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[Sam All]

London424 said:

Now call me crazy but I'm sure if someone could be bothered to go back through this thread in fairly confident almost every single one of your pronouncements have been wrong...you that confident you're right this time?

I doubt Clinton is that confident - in the privacy of the ballot box, business as usual is no longer the default choice.

[Gandahar]

Would Trump make a good president? My feeling is not, but as the other Donald would have said, this is a known unknown, perhaps he will be. Clinton on the other hand is likely to be at least a fair president, ignoring what you think of her political position. Obviously clever and will lots of experience. She is a known known.

Lets called Clinton Spurs and Trump the Golden Foxes ...

Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 4th May 08:43

[powerstroke]

If Trump makes it , surely once his aims and ideas go thru the Washington mill they will come out watered down and sensible ??? so building a wall between the US and mexico will just end up a few more dollars spent on existing border security as one instance????

[chris watton]

If Trump does make US Pres, will Cameron have to apologise after all the nasty things he's said about him, during the campaign? That would be funny!

[Esseesse]

unrepentant said:

It's started.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/republicans...

Sit back and watch the implosion. The GOP have bought this on themselves. Republican candidates up and down the country are trying to work out how they can somehow distance themselves from the nominee. Meanwhile there's talk of a 3rd party candidate and a "republicans for Clinton" movement firing up.

I expect a reaction not too dissimilar when Bernie is not the Democrat nominee.

[Sam All]

chris watton said:

If Trump does make US Pres, will Cameron have to apologise after all the nasty things he's said about him, during the campaign? That would be funny!

Will Cameron still be in at No 10?

[chris watton]

Sam All said:

Will Cameron still be in at No 10?

Let's hope not!

[MiniMan64]

Jees, I didn't realise that Indiana was so make-or-break for Cruz, that was quick turn around! Does this mean the convention won't be quite as entertaining or that it will be more entertaining?

[whoami]

London424 said:

unrepentant said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Yep, you can stick a fork in the GOP, they're done.

Now call me crazy but I'm sure if someone could be bothered to go back through this thread in fairly confident almost every single one of your pronouncements have been wrong...you that confident you're right this time?

Indeed.

For starters, he stated, time and again, that it was going to be a brokered convention.

[Esseesse]

MiniMan64 said:

Jees, I didn't realise that Indiana was so make-or-break for Cruz, that was quick turn around! Does this mean the convention won't be quite as entertaining or that it will be more entertaining?

I'm not sure you would have heard much about the convention until after it had happened anyway? However what it guarantees is an entertaining GE, which is far more important and therefore has far more potential entertainment value than the convention anyway.

[Northbloke]

The self delusion is sky high on this thread.

Ignoring people who have been right and right again about the rise of Trump (Scott Adams) whilst themselves being wrong and wrong again without let up. Wishful thinking does not make it so.

It may be that the demographics are insurmountable for Trump (cf. UK constituency boundary changes) and he won't make it to the White House but he certainly has a good shot at it.

Fascinating to watch anyway.

[glazbagun]

Unless we get a Clinton/Sanders ticket, I wouldn't bet against Trump tbh. Hell, with Rosberg winning seven races straight, Corbyn as Labour leader and Leicester winning the league, a Trump Presidence doesn't even seem that long a shot!

[Smollet]

It's a bloody sad indictment on American politics and the Republican Party in particular if Trump is the best they can come up with. Makes Lord Sutch look positively main stream.

[Sam All]

Smollet said:

It's a bloody sad indictment on American politics and the Democratic Party in particular if Hillary is the best they can come up with.

FTFY

[mikal83]

Sam All said:

Smollet said:

It's a bloody sad indictment on American politics and the Democratic Party in particular if Hillary is the best they can come up with.

FTFY

WTF, and the GOP are full of better candidates?

[Smollet]

Sam All said:

Smollet said:

It's a bloody sad indictment on American politics and the Democratic Party in particular if Hillary is the best they can come up with.

FTFY

Well there is that but even she isn't as barking as Trump.

[Bring on the clowns]

Smollet said:

Sam All said:

Smollet said:

It's a bloody sad indictment on American politics and the Democratic Party in particular if Hillary is the best they can come up with.

FTFY

Well there is that but even she isn't as barking as Trump.

Yet Trump is nowhere near as barking as Cruz. More pragmatic, more driven by ego and self-importance perhaps, but I'd prefer a careerist and follower of mammon to a fanatic basing policy on archaic and lunatic ideas. He would have been bloody dangerous.

[MadmanO/T People]

whoami said:

London424 said:

unrepentant said:

MadmanO/T People said:

Yep, you can stick a fork in the GOP, they're done.

Now call me crazy but I'm sure if someone could be bothered to go back through this thread in fairly confident almost every single one of your pronouncements have been wrong...you that confident you're right this time?

Indeed.

For starters, he stated, time and again, that it was going to be a brokered convention.

No, I said there MAY be a brokered convention.

I was surprised Cruz gave up as easily as he did. I really thought he was in it for the long haul, considering how his ego is just as massive as Trump's.

The thing you don't seem to understand about American party politics is how much power is wielded behind the scenes by the party leaders. They could still engineer a scenario by which Trump is denied the nomination though, at this point, I doubt they will. They are simply too frightened of the consequences such an action would have. I truly believe GOP leaders have now written off 2016 and are now looking forward to 2020.

The "Republicans for Hillary" movement is now a real thing and is gaining momentum very quickly. She is seen as a pragmatic centrist who eschews the extremism of both the Left and Right.

[TheExcession]

London424 said:

(@unrepentant)Now call me crazy but I'm sure if someone could be bothered to go back through this thread in fairly confident almost every single one of your pronouncements have been wrong...you that confident you're right this time?

I'll oblige, I've been meaning to do this for a while. I've tried to be balanced as not everything was 100% wrong. So9 please be aware that a lot of this is pulled out of context and is in no way meant as a personal dig at unrepentant, but it does make interesting reading.

I've put the dates in the quote tax so others can go back and read in context.

unrepentant has said:

Tuesday 7th April 2015 said:

Plenty more crazies yet to declare, expect an avalance of whackos in the next couple of months. :biggrin:

Monday 13th April 2015 said:

It will be Bush or Walker v Clinton. The GOP will likely have 16 runners, most of them right wing extremists, and whoever emerges will have tacked so far to the right to convince the rabid bible bashing right wing whackos in the GOP to vote for them that they will have no way back.

Only 9 states really matter - Florida, Ohio, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Nevada. The other states are locked in. These 9 are the swing states and in 2012 Obama won them all, which is why his victory was decisive. With demographic shifts it is very difficult to see a republican winning enough electoral college votes to win the presidency.

The 45th president of the United States will be Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Monday 13th April 2015 said:

Unreps latest unofficial GOP candidate odds checker.
Donald Trump 500/1 (ROFLMFAO)
For the Presidency
Hillary Rodham Clinton 4/5
3/1 any republican

Tuesday 14th April 2015 said:

I don't think people in Europe have much comprehension as to quite how far to the right the republicans have lurched. I still think Jeb will get the nomination but he will have to adopt such extreme positions that he won't be able to walk it back in the GE.

Thursday 30th April 2015 said:

Bernie's in. Could be fun although he obviously won't win. The fear is he may push Clinton to the left although hopefully she's savvy enough to resist that.

Thursday 28th May 2015 said:

Santorum is in again. This widens the field of bat 5hit crazy evangelicals. Rick can mix it up, he came second last time despite a small war chest and he's a proven stayer of the course. Expect his pious and sanctimonious presence to be around debating abortion and the abomination of homosexual sex until well into 2017.

Thursday 28th May 2015 said:

Declared so far;

Cruz
Paul
Rubio
Pataki
Santorum
Fiorina
Carson
Huckabee

Expected to decare soon;

Graham
Bush
Walker
Perry
Jindal
Kasich

May run;

Christie
Ehrlich
King
Gilmore
West
Haley

Won't run but will pretend he might because he's a media we

Trump

Thursday 4th June 2015 said:

Bernie's the flag carrier for the left, the male Elizabeth Warren. He's a good guy but he's not in the race to win, he's there to push Hillary to the left.

Monday 15th June 2015 said:

Jeb "I'm not as stupid as my brother George honest guv" Bush will officially announce today. He's likely to be the GOP front runner although he's obviously handicapped by the association with his dim witted cretin of a brother. Expect the other 15 or so deadbeats in the GOP race to gang up on him early to try and stop his momentum.

Tuesday 16th June 2015 said:

He's in, The Donald is running for President. biggrin

This helps to seal the fate of the GOP primaries as a circus and a joke. The thing is Trump genuinely believes that he is a genius and is the best person to lead the free world. The debates should be hilarious.

It's good news for Carly Fiorina anyway. She may not come last now.

Tuesday 16th June 2015 said:

Trump has no chance whatsoever but his ideas would be broadly bonkers. He's a fool with an ego bigger than NYC. He's already bragged that he has a Gucci store "worth more than Mitt Romney". That's about the level of his debate.

He's not in it to win anyway. He's in it for the publicity and adoration from the brain dead on the right.

Monday 13th July 2015 said:

Trump's an idiot, his own party find him cringeworthy. He talks in sound bites that don't stand up to scrutiny, he's little more than a carnival barker, a freakshow. Scott Walker, a politician who stands a decent chance of being the nominee, has entered the race today unnoticed because of all the attention that the clown is getting.

Monday 13th July 2015 said:

Scott Walker would be my first choice, if i could vote.

The likes of Bush just reek of corporatism, the absolute worst of the right wing. Walker should be able to out 'blue collar' Clinton, assuming she can find her way out of her rope cordon :wink:

The Excession Saturday 18th July 2015 said:

My USA resident sister was over for a holiday last week.

After a few glasses of wine we had a proper giggle about how a meeting between Donald as Pres and Boris as PM would go.

Saturday 18th July 2015 said:

(In response to Trump being a Yank Boris)
No! For all his faux silliness Boris is a serious politician. Trump is a fairground attraction. He is not a serious person at all. He's more like Berlusconi but without the charm or political nous.

Thursday 6th August 2015 said:

First debate amongst the current top 10 of the loony party hopefuls tonight. On the stage will be;
Trump
Bush
Walker
Christie
Rubio
Kasich
Huckabee
Paul
Carson
Cruz

One of the moderators is Megyn Kelly (FOX are running the debate). She looks good but a more vacuous bint you'll struggle to find.

How dare you

Saturday 8th August 2015 said:

I just hope Trump hangs around for as long as possible. He's turning off more people than he turns on and is making the GOP look stupid.

Saturday 8th August 2015 said:

I want Trump to stay in as long as possible because he's gold for the democrats but if you think he's going to be the candidate you're on another planet.

Sunday 9th August 2015 said:

It is the beginning of the end for the Donald though. Pretty much the whole republican machine is now after him and even Cruz called him out today and he's a Trump sycophant.

Right, that's the first ten pages of the thread, someone else might like to address the next ten.

[unrepentant]

Esseesse said:

unrepentant said:

It's started.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/politics/republicans...

Sit back and watch the implosion. The GOP have bought this on themselves. Republican candidates up and down the country are trying to work out how they can somehow distance themselves from the nominee. Meanwhile there's talk of a 3rd party candidate and a "republicans for Clinton" movement firing up.

I expect a reaction not too dissimilar when Bernie is not the Democrat nominee.

It's a little different. What we're seeing is republicans looking for a home because Trump is not a republican. On the other side Sanders is not a democrat and his fervent supporters are not really democrats either. HRC is a democrat, indeed the choice of democrat voters by a massive margin. Where Sanders has done well is in open primaries where anyone can vote, in closed primaries you had to be registered to a party to vote. In fact if Sanders had lived in many states other than Vermont he would not have previously been able to vote for himself in a primary as he did not even register as a democrat until 2015! In Indiana yesterday when you turned up to vote they asked you democrat or republican and depending on your answer gave you a green or blue ballot. You did not need to be registered with a party. It was an open primary which is why Sanders squeaked it. I haven't looked at the exit polls but I'd wager that those who identified as democrats will have gone to HRC by quite a margin.