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Jimbeaux said:
Do give it a rest. The Clinton foundation is a giant scam, for the Clinton's self enrichment. An example is Haiti. I have visited there 11 times over the last three years. I hear, from those on the ground that actually network day to day, of how the Clintons used the disaster of 2010 to raise money, most of which went "elsewhere" and not Haiti. The money going to Haiti is All U.S. or U.N. combined government funds. Don't try to tell me differently unless you were there, on the ground, with the U.S. AID organization as I have been.
There you go editing again.Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 30th June 16:06
The Clinton Foundation is a scam huh? I think you know nothing of what you speak. The donors to the Clinton Foundations include the great and the good. Bill Gates has given over $25 million. Do you think Bill Gates is a scam artist or a fool? Michael Schumacher gave a multi million dollar donation. The Government of the Netherlands? Scammers? How about the Princess Diana memorial Fund? The Elton John Aids Foundation? Back in my UK days I knew and did business for many years with Sir Tom Hunter. Tom's a great guy, a Scottish legend who is a great businessman and is one of Britain's biggest philanthropists. He worked extensively with Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation and has put $20 million into a joint initiative in Rwanda. You think Tom Hunter is a scammer? You're deluded. Seriously, your hatred of the Clinton's has warped your mind.
Halb said:
Jimbeaux said:
He was warned? Is that your response? Laughable. Frothing? no, edited for fatfingering the keyboard, if that's quite alright with you. 
Cut back on those doughnuts, Jim. 
It's Mango & oatmeal smoothies nowadays! 
Certain "vowel" buttons are crapping out on the ole' keyboard though. unrepentant said:
....Back in my UK days I knew and did business for many years with Sir Tom Hunter. Tom's a great guy, a Scottish legend who is a great businessman and is one of Britain's biggest philanthropists...
And he saved my old club Hibs FC.Reminds you a wee bit of Carnegie?
And us Jocks are meant to be tight?
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
Do give it a rest. The Clinton foundation is a giant scam, for the Clinton's self enrichment. An example is Haiti. I have visited there 11 times over the last three years. I hear, from those on the ground that actually network day to day, of how the Clintons used the disaster of 2010 to raise money, most of which went "elsewhere" and not Haiti. The money going to Haiti is All U.S. or U.N. combined government funds. Don't try to tell me differently unless you were there, on the ground, with the U.S. AID organization as I have been.
There you go editing again.Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 30th June 16:06
The Clinton Foundation is a scam huh? I think you know nothing of what you speak. The donors to the Clinton Foundations include the great and the good. Bill Gates has given over $25 million. Do you think Bill Gates is a scam artist or a fool? Michael Schumacher gave a multi million dollar donation. The Government of the Netherlands? Scammers? How about the Princess Diana memorial Fund? The Elton John Aids Foundation? Back in my UK days I knew and did business for many years with Sir Tom Hunter. Tom's a great guy, a Scottish legend who is a great businessman and is one of Britain's biggest philanthropists. He worked extensively with Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation and has put $20 million into a joint initiative in Rwanda. You think Tom Hunter is a scammer? You're deluded. Seriously, your hatred of the Clinton's has warped your mind.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 30th June 16:37
Jimbeaux said:
I said nothing of those people, very kind of them to donate. I was speaking of what the Clinrons did with that money that was given by people of good intentions. Yes, IMO they are frauds and scammers, period. I hate no one, only criminal acts. As for accusations of one-sided blind hated, you may want to reflect upon that a bit.
"People of good intentions?" You patronizing fool. These are smart people, smarter than you and me. They don't just "donate". People like the Gates's and Tom Hunter work with the Foundation.The Clinton's have put their own cash and masses and masses of their very valuable time into the foundation and have done great good works around the world. Has it all gone smoothly? Of course not. When you're dealing with war zones, dictatorships and poverty stricken countries nothing is smooth. The fact is though that they have invested and achieved a great deal while others have sat on their money and done nothing.
Take a look sometime at the donors to the Clinton Foundation. Companies? Sure. Banks? Sure. Foreign Governments? Sure. Just like any charity they work hard to raise funds. If a bank offers to put $250k in the foundation in return for a speech a speech should be given. This is a charity after all. Look also at the masses of philanthropists and other charitable institutions who have donated to and worked with the foundation. Smart, informed and savvy people, not "well intentioned" ingénues.
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
I said nothing of those people, very kind of them to donate. I was speaking of what the Clinrons did with that money that was given by people of good intentions. Yes, IMO they are frauds and scammers, period. I hate no one, only criminal acts. As for accusations of one-sided blind hated, you may want to reflect upon that a bit.
"People of good intentions?" You patronizing fool. These are smart people, smarter than you and me. They don't just "donate". People like the Gates's and Tom Hunter work with the Foundation.The Clinton's have put their own cash and masses and masses of their very valuable time into the foundation and have done great good works around the world. Has it all gone smoothly? Of course not. When you're dealing with war zones, dictatorships and poverty stricken countries nothing is smooth. The fact is though that they have invested and achieved a great deal while others have sat on their money and done nothing.
Take a look sometime at the donors to the Clinton Foundation. Companies? Sure. Banks? Sure. Foreign Governments? Sure. Just like any charity they work hard to raise funds. If a bank offers to put $250k in the foundation in return for a speech a speech should be given. This is a charity after all. Look also at the masses of philanthropists and other charitable institutions who have donated to and worked with the foundation. Smart, informed and savvy people, not "well intentioned" ingénues.
Jimbeaux said:
Listen to yourself. I really am not angry with you as much as I feel sorry for you. Continue to march though.
You have no place being angry or sorry with me. You're nobody to me. In any event why would you feel sorry for me? I'm on the winning side again, just like I was in 2012 when you pontificated long and often for the last loser you supported. I don't feel sorry for you even though you're having to support the indefensible. I guess if I were to give it thought, which I'd prefer not to, I'd probably feel sorry for your family, it can't be easy for them.boxxob said:
As a percentage, how much of the money they have raised (including the interest) has been directly spent on charitable causes?
"You have to be careful to avoid actual and potential conflicts of interest"
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/06/14/bill-clin...
So no conflicts of interest and appearance of influence-buying have existed until now, until the situation where Hilary could be president?
Absolutely right that things would have to change when she is POTUS and of course they understand that. This isn't their first rodeo. "You have to be careful to avoid actual and potential conflicts of interest"
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/06/14/bill-clin...
So no conflicts of interest and appearance of influence-buying have existed until now, until the situation where Hilary could be president?
boxxob said:
Ah, so Secretary of State is OK, but as President it all changes? Have that figure, yet?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-go...
Yes, it's different. And the Foundation has been Bill's work since leaving office. I have no idea on the figure, I'm not connected to the Clinton's or the Foundation but I'm sure it's available if you look for it.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-go...
unrepentant said:
boxxob said:
Ah, so Secretary of State is OK, but as President it all changes? Have that figure, yet?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-go...
Yes, it's different. And the Foundation has been Bill's work since leaving office. I have no idea on the figure, I'm not connected to the Clinton's or the Foundation but I'm sure it's available if you look for it.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/foreign-go...
Two simultaneous FBI investigations involving HRC. Seriously, that doesn't strike you as odd? Not even slightly?
No politician is squeaky clean, but two simultaneous FBI investigations?! Come on.
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
When HRC receives donations from foreigners it's a bad thing.......
Trump begging foreigners for cash
No, it's when you receive money from foreigners while you are the SOS, the nation's chief diplomat. See the difference?Trump begging foreigners for cash
The post of SoS doesn't carry some special "Must not accept donations" badge. If the argument is that accepting donations may make one open to corruption then it applies to everybody.
Talk about hypocrisy.....
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
Listen to yourself. I really am not angry with you as much as I feel sorry for you. Continue to march though.
You have no place being angry or sorry with me. You're nobody to me. In any event why would you feel sorry for me? I'm on the winning side again, just like I was in 2012 when you pontificated long and often for the last loser you supported. I don't feel sorry for you even though you're having to support the indefensible. I guess if I were to give it thought, which I'd prefer not to, I'd probably feel sorry for your family, it can't be easy for them.unrepentant said:
boxxob said:
As a percentage, how much of the money they have raised (including the interest) has been directly spent on charitable causes?
"You have to be careful to avoid actual and potential conflicts of interest"
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/06/14/bill-clin...
So no conflicts of interest and appearance of influence-buying have existed until now, until the situation where Hilary could be president?
Absolutely right that things would have to change when she is POTUS and of course they understand that. This isn't their first rodeo. "You have to be careful to avoid actual and potential conflicts of interest"
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/06/14/bill-clin...
So no conflicts of interest and appearance of influence-buying have existed until now, until the situation where Hilary could be president?
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
When HRC receives donations from foreigners it's a bad thing.......
Trump begging foreigners for cash
No, it's when you receive money from foreigners while you are the SOS, the nation's chief diplomat. See the difference?Trump begging foreigners for cash
The post of SoS doesn't carry some special "Must not accept donations" badge. If the argument is that accepting donations may make one open to corruption then it applies to everybody.
Talk about hypocrisy.....
Jimbeaux said:
What? Taking money, from some governments not all that friendly, while seving as our top diplomat? One should not need "rules" to know better.
What on earth are you talking about? Hillary Clinton didn't do anything of the sort. The Clinton Foundation is not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was not working for or on behalf of the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State or prior to that time. The Clinton Foundation is a large and complex organization with a CEO, a president and 2000 employees. This isn't some Mom and Pop shop. The CEO of the Clinton Foundation is responsible for fund raising as is the CEO of any large charity or Non Profit. What, you think Donna Shalala picks up the phone and says "hey Mrs C, Unrep wants to donate ten quid, can I take it?" Ridiculous.unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
What? Taking money, from some governments not all that friendly, while seving as our top diplomat? One should not need "rules" to know better.
What on earth are you talking about? Hillary Clinton didn't do anything of the sort. The Clinton Foundation is not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was not working for or on behalf of the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State or prior to that time. 
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
What? Taking money, from some governments not all that friendly, while seving as our top diplomat? One should not need "rules" to know better.
What on earth are you talking about? Hillary Clinton didn't do anything of the sort. The Clinton Foundation is not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was not working for or on behalf of the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State or prior to that time. unrepentant said:
What on earth are you talking about? Hillary Clinton didn't do anything of the sort. The Clinton Foundation is not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was not working for or on behalf of the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State or prior to that time. The Clinton Foundation is a large and complex organization with a CEO, a president and 2000 employees. This isn't some Mom and Pop shop. The CEO of the Clinton Foundation is responsible for fund raising as is the CEO of any large charity or Non Profit. What, you think Donna Shalala picks up the phone and says "hey Mrs C, Unrep wants to donate ten quid, can I take it?" Ridiculous.
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