American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

[unrepentant]

scherzkeks said:

No, the comedy gold is in watching America go down the tubes, by its own hand. Hilary Clinton's donors are the same as every other "top contender" in the running, and her domestic and foreign policy will mirror that. Just as Obama's has.

You're talking out of your arse mate. If you think that Obama's policies have mirrored Bush's or those that would have been adopted by McCain or Romney you're deluded and a bit dumb to be honest. As for the donors you're also showing your ignorance.

[IainT]

unrepentant said:

scherzkeks said:

No, the comedy gold is in watching America go down the tubes, by its own hand. Hilary Clinton's donors are the same as every other "top contender" in the running, and her domestic and foreign policy will mirror that. Just as Obama's has.

You're talking out of your arse mate. If you think that Obama's policies have mirrored Bush's or those that would have been adopted by McCain or Romney you're deluded and a bit dumb to be honest. As for the donors you're also showing your ignorance.

It'd be nice if you both could 'show your working' and evidence claim and rebuttal with links.

[Mrr T]

unrepentant said:

Short answer no. Long answer also no. And it's Hillary.

I think you should do some more research on US web sites.

While Hilary is the air apparent for the DP she has a number of issues:

1. She is a terrible speaker.
2. She has no real political base.
3. She is part of the Clinton Trust which has received millions from some very dodgy and corrupt people. Most of the money then appears to have gone to maintain the Clinton family rather than charity.
4. Leaving a senior foreign office official to be murdered by Islamic fundamentalist, and then blaming it on a mad preacher in the mid west. Shows a lack of any foreign policy experience.
5. Potentially illegally using her own email for state business while Secretary of State then when forced handing over potentially a small part of the traffic,
6. She is not Obama. Obama maybe the most useless President for some time but at least he look good and his golf handicap must be going down fast.

[scherzkeks]

unrepentant said:

You're talking out of your arse mate. If you think that Obama's policies have mirrored Bush's or those that would have been adopted by McCain or Romney you're deluded and a bit dumb to be honest. As for the donors you're also showing your ignorance.

Actually, in many aspects his policies and actions have been far more damaging, both internationally and domestically. His civil liberties record is appaling, his adminstration the most secretive in US history. The normalization of the security/surveillance state has been accelerated under Obama, and they have prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other presidents combined, again, in US history. Let's also not forget targeted killings and incarcerations without due process.

As for the donors, the major players are backed by the same organizations and individuals to varying degrees. The only real change of note that occured in '12 was that Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan who were some of O's largest donors in '08 supported Romney to a greater extent, for obvious reasons. That Mr. Too Big to Fail has done little to punish banks for financial crime doesn't even need to be said. Just ask Elizabeth Warren, or even PBS Frontline, whose reporters were denied access for future reporting after this went out http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/untouchabl...

[unrepentant]

IainT said:

unrepentant said:

scherzkeks said:

No, the comedy gold is in watching America go down the tubes, by its own hand. Hilary Clinton's donors are the same as every other "top contender" in the running, and her domestic and foreign policy will mirror that. Just as Obama's has.

You're talking out of your arse mate. If you think that Obama's policies have mirrored Bush's or those that would have been adopted by McCain or Romney you're deluded and a bit dumb to be honest. As for the donors you're also showing your ignorance.

It'd be nice if you both could 'show your working' and evidence claim and rebuttal with links.

They are diametrically opposed. Examples, let's see - Major policy moves of Bush were to invade 2 countries and open up huge tax breaks for the rich. Obama has ended both those wars and the tax breaks and increased SNAP for poor families. He's also opened dialogue with both Cuba and Iran, something no republican would do. Then there's healthcare reform............

As far as donors are concerned you really need look no further than the Koch brothers who have pledged $1 billion to get a republican elected next year. $1 billion! That's more than the rest of the donors put together. (You can also add in people like Sheldon Aldeson who contributes tens of million to the republicans each cycle). The dems have nobody who comes close to these sorts of numbers and Obama is famous for raising small sums from real voters.

[rovermorris999]

Viewing this from a distance it seems to me that to get selected to run as a Republican you have to appeal to the Christian fruit-cakes which surely will rule you out for normal people, $1bn or not.

[anonymous-user]

rovermorris999 said:

Viewing this from a distance it seems to me that to get selected to run as a Republican you have to appeal to the Christian fruit-cakes which surely will rule you out for normal people, $1bn or not.

The groups they have to appeal to are so disparate and extreme you almost feel sorry for them. Live in a swamp on government handouts? Think a JCB dealership is an amusement park? Trust in Jesus? Live in a state there are more bears than people? Have a $30m house for the weekend in the Hamptons? Have your pilot time your landing into NY until after midnight for tax reasons? Wear a cowboy hat? Think fossils are an elaborate joke
?

[OddJoe]

fblm said:

Have your pilot time your landing into NY until after midnight for tax reasons?

Oooh, do explain this

[anonymous-user]

OddJoe said:

Oooh, do explain this

Any part of a day in NYC counts as a whole day for city income taxes which are levied on anyone in the city more than 182 days or part days. (HMRC counts your days in the UK the same way!). If you're non resident then you have to be careful exactly what time you leave the city. Actually it's even more of a pain than that as Teterboro and Newark airports are in NJ so you also have to be careful when you come back into the city late at night. Mo Money Mo Problems.

http://dealbreaker.com/2013/10/julian-robertsons-c...

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st May 18:57

[unrepentant]

Santorum is in again. This widens the field of bat 5hit crazy evangelicals. Rick can mix it up, he came second last time despite a small war chest and he's a proven stayer of the course. Expect his pious and sanctimonious presence to be around debating abortion and the abomination of homosexual sex until well into 2017.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/us/politics/rick...

[Halb]

Are there any sensible GoP candidates?

[Art0ir]

Halb said:

Are there any sensible GoP candidates?

Rand Paul is as close as it gets.

[unrepentant]

Breaking news - Ex NY Governor George Pataki is in!

Pataki, 70, is - wait for it - a relatively moderate republican! He's never lost an election for public office but he will lose this primary battle. Nice to see a republican in the race who's not a foaming at the mouth evangelical dingbat though!

Unrep odds 200/1

[MiniMan64]

How many is that now? Don't they have a limit on entrants?

[Fishtigua]

Art0ir said:

Rand Paul is as close as it gets.

He was not too nutty on the Daily Show the other night. If he goes up against HRC, he may actually make a run of it.

[unrepentant]

Fishtigua said:

Art0ir said:

Rand Paul is as close as it gets.

He was not too nutty on the Daily Show the other night. If he goes up against HRC, he may actually make a run of it.

Rand is like his Dad. He can sound lucid and sensible sometimes but at other times he's completely bonkers. He has no chance whatsoever of being the candidate, he doesn't have the support in the base or the funding.

[unrepentant]

MiniMan64 said:

How many is that now? Don't they have a limit on entrants?

Declared so far;

Cruz
Paul
Rubio
Pataki
Santorum
Fiorina
Carson
Huckabee

Expected to decare soon;

Graham
Bush
Walker
Perry
Jindal
Kasich

May run;

Christie
Ehrlich
King
Gilmore
West
Haley

Won't run but will pretend he might because he's a media we;

Trump

[Halb]

I do so hope, Trump runs.

[unrepentant]

He told us he would and now he's gone and done it! Crazy SC Senator Lindsey Graham has thrown his hat into the ring. Lindsey is a close friend of bitter and twisted AZ senator John McCain who failed to both rescue the economy and win the presidency in '08. Lindsey has no chance but he'll mix it up for a while and he doesn't like the Tea Baggers so he'll ruffle feathers!


http://news.yahoo.com/starting-2016-campaign-graha...

[Halb]

Haha, is that the guy that thingy does from the Daily Show (the Everyday Programme ) as a 'Southern Gentleman'?