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unrepentant said:
Polls are meaningless right now. Trump will lose, it's just a question of by how much. He got a small bounce from his convention which is shocking considering what a cluster it was. I guess he can thank Don Jr and Ivanka for that. He can win 100% of Tennessee and Alabama and Mississippi but he needs to win in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin and Virginia and a number of other states or he cannot prevail. He's way behind in Florida where the Bush and Rubio supporters will probably stay home if they don't vote for Clinton or Johnson, Tim Kaine should guarantee that Trump loses Virginia and his chances in Ohio, a state that no republican president has ever lost, probably went down the toilet when he decided to go to war with Kasich last week. If he gets more than 200 electoral college votes I'll be surprised and given what's going to play out over the next 3 months he could be reduced to a rotten core of around 150.
In case anyone missed it the latest desperate attempt by the Trump camp to get the Trump University case dismissed failed Saturday. We're going to hear a lot about how thousands of people were defrauded out of their life savings by Trump and his Ponzi scheme over the next few months. What was it the NY state attorney said about it. Oh yeah, he said it was a "straight up fraud".
Will Trump win any purple states?In case anyone missed it the latest desperate attempt by the Trump camp to get the Trump University case dismissed failed Saturday. We're going to hear a lot about how thousands of people were defrauded out of their life savings by Trump and his Ponzi scheme over the next few months. What was it the NY state attorney said about it. Oh yeah, he said it was a "straight up fraud".
Jimbeaux said:
I find it an amusing sidenote that Obama's brother (half brother) Malik has endorsed Trump for POTUS. :hehe. Malik does have some strange views so not much of an endorsement IMO, but humorous nonetheless. 
"not much of an endorsement"?? 
Apparently he feels republican because he is against same-sex marriage and also because Obama and Hillary got rid of "his friend Gaddafi".... He also appears to be involved in some underhand financial shenanigans so it's not hard to see why he admires Trump 
Esseesse said:
Trump now has a 0.2% lead... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...
Given thr clusterf
k the GOP conference was, the fact that Trump has ended up in the lead is quite significant, I think.Countdown said:
Esseesse said:
Trump now has a 0.2% lead... http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...
Given thr clusterfk the GOP conference was, the fact that Trump has ended up in the lead is quite significant, I think.Certain DNC officials are claiming that Russia helped to hack the DNC emails! You can't make this stuff up. I would point out that, if they had never been written in the first place, nobody would have been able to hack them. Deliberatly working to rig the nomination is a total afront to the charter (law) of the DNC. Someone exposing that wrongdoing is less felonious than than the wrongdoing itself I would think.
I would point out that, if they had never been written in the first place, nobody would have been able to hack them. Deliberatly working to rig the nomination is a total afront to the charter (law) of the DNC. Someone exposing that wrongdoing is less felonious than than the wrongdoing itself I would think.Jimbeaux said:
Certain DNC officials are claiming that Russia helped to hack the DNC emails! You can't make this stuff up. I would point out that, if they had never been written in the first place, nobody would have been able to hack them. Deliberatly working to rig the nomination is a total afront to the charter (law) of the DNC. Someone exposing that wrongdoing is less felonious than than the wrongdoing itself I would think.
But don't forget that Hilary's deleted emails couldn't possibly have been hacked I would point out that, if they had never been written in the first place, nobody would have been able to hack them. Deliberatly working to rig the nomination is a total afront to the charter (law) of the DNC. Someone exposing that wrongdoing is less felonious than than the wrongdoing itself I would think.
And in funny viewing this morning
https://twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/7575682...
Jimbeaux said:
It now appears that the 20,000 strong batch of DNC emails also includes Donna Brazile mocking Sanders. So, the woman they tapped to quickly relace DWS is herself toxic to the Bernie crowd. More fun to come.
Bernie was interviewed about this on CNN. His response was that Clinton/Kaine on their worst day was 100 times better than Trump on his best day. A CNN poll showed 57% of Bernie supporters voting Clinton and <5% voting Trump.IIRC a Democratic spokesman suggested it was Russian hackers who were behind the leaking of emails. One can only wonder why they would do that
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
It now appears that the 20,000 strong batch of DNC emails also includes Donna Brazile mocking Sanders. So, the woman they tapped to quickly relace DWS is herself toxic to the Bernie crowd. More fun to come.
Bernie was interviewed about this on CNN. His response was that Clinton/Kaine on their worst day was 100 times better than Trump on his best day. A CNN poll showed 57% of Bernie supporters voting Clinton and <5% voting Trump.IIRC a Democratic spokesman suggested it was Russian hackers who were behind the leaking of emails. One can only wonder why they would do that
Donna Brazile is an icon of the left and very popular and respected amongst all democrats. She's also one of the few good things to come out of Louisiana.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
It now appears that the 20,000 strong batch of DNC emails also includes Donna Brazile mocking Sanders. So, the woman they tapped to quickly relace DWS is herself toxic to the Bernie crowd. More fun to come.
Bernie was interviewed about this on CNN. His response was that Clinton/Kaine on their worst day was 100 times better than Trump on his best day. A CNN poll showed 57% of Bernie supporters voting Clinton and <5% voting Trump.IIRC a Democratic spokesman suggested it was Russian hackers who were behind the leaking of emails. One can only wonder why they would do that
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
It now appears that the 20,000 strong batch of DNC emails also includes Donna Brazile mocking Sanders. So, the woman they tapped to quickly relace DWS is herself toxic to the Bernie crowd. More fun to come.
Bernie was interviewed about this on CNN. His response was that Clinton/Kaine on their worst day was 100 times better than Trump on his best day. A CNN poll showed 57% of Bernie supporters voting Clinton and <5% voting Trump.IIRC a Democratic spokesman suggested it was Russian hackers who were behind the leaking of emails. One can only wonder why they would do that
Jimbeaux said:
IMO, Bernie has little control over the followers of his movement. I agree, the majority will not vote for Trump, however, a great deal may well stay home on voting day due to the latest scandal.
Nasty emails aren't a "scandal"...Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
IMO, Bernie has little control over the followers of his movement. I agree, the majority will not vote for Trump, however, a great deal may well stay home on voting day due to the latest scandal.
Nasty emails aren't a "scandal"...A scandal is the guy coming second telling his people to vote for whoever their conscience tells them to (Cruz). A scandal is being sued in a class action lawsuit by 3,500 people for fraud. A scandal is going into chapter 11 six times then claiming business credentials. A scandal is deliberately and repeatedly not paying employees and suppliers and being involved in over 5,000 separate lawsuits, many for just that reason. A scandal is using racist, sexist and demeaning language nearly every day of your life. Trump is the definition of scandal.
mikal83 said:
Jimbeaux said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
It now appears that the 20,000 strong batch of DNC emails also includes Donna Brazile mocking Sanders. So, the woman they tapped to quickly relace DWS is herself toxic to the Bernie crowd. More fun to come.
Bernie was interviewed about this on CNN. His response was that Clinton/Kaine on their worst day was 100 times better than Trump on his best day. A CNN poll showed 57% of Bernie supporters voting Clinton and <5% voting Trump.IIRC a Democratic spokesman suggested it was Russian hackers who were behind the leaking of emails. One can only wonder why they would do that
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
IMO, Bernie has little control over the followers of his movement. I agree, the majority will not vote for Trump, however, a great deal may well stay home on voting day due to the latest scandal.
Nasty emails aren't a "scandal"...unrepentant said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
IMO, Bernie has little control over the followers of his movement. I agree, the majority will not vote for Trump, however, a great deal may well stay home on voting day due to the latest scandal.
Nasty emails aren't a "scandal"...A scandal is the guy coming second telling his people to vote for whoever their conscience tells them to (Cruz). A scandal is being sued in a class action lawsuit by 3,500 people for fraud. A scandal is going into chapter 11 six times then claiming business credentials. A scandal is deliberately and repeatedly not paying employees and suppliers and being involved in over 5,000 separate lawsuits, many for just that reason. A scandal is using racist, sexist and demeaning language nearly every day of your life. Trump is the definition of scandal.
Meanwhile, CNN reports:
"The morning Florida delegate meeting descended into chaos when Wasserman Schultz took the stage, with critics holding up signs with the word "emails," and Sanders supporters booing the congresswoman loudly, even after she began speaking."
Yes indeed, all is running very smoothly.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 25th July 21:52
Jimbeaux said:
Not normally; however, when the DNC's job is an impartial nomination, yet emails show they favored a candidate from the start, that is a different hing altogether. The GOP did the same thing but just weren't good enough to keep the outsider out.
Rubbish, the DNC is made up of party activists. Perfectly reasonable for them to want a lifelong democrat to win the nomination. Personally I don't think Sanders should have been allowed to run at all given that he's not even a registered democrat. He should have run as the independent he's spent the last 40 proclaiming himself to be. The large majority of genuine democrats voted for HRC, much of Sanders support came from non members. When my voting form comes round for the MCC committee I get a choice of fellow members to vote for. They don't offer me the alternative of voting for some bloke from the International Darts Federation.
unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
Not normally; however, when the DNC's job is an impartial nomination, yet emails show they favored a candidate from the start, that is a different hing altogether. The GOP did the same thing but just weren't good enough to keep the outsider out.
Rubbish, the DNC is made up of party activists. Perfectly reasonable for them to want a lifelong democrat to win the nomination. Personally I don't think Sanders should have been allowed to run at all given that he's not even a registered democrat. He should have run as the independent he's spent the last 40 proclaiming himself to be. The large majority of genuine democrats voted for HRC, much of Sanders support came from non members. When my voting form comes round for the MCC committee I get a choice of fellow members to vote for. They don't offer me the alternative of voting for some bloke from the International Darts Federation.
Jimbeaux said:
But he was allowed to run and registered Dems, by the millions voted for him. The supposed impartial process to allow those registered Dem voters to choose a candidate was proven to be biased by the emails of the very people charged with being impartial. You call it rubbish, but millions do not, including a very loud and unhappy bunch on the DNC Convention floor.
Rubbish. The DNC sets the rules and they stuck to the rules that they set. Individuals are perfectly at liberty to root for whomsoever they like. A large part of Sanders vote didn't even come from registered democrats, don't you get that?Everything is going to calm down, DWS has gone, Donna Brazile is loved by everyone and Bernie is going to speak tonight and tell his people to get behind the nominee.
What everyone forgets is that there were far more Clinton supporters in 2008 who said they would never vote for Obama (but who did) than there are Bernie Bots and the Clintonites were actually registered democrats!
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