American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

[Sam All]

Countdown said:

unrepentant said:

Seriously, if you're in the UK watch a recording of this car crash of a speech. It's so bad it beggars belief. Any Americans or people of good faith around the world who may have been scared by the prospect of this moron becoming President will be sleeping a little easier tonight. There are not enough gullible fools in the US to get him close. All he did tonight is firm the resolve of those committed to ensure he never sets foot in the Oval Office and persuade the undecided to cast their vote elsewhere.

I used to think that but now I'm not so sure. The poll ratings seem quite close so it does seem that there's a substantial number of people who are willing to buy his snake-oil.

people of good faith, gullible fools

Most amusing post ever...snake-oil has been sold for centuries, plenty of it super venemous, and more subscribers each day. Billions in fact.

[Countdown]

Sam All said:

people of good faith,

Suggesting that Obama is unfit to rule because "he's a muslim" isn't good faith by any stretch of the imagination. It's vile bigotry and any decent GoP member would feel ashamed that this is what is being spouted by their candidate.

[unrepentant]

Countdown said:

unrepentant said:

Seriously, if you're in the UK watch a recording of this car crash of a speech. It's so bad it beggars belief. Any Americans or people of good faith around the world who may have been scared by the prospect of this moron becoming President will be sleeping a little easier tonight. There are not enough gullible fools in the US to get him close. All he did tonight is firm the resolve of those committed to ensure he never sets foot in the Oval Office and persuade the undecided to cast their vote elsewhere.

I used to think that but now I'm not so sure. The poll ratings seem quite close so it does seem that there's a substantial number of people who are willing to buy his snake-oil.

Ignore the polls right now. Once we get into September they start to have some meaning but even then you really need to look at about 8 states, the rest don't matter. The polls also get skewed by the likes of Rasmussen that are manipulated to make it look like the republican candidate is ahead even when they're getting crushed. Rasmussen said Romney would win right up to the day that he was beaten by 6 points.

[London424]

I do love JS...such a shame he's not on screens as much at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/mNiqpBNE9ik

[JagLover]

One commentator who realises who the speech is aimed at.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/donald-...

[unrepentant]

JagLover said:

One commentator who realises who the speech is aimed at.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/donald-...

Did he write that for Private Eye? It reads like a satirical piece. I don't recognize the America he describes nor the one that Trump attempted to portray last night. This is still an optimistic, forward thinking country and most of its citizenry are not the cowed, frightened, angry people portrayed by Trump or whoever Tim Stanley is.

[Esseesse]

Michael Moore: "TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN"

[JagLover]

unrepentant said:

Did he write that for Private Eye? It reads like a satirical piece. I don't recognize the America he describes nor the one that Trump attempted to portray last night. This is still an optimistic, forward thinking country and most of its citizenry are not the cowed, frightened, angry people portrayed by Trump or whoever Tim Stanley is.

67% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/us-ri...

56% think their children will be poorer than they are.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/28/news/economy/donal...

As one of those who have benefited from the age of globalisation you are not the target audience for Trump's campaign.

[unrepentant]

JagLover said:

unrepentant said:

Did he write that for Private Eye? It reads like a satirical piece. I don't recognize the America he describes nor the one that Trump attempted to portray last night. This is still an optimistic, forward thinking country and most of its citizenry are not the cowed, frightened, angry people portrayed by Trump or whoever Tim Stanley is.

67% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/us-ri...

56% think their children will be poorer than they are.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/28/news/economy/donal...

As one of those who have benefited from the age of globalisation you are not the target audience for Trump's campaign.

Many of those who have been polled lived through the crash of 08 and the economic uncertainty that followed it. They have witnessed global financial turmoil (although we in the US have been relatively unscathed compared to Europeans) and read and seen apocalyptic predictions relating to Greece, Brexit etc.. They've also been fed a non stop diet of gloom from the GOP ever since the day that Obama entered office even though the economic reality is somewhat different. It's not surprising that they take a gloomy view. Down on the ground I don't see it. People are worried about terrorism and crime for sure. So are those of you in Europe, we live in dangerous times. But America is well insulated from terrorist events which are incredibly rare here and crime, especially violent crime, has fallen in the past 8 years despite the lies that Trump peddles. Violent crime in the US has actually halved since 1991. All the economic indicators are good and people are spending. Key indicators like new home sales and new car sales are very positive and private sector employment has grown for 75 straight months. I don't know anyone who has lost a job through redundancy in the past 5 years. All the key indicators are heading in the right direction, America has come through the post 08 period in far better shape than most nations.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427758/carefu...

https://blog.dol.gov/tag/jobs-report/

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

Countdown said:

unrepentant said:

Seriously, if you're in the UK watch a recording of this car crash of a speech. It's so bad it beggars belief. Any Americans or people of good faith around the world who may have been scared by the prospect of this moron becoming President will be sleeping a little easier tonight. There are not enough gullible fools in the US to get him close. All he did tonight is firm the resolve of those committed to ensure he never sets foot in the Oval Office and persuade the undecided to cast their vote elsewhere.

I used to think that but now I'm not so sure. The poll ratings seem quite close so it does seem that there's a substantial number of people who are willing to buy his snake-oil.

Ignore the polls right now. Once we get into September they start to have some meaning but even then you really need to look at about 8 states, the rest don't matter. The polls also get skewed by the likes of Rasmussen that are manipulated to make it look like the republican candidate is ahead even when they're getting crushed. Rasmussen said Romney would win right up to the day that he was beaten by 6 points.

How about using Real Clear Politics; they average all polls, do they not?

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 22 July 15:24

[JagLover]

unrepentant said:

All the economic indicators are good and people are spending. Key indicators like new home sales and new car sales are very positive and private sector employment has grown for 75 straight months. I don't know anyone who has lost a job through redundancy in the past 5 years. All the key indicators are heading in the right direction, America has come through the post 08 period in far better shape than most nations.

You could say many of the same things about the UK but still part of the Brexit vote was a reaction against the direction the country is heading.

Overall GDP growth and private sector job creation is a poor indicator of prosperity in a country with a rising population.

GDP per head itself may again be a poor indicator of prosperity in a country with rising income and wealth inequalities.

The US and UK share both of these characteristics.

The gains from globalisation in the west are concentrated both by type of work and geographically. Those left behind are seeing living standards stagnate or fall and numbers so affected are growing.

Trump cannot wave a magic wand and make all this go away, but governments could have done far more to mitigate or prevent many of the trends seen since the mid nineties. Instead they chose to exacerbate them for the most part.

[amusingduck]

Countdown said:

Well, that's me convinced!

When you suggest that being a fraudlent racist bigot is equivalent to somebody who sent dodgy emails it weakens your case substantially i think.

Trump led the Birther movement for how long? And even to this day when he's asked about it he doesn't have the decency to apologise or admit he's wrong. And what he said about Sen. John McCain was just one of many derisible comments. But hey, Hillary sent some email from her private account.

"They're both the same" my left butt cheek!

"Sent dodgy emails" is almost as much of an understatement as "Bill Gates has a few bob".

Did you even follow the Email scandal? Did you actually watch the FBI Directors comments on the matter?

You are right. They are nowhere near the same. HRC compromised the nations security, and Trump said nasty things.

[scherzkeks]

Esseesse said:

Michael Moore: "TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN"

MM is a truth-teller with good instincts. While no one can predict the future, I think the chances of Trump winning are very, very high.

[bobbylondonuk]

I watched his speech last night. I tried to hear him out as if i was an ordinary working class American. He makes logical points but his language has been crude so far. In this speech however, his language has taken a slight turn towards the better. Hence the boredom in the speech as it is all stuff he has said before.

His points are quite simple.

illegal migration - stop, prevent by border control/construction, deportation
Law and Order, conservative judiciary
reverse globalisation deals & climate change levies - bring manufacturing back, prevent escalating cost of production in USA
provide equality of opportunity - do not provide freebies
foreign policy - stop fighting, make deals and let other people get their hands dirty
Military - rebuild, invest, provide best facilities for members & their family


this is the stuff that ordinary voters are buying into. all the leftie lovey dovey nonsense isnt selling anymore. Voters want a straight talking non nonsense approach. Trump is saying that he will manage USA like a corporate entity and do what is needed to arrive at a particular result.

none of us can judge 14mn people who voted him in the primaries across the whole of USA. if we did, we are the morons.

[Sam All]

amusingduck said:

Countdown said:

Well, that's me convinced!

When you suggest that being a fraudlent racist bigot is equivalent to somebody who sent dodgy emails it weakens your case substantially i think.

Trump led the Birther movement for how long? And even to this day when he's asked about it he doesn't have the decency to apologise or admit he's wrong. And what he said about Sen. John McCain was just one of many derisible comments. But hey, Hillary sent some email from her private account.

"They're both the same" my left butt cheek!

"Sent dodgy emails" is almost as much of an understatement as "Bill Gates has a few bob".

Did you even follow the Email scandal? Did you actually watch the FBI Directors comments on the matter?

You are right. They are nowhere near the same. HRC compromised the nations security, and Trump said nasty things.

If Trump started saying good things about some groups, and more so than Hilary, you'd see the the change in direction of the vitriol. The issues seem less important to some educated people.

[rscott]

JagLover said:

unrepentant said:

Did he write that for Private Eye? It reads like a satirical piece. I don't recognize the America he describes nor the one that Trump attempted to portray last night. This is still an optimistic, forward thinking country and most of its citizenry are not the cowed, frightened, angry people portrayed by Trump or whoever Tim Stanley is.

67% of Americans think the country is on the wrong track

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/us-ri...

56% think their children will be poorer than they are.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/28/news/economy/donal...

As one of those who have benefited from the age of globalisation you are not the target audience for Trump's campaign.

Over 40% of Americans believe in Creationsim, not evolution...

[Countdown]

amusingduck said:

"Sent dodgy emails" is almost as much of an understatement as "Bill Gates has a few bob".

Did you even follow the Email scandal? Did you actually watch the FBI Directors comments on the matter?

You are right. They are nowhere near the same. HRC compromised the nations security, and Trump said nasty things.

Trump doesn't just say nasty things. He lies and he lies repeatedly. The gullible and the stupid (have a look at the education levels of the people who vote for him) take his lies at face value. He's currently being sued for fraud. He's been bankrupt more than once and accused of rape by his ex-wife.

At least we agree that they are nowhere near the same.

[Sam All]

Countdown said:

amusingduck said:

"Sent dodgy emails" is almost as much of an understatement as "Bill Gates has a few bob".

Did you even follow the Email scandal? Did you actually watch the FBI Directors comments on the matter?

You are right. They are nowhere near the same. HRC compromised the nations security, and Trump said nasty things.

Trump doesn't just say nasty things. He lies and he lies repeatedly. The gullible and the stupid (have a look at the education levels of the people who vote for him) take his lies at face value. He's currently being sued for fraud. He's been bankrupt more than once and accused of rape by his ex-wife.

At least we agree that they are nowhere near the same.

I am not convinced the American public trust Hilary's word more than Trump's. There is a stench around her. And yet I would not bet against her winning - against a traditional Republican candidate, she would lose.

[unrepentant]

Trump just can't let it go. He spent much of his closing event this morning, an event that was meant to be a thank you to his convention workers, lashing out at Ted Cruz. He now says he doesn't want Cruz's endorsement. Guess what Don, you ain't getting it!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/donald-trum...

[Countdown]

Who needs Ted when you have David?

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/22/12254854/david-duke-d...

An endoresemnt that Trumpy doesn't feel the need to turn down...