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Jimbeaux said:
That said, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, I have met and spent time around Mrs. Clinton twice in the 90s. She is obnoxious, overbearing, self important, rude to those around her, and possesses a volcanic temper. Some of that I witnessed, some was verified by the Air Force One crew that was in sequester during these visits. This was during Bill's administration, I shudder to think of her as number one. Many of these negative attributes may be attributable to Trump as well, if so, like I said, the worse from both parties.
I caught Sean Hannity on Fox News the other morning (it was very early and being awake at that time is due more to my cervical disc issues and meds rather than an unrepentant frothing love of Hillary). Sean had a 'retired' secret service fella on who has recently written a book about his time working in the WH.He was saying everything you have stated above. Allegedly she liked to throw bibles at 'secret service' staff, vases etc, gave Bill a black eye. Allegedly they (the secret service staff) had a special 'knock' for the Oval Room door when she was approaching if Bill was in there getting a 'Monica'.
In my mind you don't even have to hear these stories to realise what a horrible creature she is, it is so apparent from just watching her on the telly.
Jimbeaux said:
mikal83 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I am of the same line of thought but from the opposite perspective. I believe that the GOP would have been better served with Ben Carson or John Kasich. However, I believe Trump is a better alternative to Clinton; this is my opinion. I am not so much a Trump supporter as I am a Clinton blocker.
Trump better than Clinton. Yes he is.....at lots of things. A crook, a racist, a woman hater, a rapist, a tax dodger, a liar, a cheat, a fraud............lots of things "better" than Clinton.A crook, specify that example if you would. A liar, cheat, etc. Give examples. I caution you though, similar eaxamples for HRC are readily avaialble.
"Trump is racist"
googleit said:
In the 1990s, Trump was running into a problem getting his golf course approved by the local town council in Palm Beach, which was imposing restrictions on his bid.
So Trump shot back with maximum effect. As reported by the Washington Post’s Mary Jordan and Rosalind Helderman on Nov. 14, 2015: “Trump undercut his adversaries with a searing attack, claiming that local officials seemed to accept the established private clubs in town that had excluded Jews and blacks while imposing tough rules on his inclusive one.”
The Washington Post report continues, “Trump’s lawyer sent every member of the town council copies of two classic movies about discrimination: ‘A Gentleman’s Agreement,’ about a journalist who pretends to be Jewish to expose anti-Semitism, and ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’ about a white couple’s reaction to their daughter bringing home a black fiancé.”
Sometimes, in judging the character of an individual, it pays to see what people actually do when nobody’s really paying attention. When it came to segregation in the South at private, all-white country clubs, it might have been in Trump’s business interests to simply look the other way. Instead, Trump did the right thing and insisted on desegregation at his golf resort.
And he won.
"a woman hater, a rapist"So Trump shot back with maximum effect. As reported by the Washington Post’s Mary Jordan and Rosalind Helderman on Nov. 14, 2015: “Trump undercut his adversaries with a searing attack, claiming that local officials seemed to accept the established private clubs in town that had excluded Jews and blacks while imposing tough rules on his inclusive one.”
The Washington Post report continues, “Trump’s lawyer sent every member of the town council copies of two classic movies about discrimination: ‘A Gentleman’s Agreement,’ about a journalist who pretends to be Jewish to expose anti-Semitism, and ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’ about a white couple’s reaction to their daughter bringing home a black fiancé.”
Sometimes, in judging the character of an individual, it pays to see what people actually do when nobody’s really paying attention. When it came to segregation in the South at private, all-white country clubs, it might have been in Trump’s business interests to simply look the other way. Instead, Trump did the right thing and insisted on desegregation at his golf resort.
And he won.
Interesting. Let us not forget that Hillary defended a 40's male accused of raping a 12 year old girl, then laughed about it.
Also, all the women that have come forward with allegations that Bill Clinton raped and/or sexually abused them.
"a liar, a cheat, a fraud"
This is the most laughable of all. Hillary is the definition of corrupt. She will say and do anything for personal gain. The criticism, allegations and accusations against the Clintons literally spans decades. The list is ever-growing.
Beyond that, it's got absolutely f
k all to do with Trump, Sanders, or anyone else. Hillary is a despicable, indefensible specimen regardless of how good/bad her opposition is.mikal83 said:
Jimbeaux said:
mikal83 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I am of the same line of thought but from the opposite perspective. I believe that the GOP would have been better served with Ben Carson or John Kasich. However, I believe Trump is a better alternative to Clinton; this is my opinion. I am not so much a Trump supporter as I am a Clinton blocker.
Trump better than Clinton. Yes he is.....at lots of things. A crook, a racist, a woman hater, a rapist, a tax dodger, a liar, a cheat, a fraud............lots of things "better" than Clinton.Edited by mikal83 on Friday 1st July 17:01
A crook, specify that example if you would. A liar, cheat, etc. Give examples. I caution you though, similar eaxamples for HRC are readily avaialble.
Edited by mikal83 on Friday 1st July 21:03
amusingduck said:
Jimbeaux said:
mikal83 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I am of the same line of thought but from the opposite perspective. I believe that the GOP would have been better served with Ben Carson or John Kasich. However, I believe Trump is a better alternative to Clinton; this is my opinion. I am not so much a Trump supporter as I am a Clinton blocker.
Trump better than Clinton. Yes he is.....at lots of things. A crook, a racist, a woman hater, a rapist, a tax dodger, a liar, a cheat, a fraud............lots of things "better" than Clinton.A crook, specify that example if you would. A liar, cheat, etc. Give examples. I caution you though, similar eaxamples for HRC are readily avaialble.
"Trump is racist"
googleit said:
In the 1990s, Trump was running into a problem getting his golf course approved by the local town council in Palm Beach, which was imposing restrictions on his bid.
So Trump shot back with maximum effect. As reported by the Washington Post’s Mary Jordan and Rosalind Helderman on Nov. 14, 2015: “Trump undercut his adversaries with a searing attack, claiming that local officials seemed to accept the established private clubs in town that had excluded Jews and blacks while imposing tough rules on his inclusive one.”
The Washington Post report continues, “Trump’s lawyer sent every member of the town council copies of two classic movies about discrimination: ‘A Gentleman’s Agreement,’ about a journalist who pretends to be Jewish to expose anti-Semitism, and ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’ about a white couple’s reaction to their daughter bringing home a black fiancé.”
Sometimes, in judging the character of an individual, it pays to see what people actually do when nobody’s really paying attention. When it came to segregation in the South at private, all-white country clubs, it might have been in Trump’s business interests to simply look the other way. Instead, Trump did the right thing and insisted on desegregation at his golf resort.
And he won.
"a woman hater, a rapist"So Trump shot back with maximum effect. As reported by the Washington Post’s Mary Jordan and Rosalind Helderman on Nov. 14, 2015: “Trump undercut his adversaries with a searing attack, claiming that local officials seemed to accept the established private clubs in town that had excluded Jews and blacks while imposing tough rules on his inclusive one.”
The Washington Post report continues, “Trump’s lawyer sent every member of the town council copies of two classic movies about discrimination: ‘A Gentleman’s Agreement,’ about a journalist who pretends to be Jewish to expose anti-Semitism, and ‘Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner’ about a white couple’s reaction to their daughter bringing home a black fiancé.”
Sometimes, in judging the character of an individual, it pays to see what people actually do when nobody’s really paying attention. When it came to segregation in the South at private, all-white country clubs, it might have been in Trump’s business interests to simply look the other way. Instead, Trump did the right thing and insisted on desegregation at his golf resort.
And he won.
Interesting. Let us not forget that Hillary defended a 40's male accused of raping a 12 year old girl, then laughed about it.
Also, all the women that have come forward with allegations that Bill Clinton raped and/or sexually abused them.
"a liar, a cheat, a fraud"
This is the most laughable of all. Hillary is the definition of corrupt. She will say and do anything for personal gain. The criticism, allegations and accusations against the Clintons literally spans decades. The list is ever-growing.
Beyond that, it's got absolutely f
k all to do with Trump, Sanders, or anyone else. Hillary is a despicable, indefensible specimen regardless of how good/bad her opposition is.Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 2nd July 02:37
amusingduck said:
"a woman hater, a rapist"
Interesting. Let us not forget that Hillary defended a 40's male accused of raping a 12 year old girl, then laughed about it.
Christ there's some ignorant bInteresting. Let us not forget that Hillary defended a 40's male accused of raping a 12 year old girl, then laughed about it.
ks on this thread. At least try and have some understanding of how the system works if you're going to spout nonsense Grimley.http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-...
Countdown said:
Let's also remember that his comments just last month were disavowed as "the definition of racism" by the most senior member of his own party in congress!unrepentant said:
Countdown said:
Let's also remember that his comments just last month were disavowed as "the definition of racism" by the most senior member of his own party in congress!unrepentant said:
Christ there's some ignorant bks on this thread. At least try and have some understanding of how the system works if you're going to spout nonsense Grimley.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-...
ks on this thread. At least try and have some understanding of how the system works if you're going to spout nonsense Grimley.http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-...
On the very page you linked is a recording of HRC laughing about that case.
Recording of HRC said:
“Do you remember that case where I represented that guy? It was a fascinating case. […] The guy was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl. Of course he claimed that he didn’t. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs (laughter).”
So then. She defended a man who she knew had raped a 12 year old, smeared the victim by making the following untrue and unsubstantiated claims:“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,”
“I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
And laughed about it later on.
Countdown said:
We are referred to as "whites", does that make the "blacks" racist? Get over it. amusingduck said:
So then. She defended a man who she knew had raped a 12 year old, smeared the victim by making the following untrue and unsubstantiated claims:
“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,”
“I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
And laughed about it later on.
Defense counsel is required by law to defend her client to the best of her ability. Whether or not they are guilty is irrelevant Grimley. It's the law.“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,”
“I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
And laughed about it later on.
unrepentant said:
amusingduck said:
So then. She defended a man who she knew had raped a 12 year old, smeared the victim by making the following untrue and unsubstantiated claims:
“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,”
“I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
And laughed about it later on.
Defense counsel is required by law to defend her client to the best of her ability. Whether or not they are guilty is irrelevant Grimley. It's the law.“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,”
“I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body. Also that she exhibits an unusual stubbornness and temper when she does not get her way.”
And laughed about it later on.
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
We are referred to as "whites", does that make the "blacks" racist? Get over it. Suggesting he'd rather have Jews than black people counting his money, and being taken to court (twice) for not letting black people rent apartments is racist.
He's a racist prick. Defending him doesn't really put you in a good light.
unrepentant said:
Defense counsel is required by law to defend her client to the best of her ability. Whether or not they are guilty is irrelevant Grimley. It's the law.
True, but she was well within her rights to excuse herself from the case.She describes herself as "Wife, mom, grandma, women+kids advocate"
Call me crazy, but I would not expect someone who describes themself as a "woman and kids advocate" to defend someone who she knows is guilty of raping a 12 year old, to smear the victim, and then to laugh about the whole situation.
amusingduck said:
True, but she was well within her rights to excuse herself from the case.
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No she wasn't. When a judge instructs you to take a case you take it. Especially when you're a junior lawyer. Somebody represented Peter Sutcliffe, Somebody represented Timothy McVeigh. I'm sure they didn't want to but that's the job. Everybody gets a fair trial..
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