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Anyone who watched Cruz's speech and listened to the word God being repeated ad nauseum will have seen where he comes from and the audience he panders to.
And this " imagine in 2017 a new president signing legislation repealing every word of Obamacare". So Ted Cruz, who gets taxpayer funded Cadillac healthcare for his whole family, gets up every morning dreaming of removing basic healthcare from 16 million Americans who were previously denied it. What a
. Seriously what a .
On the plus side he has no chance of winning the nomination and whoever does has little chance of winning the presidency.
And this " imagine in 2017 a new president signing legislation repealing every word of Obamacare". So Ted Cruz, who gets taxpayer funded Cadillac healthcare for his whole family, gets up every morning dreaming of removing basic healthcare from 16 million Americans who were previously denied it. What a
. Seriously what a .On the plus side he has no chance of winning the nomination and whoever does has little chance of winning the presidency.
And THAT is what abso lutely pisses off every Democrat..in the US. The....you cant have what I've got...scenario. I know of several people that are still making monthly payments to hospitals/businesses years after ops emergencies etc, as they didn't have insurance. People in this country don't realize how lucky they are with the NHS.
mikal83 said:
And THAT is what abso lutely pisses off every Democrat..in the US. The....you cant have what I've got...scenario. I know of several people that are still making monthly payments to hospitals/businesses years after ops emergencies etc, as they didn't have insurance. People in this country don't realize how lucky they are with the NHS.
The biggest reason for bankruptcy in the US, by miles, is healthcare debt.Prior to Obamacare this is a real life scenario. Person has a heart condition from birth. Works for an employer who does not offer a group healthcare scheme. Is denied personal coverage by insurance providers in their state because of "pre existing conditions". Has stroke followed by heart attack. Receives bills for over $300k. Can no longer work full time due to effects of stroke so cannot pay the ludicrous bills even if they wanted to. Files bankruptcy. The good news is that they now qualify for medicare so are able to receive healthcare at a reasonable cost!
The system was a joke. The republicans wouldn't lift a finger to change it and now bleat that it's the "wrong solution". Meanwhile 16 million people are covered who weren't previously and it''s growing. The system is still not perfect, overcharging is still rife and the amounts spent are still preposterous but at least nobody can be denied coverage on the grounds that they might get sick.
unrepentant said:
The biggest reason for bankruptcy in the US, by miles, is healthcare debt.
Prior to Obamacare this is a real life scenario. Person has a heart condition from birth. Works for an employer who does not offer a group healthcare scheme. Is denied personal coverage by insurance providers in their state because of "pre existing conditions". Has stroke followed by heart attack. Receives bills for over $300k. Can no longer work full time due to effects of stroke so cannot pay the ludicrous bills even if they wanted to. Files bankruptcy. The good news is that they now qualify for medicare so are able to receive healthcare at a reasonable cost!
The system was a joke. The republicans wouldn't lift a finger to change it and now bleat that it's the "wrong solution". Meanwhile 16 million people are covered who weren't previously and it''s growing. The system is still not perfect, overcharging is still rife and the amounts spent are still preposterous but at least nobody can be denied coverage on the grounds that they might get sick.
Obamacare is a nightmare. All it is a cheap way to buy peoples votes, usually from those that don't work.Prior to Obamacare this is a real life scenario. Person has a heart condition from birth. Works for an employer who does not offer a group healthcare scheme. Is denied personal coverage by insurance providers in their state because of "pre existing conditions". Has stroke followed by heart attack. Receives bills for over $300k. Can no longer work full time due to effects of stroke so cannot pay the ludicrous bills even if they wanted to. Files bankruptcy. The good news is that they now qualify for medicare so are able to receive healthcare at a reasonable cost!
The system was a joke. The republicans wouldn't lift a finger to change it and now bleat that it's the "wrong solution". Meanwhile 16 million people are covered who weren't previously and it''s growing. The system is still not perfect, overcharging is still rife and the amounts spent are still preposterous but at least nobody can be denied coverage on the grounds that they might get sick.
In reality, the lower/middle income Americans, like myself and the others I work with are slammed with enormous insurance premiums and the insurance is largely useless - with huge deductibles and co-pay rates as high as 50% or even higher. Totally useless.
toohuge said:
Obamacare is a nightmare. All it is a cheap way to buy peoples votes, usually from those that don't work.
In reality, the lower/middle income Americans, like myself and the others I work with are slammed with enormous insurance premiums and the insurance is largely useless - with huge deductibles and co-pay rates as high as 50% or even higher. Totally useless.
Check out the annual profits that said insurance companies make and the amount they "donate" to various politicians. I think you'll see a link.In reality, the lower/middle income Americans, like myself and the others I work with are slammed with enormous insurance premiums and the insurance is largely useless - with huge deductibles and co-pay rates as high as 50% or even higher. Totally useless.
toohuge said:
unrepentant said:
The biggest reason for bankruptcy in the US, by miles, is healthcare debt.
Prior to Obamacare this is a real life scenario. Person has a heart condition from birth. Works for an employer who does not offer a group healthcare scheme. Is denied personal coverage by insurance providers in their state because of "pre existing conditions". Has stroke followed by heart attack. Receives bills for over $300k. Can no longer work full time due to effects of stroke so cannot pay the ludicrous bills even if they wanted to. Files bankruptcy. The good news is that they now qualify for medicare so are able to receive healthcare at a reasonable cost!
The system was a joke. The republicans wouldn't lift a finger to change it and now bleat that it's the "wrong solution". Meanwhile 16 million people are covered who weren't previously and it''s growing. The system is still not perfect, overcharging is still rife and the amounts spent are still preposterous but at least nobody can be denied coverage on the grounds that they might get sick.
Obamacare is a nightmare. All it is a cheap way to buy peoples votes, usually from those that don't work.Prior to Obamacare this is a real life scenario. Person has a heart condition from birth. Works for an employer who does not offer a group healthcare scheme. Is denied personal coverage by insurance providers in their state because of "pre existing conditions". Has stroke followed by heart attack. Receives bills for over $300k. Can no longer work full time due to effects of stroke so cannot pay the ludicrous bills even if they wanted to. Files bankruptcy. The good news is that they now qualify for medicare so are able to receive healthcare at a reasonable cost!
The system was a joke. The republicans wouldn't lift a finger to change it and now bleat that it's the "wrong solution". Meanwhile 16 million people are covered who weren't previously and it''s growing. The system is still not perfect, overcharging is still rife and the amounts spent are still preposterous but at least nobody can be denied coverage on the grounds that they might get sick.
In reality, the lower/middle income Americans, like myself and the others I work with are slammed with enormous insurance premiums and the insurance is largely useless - with huge deductibles and co-pay rates as high as 50% or even higher. Totally useless.
You're completely wrong of course. The reality is that the VAST majority of us have healthcare schemes provided by our employers and are unaffected by the ACA. For those that were unable previously to buy work place insurance or those that were refused through the "Pre existing condition" clause the ACA has provided a lifeline and that is reflected by the fact that over 16 million have signed up. The very poor, "those that don't work" as you refer to them are also unaffected as they get Medicaid and pay nothing.
Mrr T said:
unrepentant said:
Mrr T said:
Considering the Hilary has admitted she illegally used a private email address the whole time she was SOS; and has handed over transcripts of what looks like only a small number of her emails from that period. Which would also be illegal, it looks as if anyone can run.
It wasn't illegal, they turned over tens of thousands of emails and only kept back personal ones, all emails to officials are automatically stored, no classified information is involved. It's a non story. And her name's spelled Hillary, remember it, she's the next leader of the free world..She says she has released 30k emails; know one knows yet since the release is hard copy only. This is about 20 emails per day. Well below the average in business of 147 per day.
She said she has deleted about 30k as they where personal and that no confidential material was sent. She would say that of cause.
Its only a non story because she a Democrat.
Lets hope our American friends vote for some one else.
Ted Cruz - How I gave up listening to rock music after 9/11.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/ted-cruz-roc...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/ted-cruz-roc...
unrepentant said:
According to your profile you live in Cambridgeshire....
You're completely wrong of course. The reality is that the VAST majority of us have healthcare schemes provided by our employers and are unaffected by the ACA. For those that were unable previously to buy work place insurance or those that were refused through the "Pre existing condition" clause the ACA has provided a lifeline and that is reflected by the fact that over 16 million have signed up. The very poor, "those that don't work" as you refer to them are also unaffected as they get Medicaid and pay nothing.
I live in Atlanta, GA.... We moved out to the US in February 2013, my apologies for not updating my profile.... You're completely wrong of course. The reality is that the VAST majority of us have healthcare schemes provided by our employers and are unaffected by the ACA. For those that were unable previously to buy work place insurance or those that were refused through the "Pre existing condition" clause the ACA has provided a lifeline and that is reflected by the fact that over 16 million have signed up. The very poor, "those that don't work" as you refer to them are also unaffected as they get Medicaid and pay nothing.
It is interesting.... there are a huge amount of people without affordable health insurance. Many democrats refuse to believe that this is the case and anyone who doesn't have affordable healthcare is simply misguided or wrong. That is not the case.
The cost burden on small businesses is enormous - ours simply cannot afford it - so what are we to do? Try speaking to those that live paycheque to paycheque and you will find a huge number have massively high insurance premiums, with large deductibles and relatively limited cover. They feel that the insurance is largely useless due to the high deductibles - a policy with a smaller decidable is simply not affordable.
toohuge said:
It is interesting.... there are a huge amount of people without affordable health insurance. Many democrats refuse to believe that this is the case and anyone who doesn't have affordable healthcare is simply misguided or wrong. That is not the case.
The cost burden on small businesses is enormous - ours simply cannot afford it - so what are we to do? Try speaking to those that live paycheque to paycheque and you will find a huge number have massively high insurance premiums, with large deductibles and relatively limited cover. They feel that the insurance is largely useless due to the high deductibles - a policy with a smaller decidable is simply not affordable.
Ok, let's cut the hype.The cost burden on small businesses is enormous - ours simply cannot afford it - so what are we to do? Try speaking to those that live paycheque to paycheque and you will find a huge number have massively high insurance premiums, with large deductibles and relatively limited cover. They feel that the insurance is largely useless due to the high deductibles - a policy with a smaller decidable is simply not affordable.
There are 16 million people who have healthcare today who didn't before the ACA. Many of those were simply unable to get coverage previously.
Define a small business. Businesses with less than 100 full time employees are totally exempt from the employer mandate. I'd say any business that has grown to over 100 full time employees and hasn't taken steps to provide healthcare for it's employees is not a business that I would want to work for.
Some (Republican) states have chosen not to operate healthcare exchanges and that makes healthcare less affordable in those states. (I think GA does have healthcare exchanges?)
People on lower incomes who don't qualify for Medicaid usually qualify for large subsidies.
High deductible policies are usually much more affordable and make much more sense for most people. The premiums are low but you are covered in the case of a serious illness as the amount you pay is capped at the deductible. So no more going bankrupt because you couldn't get coverage or because the crappy coverage you did buy had an artificial ceiling on payouts.
This Tez Cruz character keeps popping up all over my fb feed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#Political_p...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#Political_p...
unrepentant said:
toohuge said:
^^^^We'll have to agree to disagree 
No offense but that's the usual response from the right. You spout BS, I give cold hard facts, you say we'll have to agree to disagree. 
There's little point in arguing on the internet between two groups that hold vastly different views. It benefits no one. Each side will (quite rightly so) call BS at the other and we go round and round in circles.
In this thread, we can see your support for the Democrats and possibly Hillary - ok great. Not all of us have that opinion but that's no excuse for either side to belittle those with opposing views.
Corpulent Tosser said:
But is he deluded or a liar?
His denial of evolution, particularly saying he doesn't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what’s right and wrong, just appeared. But he has enough faith to believe a sky pixie created it all 'as is'
So at least in my opinion he is either lying to appease the republical voters or he is deluded, as he is clearly an intelligent man I think the former is more likely.
So it couldn't actually be a sincerely held belief in God? Or that he thinks holding and promoting this belief leads people to behave better?His denial of evolution, particularly saying he doesn't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what’s right and wrong, just appeared. But he has enough faith to believe a sky pixie created it all 'as is'
So at least in my opinion he is either lying to appease the republical voters or he is deluded, as he is clearly an intelligent man I think the former is more likely.
To claim this makes him either deluded or dishonest seems extremely arrogant and intolerant.
I fail to see how everyone having affordable health insurance is bad. Left or right wing. IF there is a better way that insurance is available to all citizens, then please come out with it. You don't have to knock down a dam and rebuild it when all you have to do is stick your finger in the hole!
mikal83 said:
I fail to see how everyone having affordable health insurance is bad. Left or right wing. IF there is a better way that insurance is available to all citizens, then please come out with it. You don't have to knock down a dam and rebuild it when all you have to do is stick your finger in the hole!
Well put. I see the Reps argument as being a fundamentally selfish one on this issue. I'm rich, I'm alright, it's your fault you're not rich and not alright.For something as fundamental as basic health care the lottery of who your parents were is a harsh way to decide if someone gets to live. Equally we cannot trust to unregulated capitalism to provide for all.
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