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[scherzkeks]

Halb said:

What will you do if the destruction commences?

Observe it from afar. I left the US a number of years ago and cannot imagine ever returning.

[Esseesse]

scherzkeks said:

Halb said:

What will you do if the destruction commences?

Observe it from afar. I left the US a number of years ago and cannot imagine ever returning.

Where did you leave in the US, where did you go to, and why wouldn't you return?

[mikal83]

Esseesse said:

Where did you leave in the US, where did you go to, and why wouldn't you return?

I am in Oct, just in time to vote!

[rovermorris999]

An interesting read here:
http://capx.co/41-of-americans-give-us-someone-oth...

[turbobloke]

rovermorris999 said:

An interesting read here:
http://capx.co/41-of-americans-give-us-someone-oth...

link said:

...if you add up the proportions of people who view the possibility of a Trump or Clinton presidency positively (either answering they would “celebrate” or be “pleased” you get very similar numbers: 31% for Trump and 33% for Clinton. Those viewing the prospect negatively (either expecting themselves to be “disappointed” or “terrified”) you get much bigger numbers; a 58% negative number for Trump and a 57% negative number for the likely Democratic nominee...

So, the candidates are equally unappealing. Sounds like the UK in that regard.

One may be marginally less bad, the least worst option, and that for each person is what they get to vote for (if they vote).

[Countdown]

Esseesse said:

So, the polling gap between Clinton and Trump has nearly halved since a little over a month ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

Well that's one way of looking at it.

Alternatively you could say it.s just reverted to the consistent 6-7% lead that she's held in all the previous polls.

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

Esseesse said:

So, the polling gap between Clinton and Trump has nearly halved since a little over a month ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

Well that's one way of looking at it.

Alternatively you could say it.s just reverted to the consistent 6-7% lead that she's held in all the previous polls.

Latest CNN poll has HRC ahead by 13. You can ignore Rasmussen, it's a right wing poll without credibility and always polls at a stupidly high level for the GOP and can therefore distort.

Polls are completely irrelevant at this stage. As far as the electoral college, which is the only thing that will matter, the models have her winning by as little as 332-206 and as much as by 386-152. Of course if a 3rd party candidate does get in.........

[Jockman]

Trumpton only needs a 4.1% swing in marginal states IIRC to succeed. It's not beyond him.

[unrepentant]

Jockman said:

Trumpton only needs a 4.1% swing in marginal states IIRC to succeed. It's not beyond him.

I think you'll find that a republican nominee would need a swing of that nature in marginal states compared to the 2012 poll. That's a bit different from Trump needing that swing as he starts way behind the mark set by Romney given that most republican leaders won't endorse him and a plurality of voters who might have voted republican are saying that they won't vote for him! I heard on the radio this morning that one of the polling / prediction markets (can't remember which one but it was NPR which is pretty reliable) saying that they had moved 14 key states and 13 had moved against the GOP and 1 (Maine) had moved towards the GOP.

To win the WH a republican would have to win at minimum Ohio and Florida. Romney lost both and also lost Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia and Pennsylvania. In fact he lost all the battleground states except Indiana which although Obama won it in 08 is actually a solid red state. Or at least it was...

When you look at the map below it's very difficult for any republican, let alone one as unpopular as Trump, to win the WH. Anything can happen but it would take a gargantuan turn around when you consider Trump's historic negatives with African Americans, Millennials, Hispanics, women etc...

[Halb]

Latest Scott Adams.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143944074406/a-few-ob...
A Few Observations on Clinton-Trump Persuasion

[Sylvaforever]

Halb said:

Latest Scott Adams.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143944074406/a-few-ob...
A Few Observations on Clinton-Trump Persuasion

Epic!

[BlackLabel]

Americans’ Distaste For Both Trump And Clinton Is Record-Breaking

This is going to be history's biggest and most expensive unpopularity contest, syphilis is more popular than these two. Obama is probably wishing that Reagan was successful in trying to repeal the 22nd Amendment because if Barry could run again he'd most probably win.

[Halb]

Bob DOle ranks favourably on there, and I seem to recall he was a byword for loser.

[rovermorris999]

And look at Dukakis. Some 15% higher than Bush yet lost.

[Gandahar]

Still the GOP has not understood the sea-change in it's supporters. They are unhappy with the Quid pro quo politics in Washington.

This was apparent with the rise of the Tea Party in the last few years. It was the warning shot. Nothing changed though and the GOP did their normal thing. So the Tea Party was a shot over the bows, which was ignored.

Now gone from Tea Party to Trump. It's a natural progression for GOP voters to go for now the Tea Party is on the ebb. And still the GOP does not see this and are befuddled.

I'm not sure how one party can not see which direction their base supporters are heading for so long and still be oblivious?

I don't agree with those supporters by the way, just commenting on the disjuncture between the people and the party.

Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.

[turbobloke]

Gandahar said:

Still the GOP has not understood the sea-change in it's supporters. They are unhappy with the Quid pro quo politics in Washington.

This was apparent with the rise of the Tea Party in the last few years. It was the warning shot. Nothing changed though and the GOP did their normal thing. So the Tea Party was a shot over the bows, which was ignored.

Now gone from Tea Party to Trump. It's a natural progression for GOP voters to go for now the Tea Party is on the ebb. And still the GOP does not see this and are befuddled.

I'm not sure how one party can not see which direction their base supporters are heading for so long and still be oblivious?

I don't agree with those supporters by the way, just commenting on the disjuncture between the people and the party.

Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.

Agreed on all points.

It should be very entertaining from a distance.

[Sylvaforever]

turbobloke said:

Gandahar said:

Still the GOP has not understood the sea-change in it's supporters. They are unhappy with the Quid pro quo politics in Washington.

This was apparent with the rise of the Tea Party in the last few years. It was the warning shot. Nothing changed though and the GOP did their normal thing. So the Tea Party was a shot over the bows, which was ignored.

Now gone from Tea Party to Trump. It's a natural progression for GOP voters to go for now the Tea Party is on the ebb. And still the GOP does not see this and are befuddled.

I'm not sure how one party can not see which direction their base supporters are heading for so long and still be oblivious?

I don't agree with those supporters by the way, just commenting on the disjuncture between the people and the party.

Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.

Agreed on all points.

It should be very entertaining from a distance.

Clinton is a rolling car crash looking for a ditch to end up in.... which isn't that surprising considering her election logo looks like the direction sign to a hospital....

[unrepentant]

Sylvaforever said:

Clinton is a rolling car crash looking for a ditch to end up in....

Explain (if you can).

BTW the FBI inquiry is about to wrap up and conclude, despite the witch hunt, that there is no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing with regard to her emails.

[Esseesse]

Gandahar said:

Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.

Trump attacks Clintons, calls Hillary an enabler.

[Countdown]

Esseesse said:

Gandahar said:

Looking forward to the Clinton and Trump Superbowl . Two tough birds. This could be the fight of the Century. We will not be bored.

Trump attacks Clintons, calls Hillary an enabler.

That sums up Trump in a nutshell. He boasts of having had numerous affairs, is currently on his 3rd marriage, and yet Bill's infidelity is Hilary's fault.

He makes dog faeces look good.