American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

[don4l]

TheExcession said:

On a more serious note - has anyone else noticed HRC seems to be getting a bit croaky in the throat? I'm really hoping she gets a decent dose of laryngitis in the next few weeks and is forced to shut F up.

Bill could probably help her out with that problem.

[longblackcoat]

Esseesse said:

RottenIcons said:

unrepentant said:

Sanders put out a statement tonight that effectively conceded so HRC can pivot to the general election now.

How did Trump do?

I think better than Hillary.

On the night, that's empirically true, but longer-term he still has yoooge problems.

Unrepentant is correct; Bernie has effectively conceded, and Hillary is now the presumptive candidate. On the Democrat side there will be grumbling that Hillary has de facto won, but an acceptance that she's the true candidate of the Democratic Party. She will therefore garner all the Dem votes come the General Election, and attract a lot of non-aligned voters who like her because (a) they just do (b) she's not Trump (c) she's a woman (d) she's actually pretty Centrist, far more so than Bernie, who'd scare off a lot of mid-America (e) even if the Bernie supporters don't much like Hillary, they absolutely hate Trump.

The Republicans? Well, they either have Trump as a candidate if he passes the magic 1237 - someone the party simply can't stand and who not only stands little chance of being elected as President but will arguably set them back several decades - or they have a bloody contested convention at which Trump finally emerges as the candidate (with all previous problems still applying) or they have a white knight charging in on a dark horse, who will stand precisely fk-all chance against Hillary.

Either way, it's a mess for the Republicans and poor for democracy as a whole, as Hillary is a far from ideal choice who has some major ch1nks in her armour.

Edited to add:

Current odds show Clinton at 1/3, Trump at 7/2. I think that's a pretty fair reflection of how it'll pan out.

Edited by longblackcoat on Wednesday 27th April 09:42

[RottenIcons]

longblackcoat said:

Either way, it's a mess for the Republicans and poor for democracy as a whole, as Hillary is a far from ideal choice who has some major ch1nks in her armour.

It's not a mess for 'Republicans', most Republicans want Trump and it shows in his popular vote, it's a 'mess' for the upper echelon of 'The Republican Party' who are out of touch and also feel their grip on a life and a lifestyle slipping from their grasp.

[JagLover]

Interesting analysis of the night and likely prospects in November.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/26/opinions/donald-...

[MiniMan64]

chris watton said:

Connecticut: Trump 28/28
Delaware: Trump 16/16
Maryland: Trump 38/38
Pennsylvania: Trump 17+../ 71
Rhode Island: 19/19

How many Republican Delegates still up for grabs?

[chris watton]

MiniMan64 said:

chris watton said:

Connecticut: Trump 28/28
Delaware: Trump 16/16
Maryland: Trump 38/38
Pennsylvania: Trump 17+../ 71
Rhode Island: 19/19

How many Republican Delegates still up for grabs?

I don't know. but I do know that Hilary will most likely win the presidency. I do feel it is good for one party to not get their own way all time, though.

[vetrof]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=republican+deleg...

622 left

[AreOut]

longblackcoat said:

Current odds show Clinton at 1/3, Trump at 7/2. I think that's a pretty fair reflection of how it'll pan out.

9/2 on betfair, quite a value bet at this point I'd say...

[longblackcoat]

RottenIcons said:

longblackcoat said:

Either way, it's a mess for the Republicans and poor for democracy as a whole, as Hillary is a far from ideal choice who has some major ch1nks in her armour.

It's not a mess for 'Republicans', most Republicans want Trump and it shows in his popular vote, it's a 'mess' for the upper echelon of 'The Republican Party' who are out of touch and also feel their grip on a life and a lifestyle slipping from their grasp.

It's a mess for Republican voters too. Because by selecting Trump, they are almost certainly guaranteeing a Democratic President. The zealots may turn out to select Trump (and he's really not much worse than the candidates - at least he doesn't actually believe the tripe he's peddling)but the rest of the country just isn't buying.

They may not much like Clinton, but faced with a choice between a moderately Right-wing pragmatist or a lying blowhard, who do you think the country will choose? Given current views, it's only going one way. There's a long way to the election, and things can certainly change, but every poll I've seen shows a Clinton win, with margin of victory ranging from 3 to 11, averaging at 8.5%. That'd be an absolute landslide, bigger than the 7.2% margin Obama scored in 2008.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

[Halb]

longblackcoat said:

They may not much like Clinton, but faced with a choice between a moderately Right-wing pragmatist or a lying blowhard,

Which is which there?

[longblackcoat]

Halb said:

longblackcoat said:

They may not much like Clinton, but faced with a choice between a moderately Right-wing pragmatist or a lying blowhard,

Which is which there?

Easy to tell the difference; there's nothing moderate about Trump!

[mikal83]

fantastic for the dems, let the implosion start

[RottenIcons]

longblackcoat said:

RottenIcons said:

longblackcoat said:

Either way, it's a mess for the Republicans and poor for democracy as a whole, as Hillary is a far from ideal choice who has some major ch1nks in her armour.

It's not a mess for 'Republicans', most Republicans want Trump and it shows in his popular vote, it's a 'mess' for the upper echelon of 'The Republican Party' who are out of touch and also feel their grip on a life and a lifestyle slipping from their grasp.

It's a mess for Republican voters too. Because by selecting Trump, they are almost certainly guaranteeing a Democratic President. The zealots may turn out to select Trump (and he's really not much worse than the candidates - at least he doesn't actually believe the tripe he's peddling)but the rest of the country just isn't buying.

They may not much like Clinton, but faced with a choice between a moderately Right-wing pragmatist or a lying blowhard, who do you think the country will choose? Given current views, it's only going one way. There's a long way to the election, and things can certainly change, but every poll I've seen shows a Clinton win, with margin of victory ranging from 3 to 11, averaging at 8.5%. That'd be an absolute landslide, bigger than the 7.2% margin Obama scored in 2008.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

I have to tell you something horrid. Sometimes you have to vote on principle not for a 'party' or for a mate or to show you're a great bloke/bird. So it's not a mess, it's having a fully functioning moral compass and acting on it.

I think you are wrong, just as most Trump antagonists to date have been, constant denigration followed by a grudging "Yeah he won, but..." is becoming hackneyed beyond any horse's endurance. he keeps turning over the odds. A few pages into this thread and he was a joke at 500-1 to get the nomination at all with guffaws a'plenty.

[Sam All]

RottenIcons said:

longblackcoat said:

Either way, it's a mess for the Republicans and poor for democracy as a whole, as Hillary is a far from ideal choice who has some major ch1nks in her armour.

It's not a mess for 'Republicans', most Republicans want Trump and it shows in his popular vote, it's a 'mess' for the upper echelon of 'The Republican Party' who are out of touch and also feel their grip on a life and a lifestyle slipping from their grasp.

It's a mess.

[unrepentant]

chris watton said:

MiniMan64 said:

chris watton said:

Connecticut: Trump 28/28
Delaware: Trump 16/16
Maryland: Trump 38/38
Pennsylvania: Trump 17+../ 71
Rhode Island: 19/19

How many Republican Delegates still up for grabs?

I don't know. but I do know that Hilary will most likely win the presidency. I do feel it is good for one party to not get their own way all time, though.

It's basically down to Indiana and Cruz is camped here. If Trumpf wins Indiana he will be the nominee and the democrats will have the biggest party you ever saw. If Cruz wins and he should, this is a traditional conservative, deeply Christian state, then it's a brokered convention. Either way it's good for nobody except the democrats. Hopefully it's Trumpf and we can look forward to the prospect of the republican nominee appearing in court a month or so from polling day to defend himself on fraud charges relating to Trump U.

You're right, HRC wins either way. I think if they can get Cruz on the top of the ballot he will turn out the vote better than Trumpf and they may save some of the vulnerable senators, governors and congressmen down the ballot. If it's Trumpf the GOP turnout will be very poor and they will lose a lot of those races.

[AreOut]

unrepentant said:

It's basically down to Indiana and Cruz is camped here. If Trumpf wins Indiana he will be the nominee and the democrats will have the biggest party you ever saw.

how much money are you going to put on H if Trump wins the republican nomination?

[longblackcoat]

RottenIcons said:

I have to tell you something horrid. Sometimes you have to vote on principle not for a 'party' or for a mate or to show you're a great bloke/bird. So it's not a mess, it's having a fully functioning moral compass and acting on it.

Yeah, and I have to tell you something horrid too. Advocating National Socialism, as you were yesterday in this very thread, makes you ill-suited to lecture me or anyone else on the merits of having "a fully functioning moral compass."

[TheExcession]

Heads Up.

Trump about to make a 'Foreign Policy Speech'. Allegedly the first time with a teleprompter.

Being covered on Fox News and CNN as well I think.

[Halb]

Ta. Watching it now.
FFS get on with it!!! I need to go out in a bit.

[TheExcession]

Halb said:

Ta. Watching it now.
FFS get on with it!!! I need to go out in a bit.

Sorry to plug up the thread, where are you watching? CNN are broadcasting the intro, Fox are just talking over it.

Oh well here we go...