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unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Countdown said:
andymadmak said:
Google shows he is wrong on both the voter faud question and cost of ID. But hey, our hero is busy fapping himself blind over his pictures of HRC, so lets not expect too much by way of sense from him.
You mean links such as these...... ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.as...
http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/misle...
https://www.quora.com/In-the-United-States-does-vo...
Wasting your time Countdown. Bigoted morons like andymadwk aren't interested in facts that don't support their own warped opinions.

Talksteer

4,843 posts

232 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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andymadmak said:
unrepentant said:
As you normally speak through your arse I'm not surprised you reference it. You're speaking through it again of course. If you're poor and don't drive you don't have a drivers license. If you don't have a drivers license you don't have photo ID. State issued photo ID typically costs about $50 which you don't have if you're poor and struggle to buy food. If you don't have photo ID you can't vote in many republican states. Poor people who don't drive are predominantly black. Black people predominantly vote democrat. It's why republican states have rushed to pass voter ID laws. You don't have to be smart to work it out so even you can have a stab at it.

Voter fraud doesn't exist by the way. Well, not the kind you mean anyway. Denying the right to vote to people of color is voter fraud but you don't care about that. There have been numerous studies and "voter fraud" (i.e. people pretending to be someone else) doesn't exist. Between 2000 and 2014 there were 31 individual cases reported in all elections (local, state, federal). That's 31 out of over 1 billion ballots and even some of those were probably misunderstandings. But many republican states have introduced or tried to introduce legislation since Obama was elected.

I'm sure you won't let inconvenient facts get in the way of your bigotry and racism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/0...
rofl What little credibility you ever had just vanished. rofl bigotry and racism. rofl go have a lay down in a cool room old boy, you've gotten a bit over excited again.
And in what way have you addressed any of the points:

Voter ID requirements stop far more people voting by several orders of magnitude than have ever fraudulently voted.

Those people being denied the vote are more likely to vote democratic, those laws are predominantly brought in by Republicans.

In short it's dodgy as hell.

andymadmak

14,482 posts

269 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Countdown said:
andymadmak said:
Google shows he is wrong on both the voter faud question and cost of ID. But hey, our hero is busy fapping himself blind over his pictures of HRC, so lets not expect too much by way of sense from him.
You mean links such as these...... ?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.as...
http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/brief/misle...
https://www.quora.com/In-the-United-States-does-vo...
No. There are others. The idea that voter fraud does not exist, as unrep claims is simply wrong. But since i have no dog in this fight I am not going to lose any sleep over what Unrep thinks of me. I have roundly expressed my utter disappontment in the quality of both Trump and Clinton. Neither fills me with glee. Unfortunately Unrep has demonstrated again and again on this thread that he has more than a little bit of a " thing" for Clinton and this causes him to descend into a torrent of insults if he is challenged on some of his assertions.

If he even knew the slightest thing about me he would realise just how silly his claim that I am being racist is. Voter registration is one of those things that can be interpreted by both sides. Many will say what is the problem, the law is the law and if registering to vote reduced fraud then that has to be a good thing. On the other hand, many will claim that registration requiring ID disadvantages blacks, and thus is clearly racist. I dont subscribe to the second option because in the USA photo ID is frequently required for all sorts of things, and in my experience most people, of all backgrounds happily hold them, Its not so much about voting, so much as it is about simply getting around ( or even getting a beer in some places) in the US. Voting is a right, nobody disputes that, but voters do have to do something to exercise their rights.
Perhaps Unrep is right, perhaps it's all a big conspiracy, but there needs to be a bit more evidence than just assumptions and frothing indignation. Where is the smoking gun, the leaked GOP party documents that prove that registration as a policy is being pursued for racist or gerrymandering purposes?
It serves Unrep's mindset to play the R card. He's angry. But that does not make him correct.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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toohuge said:
It's not defined by race - rather the way in which different states/regions operate their ID issuing offices. There are many predominantly black areas that have very restrictive opening hours (sometimes just 1 day a week) and geographically inaccessible if you don't drive.
How do you either get a job, rent an apartment, claim benefits, use a bank, cash a check or get a beer without ID? When I lived in NY I was asked for ID so often for the most mundane things I carried my passport on me for 5 years... I'm a little skeptical that someone who doesn't have the time or few bucks to get ID once in their lives somehow has the time and inclination to vote every 4 years. It's not exactly a major hoop to jump through even if the DMV are as crap as you say.

unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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fblm said:
How do you either get a job, rent an apartment, claim benefits, use a bank, cash a check or get a beer without ID? When I lived in NY I was asked for ID so often for the most mundane things I carried my passport on me for 5 years... I'm a little skeptical that someone who doesn't have the time or few bucks to get ID once in their lives somehow has the time and inclination to vote every 4 years. It's not exactly a major hoop to jump through even if the DMV are as crap as you say.
The social security card is the main identifier for many of those things. The people we are talking about probably don't use a bank but if they did it wouldn't matter. I didn't show my DL to my bank or to AMEX when I opened accounts, all they wanted was my SS. I haven't been carded in a bar or restaurant in years. Most supermarkets card everyone but you will only get carded in a bar if you look under 30 in most states.

In some states the card can cost $50. If you're dirt poor $50 is a lot of money.. It's not just the ID issue anyway. The republicans have been doing a lot of shady stuff in many states to frighten people into not voting. When you're talking about the most vulnerable it's pretty easy.

Here's the deal right. Think about it logically. Mr FBLM is registered to vote in one place in the USA. When he turns up they cross him off the list (just like the UK). So for voter ID fraud to happen someone has to go to the polling station where they know Mr FBLM is registered to vote. They also need to know that Mr FBLM hasn't already voted and doesn't plan to. They then have to pretend to be Mr FBLM in order to cast one vote in the knowledge that if they were caught it's a felony with serious repercussions. The juice from that orange simply ain't worth the squeeze and IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. Anyone who claims otherwise is deluded and hasn't thought it through - or they're a republican politician looking to rig the system.

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

250 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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My experience is that the Drivers License as it is known in the USA is the primary form of identification.
It has been when I have taken aeroplane flights and when I voted last. It was when I paid by credit card and needed to show identification. It is used by millions of people who claim welfare.
So now that we know that everyone can use it it isn't unreasonable to require it be used.
The argument against using it is totally ridiculous, this is not a political issue but one of common sense.

rscott

14,690 posts

190 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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GavinPearson said:
My experience is that the Drivers License as it is known in the USA is the primary form of identification.
It has been when I have taken aeroplane flights and when I voted last. It was when I paid by credit card and needed to show identification. It is used by millions of people who claim welfare.
So now that we know that everyone can use it it isn't unreasonable to require it be used.
The argument against using it is totally ridiculous, this is not a political issue but one of common sense.
Except that not everyone has a driving licence. I posted a link earlier to an article showing the number of licences being issued has dropped significantly over the last 10 years. Less than 70% of younger voters have them.

easytiger123

2,591 posts

208 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/don...

First poll showing Trump ahead of Clinton.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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easytiger123 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/don...

First poll showing Trump ahead of Clinton.
It's gonna happen. President Trumpton.

So long as he's sorted out his ID he'll be fine.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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GavinPearson said:
My experience is that the Drivers License as it is known in the USA is the primary form of identification.
It has been when I have taken aeroplane flights and when I voted last. It was when I paid by credit card and needed to show identification. It is used by millions of people who claim welfare.
So now that we know that everyone can use it it isn't unreasonable to require it be used.
The argument against using it is totally ridiculous, this is not a political issue but one of common sense.
You are correct. But a social is needed for some things (that said, I have never needed to show my actual card for anything).

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Likes Fast Cars said:
So under the Un-Democratic party and a Billary presidency, the USA could apply to join the EU. Both are corrupt, oppressive, dishonest. A match made in heaven.
The US already shapes EU economic and military policies. Which explains a lot.

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

250 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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rscott said:
GavinPearson said:
My experience is that the Drivers License as it is known in the USA is the primary form of identification.
It has been when I have taken aeroplane flights and when I voted last. It was when I paid by credit card and needed to show identification. It is used by millions of people who claim welfare.
So now that we know that everyone can use it it isn't unreasonable to require it be used.
The argument against using it is totally ridiculous, this is not a political issue but one of common sense.
Except that not everyone has a driving licence. I posted a link earlier to an article showing the number of licences being issued has dropped significantly over the last 10 years. Less than 70% of younger voters have them.
Whether you drive or you don't it IS the nationally accepted form of identification. Every state has a non-driving driver's license. Personally I think that they should call them "State identification / Drivers license" but it amounts to the same thing.
The irony is that they're required to collect welfare and unemployment checks so the poorest people in society already have them and most states have a means of paying for them when the recipient has no spare cash.

Halb

Original Poster:

53,012 posts

182 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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This really is a brilliant watch for anyone who seriously thinks voter ID is a crime.
31 incidences out of over 1 billion?
Republicans admitting that voter ID laws helped them whittle down Obama's massive lead?
There is one major reason why GoP legislators want voter ID laws, and it isn't the statistically invisible cases of genuine voter ID fraud. biggrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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I'm sure unrepentant will be awake soon to clarify this latest poll....


dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Jockman said:
I'm sure unrepentant will be awake soon to clarify this latest poll....

He does like to correct the record!

Countdown

39,687 posts

195 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Halb said:
This really is a brilliant watch for anyone who seriously thinks voter ID is a crime.
31 incidences out of over 1 billion?
Republicans admitting that voter ID laws helped them whittle down Obama's massive lead?
There is one major reason why GoP legislators want voter ID laws, and it isn't the statistically invisible cases of genuine voter ID fraud. biggrin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto
rofl

To sum up, you can have Voter ID as long as you can provide your original birth certificate, your original social security card, and your husband's original death certificate..... seems pretty straightforward to me.

Even here in the UK, surely everybody has their original birth certificate and their original NI card...no?

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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unrepentant said:
Cletus doesn't vote.
This doesn't upset you as much as Jamal not voting, any reason why?

Countdown

39,687 posts

195 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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dudleybloke said:
unrepentant said:
Cletus doesn't vote.
This doesn't upset you as much as Jamal not voting, any reason why?
If you watch the video that Halb posted up you'll see the Republicans admitting that Voter ID laws are aimed at Democratic voters, regardless of whether they're black or white.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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easytiger123 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/don...

First poll showing Trump ahead of Clinton.
Oh dear, Hillary will be suicidal if she manages to clinch defeat from the jaws of victory against someone like Trump. I feel sorry for her advisors and staff members - even when things are going well she has a reputation of going a bit psycho so one wonders what she'll be like if this contest actually gets close. In her mind she feels she has a God-given right to be POTUS.


Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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So they've been kneck 'n kneck a few times before.

What then caused Trump to slump and Hilary to soar after each occasion?
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