving freedom and democracy whilst continuing to sell arms to various countries (who then use those arms to kill their own citizens).This is not a person who seems to be particularly committed to anything other than lining her pockets with the cash of bigots and despots.
Countdown said:
Just because they're investigating her doesn't automatically mean she's done something illegal. They won't know until the investigation's been completed.
"Secretary Clinton should have preserved any federal records she created and received on her personal account by printing and filing those records with the related files in the Office of the Secretary. At a minimum, Secretary Clinton should have surrendered all emails dealing with Department business before leaving government service and, because she did not do so, she did not comply with the department’s policies that were implemented in accordance with the Federal Records Act."Page 23,http://static.politico.com/f3/9b/19d29ab14abeb4a30ca2975f1e6c/oig-report.pdf ,reported by the State Department inspector general’s office.
"What are the Risks of Poor Management of Records?
Increased difficulty or inability to complete your work and meet your responsibilities
Difficulties in fulfilling FOIA or litigation requests
Criminal or civil penalties, fines and/or imprisonment for:
The unlawful removal or destruction of federal records (18 U.S.C. 2071)
The unlawful disclosure of national security information (18 U.S.C. 793,794,& 798)
Justice.gov
Tell me again, how she has done nothing illegal.
Nothing to see, non issue. The FBI have already let it be known that there's no indictment coming. The only classified documents involved were not classified at the time and were only classified in retrospect. Previous SOS's used similar systems. Yawn. The only people interested in this are ever more desperate republicans who are watching their party disappear down the Trumpist sewer that they have dug for themselves.
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