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unrepentant said:
God the difference between the anger and darkness of last week and the optimism of this is quite stark. Elizabeth Banks did a very funny skit ripping the piss out of Trump's entrance last week. This time Queen are happy for "We are the champions" to be used. Interesting that while Trump had to scrape the barrel to get retreads who nobody could remember like Scott Baio to speak at his convention the likes of Banks, Meryl Streep, Katy Perry, Lena Dunham, Demi Lovato, Eva Longoria and others are lining up to speak for Hillary. Then there's President Obama, Michelle Obama, President Clinton, Madeline Albright, President Carter, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker etc....
Big Dog speaking now, very moving, excellent speech.
More arrests this week too.Big Dog speaking now, very moving, excellent speech.
Jockman said:
whoami said:
fblm said:
That should lose her a few of Bernies supporters.
Spoke to an ex-colleague today in NY. He remarked at a family gathering at the weekend that maybe Trump wouldn't be the complete disaster everyone was predicting and everyone would just have to make the best of it if he won. His own family said he must be thick or racist to say that! He is neither of course. Reminded me of another recent election where people got fed up being called thick and racist... this could all go horribly wrong!
There are obviously remarkable similarities.Spoke to an ex-colleague today in NY. He remarked at a family gathering at the weekend that maybe Trump wouldn't be the complete disaster everyone was predicting and everyone would just have to make the best of it if he won. His own family said he must be thick or racist to say that! He is neither of course. Reminded me of another recent election where people got fed up being called thick and racist... this could all go horribly wrong!
The same protagonists on here too. I wonder if they will lose for a 2nd time?
Smugness bit a lot of people in the bum (CMD, GO etc) and cost them a referendum.
Exclude George Bush Snr (single term) and it seems a long time since America voted for more than 2 terms of a Dem / Rep President.
Countdown said:
Worrying (well, if you're a #NeverTrump) but I still refuse to believe there are enough thick people voting for Trump.
Mencken said:
“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
He continued
“The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly.”
He continued
“The mistake that is made always runs the other way. Because the plain people are able to speak and understand, and even, in many cases, to read and write, it is assumed that they have ideas in their heads, and an appetite for more. This assumption is a folly.”
amusingduck said:
Compare that highly polished, rehearsed DNC video to this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XfYpOQaJy0
I know which evokes a stronger emotional reaction for me.
Indeed, a very emotional tribute from Ambassador Steven's mum. However it is just her opinion, and not one that even members of her family agree with. For examplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XfYpOQaJy0
I know which evokes a stronger emotional reaction for me.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/30...
It's not also clear whether what she is accusing Hillary of is actually true.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/20...
t they're doing, they'd be faring better amusingduck said:
Countdown said:
Even when HRC's ratings are at a record low, Trump's are even lower.... 
Not any more...http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/1940...
J4CKO said:
An American lady was explaining the process to me and was fairly confident that Trump wont win due to the whole "Electoral College" thing, not read the whole thread, is she right or disillusion ? she says it helps her sleep at night knowing he is unlikely to win.
Well the electoral collage, a bit like super delegates it even delegates can do what they like with their votes. And it is possible for them to ignore the will of the people.But I reckon that would throw the US into chaos and the constitution would soon be revised.
MiniMan64 said:
If we've learnt anything recently it's that polls mean the square root of bugger all these days
No its that they don't adjust for the effect that the more toxic/stupid/racist one side is portrayed as, the fewer people will admit to pollsters that they are going to vote for them...fblm said:
MiniMan64 said:
If we've learnt anything recently it's that polls mean the square root of bugger all these days
No its that they don't adjust for the effect that the more toxic/stupid/racist one side is portrayed as, the fewer people will admit to pollsters that they are going to vote for them...fblm said:
MiniMan64 said:
If we've learnt anything recently it's that polls mean the square root of bugger all these days
No its that they don't adjust for the effect that the more toxic/stupid/racist one side is portrayed as, the fewer people will admit to pollsters that they are going to vote for them...Jockman said:
fblm said:
MiniMan64 said:
If we've learnt anything recently it's that polls mean the square root of bugger all these days
No its that they don't adjust for the effect that the more toxic/stupid/racist one side is portrayed as, the fewer people will admit to pollsters that they are going to vote for them...Halb said:
J4CKO said:
An American lady was explaining the process to me and was fairly confident that Trump wont win due to the whole "Electoral College" thing, not read the whole thread, is she right or disillusion ? she says it helps her sleep at night knowing he is unlikely to win.
Well the electoral collage, a bit like super delegates it even delegates can do what they like with their votes. And it is possible for them to ignore the will of the people.But I reckon that would throw the US into chaos and the constitution would soon be revised.
J4CKO's lady is right though. The electoral college map makes it very difficult for any republican to win the presidency, let alone Trump. Roughly 40 states are foregone conclusions (Clinton cannot win Tennessee, Trump cannot California etc..). Of the other 10 or so most lean towards the democrat and some of the GOP states, like Utah, which were previously considered to be GOP bankers have moved to toss up. Demographics have moved pretty rapidly against the right, the proportion of white men over 40 (the only demographic group republicans consistently win) is diminishing as a % of the population. The polls will go up and down but the demographics will not change.
Romney was leading after the first debate in 2012 (will Trump even debate?). Of the 12 swing states Obama ended up winning every one except NC and ended up winning the GE handily. I don't think it will happen but because of the likelihood of her winning most of the purple states Clinton could win the election while losing the popular vote.
unrepentant said:
It doesn't really work like that. Each state has a set number of electoral college "votes" and whoever wins that state gets those votes, period. If no candidate gets 270 it goes to the house and eventually to the senate. I don't believe that's ever happened, except in the recent series of Veep!
J4CKO's lady is right though. The electoral college map makes it very difficult for any republican to win the presidency, let alone Trump. Roughly 40 states are foregone conclusions (Clinton cannot win Tennessee, Trump cannot California etc..). Of the other 10 or so most lean towards the democrat and some of the GOP states, like Utah, which were previously considered to be GOP bankers have moved to toss up. Demographics have moved pretty rapidly against the right, the proportion of white men over 40 (the only demographic group republicans consistently win) is diminishing as a % of the population. The polls will go up and down but the demographics will not change.
Romney was leading after the first debate in 2012 (will Trump even debate?). Of the 12 swing states Obama ended up winning every one except NC and ended up winning the GE handily. I don't think it will happen but because of the likelihood of her winning most of the purple states Clinton could win the election while losing the popular vote.
Well, it's the electoral collage who votes for the american president, after looking at how their state votes. I thought what was being meant was, that the chances of voter revolt in the electoral college could happen and go against the will of the people in the states where Trump gets the the popular vote, in other words they could do what was in their power to, to vote for whomever they wish.J4CKO's lady is right though. The electoral college map makes it very difficult for any republican to win the presidency, let alone Trump. Roughly 40 states are foregone conclusions (Clinton cannot win Tennessee, Trump cannot California etc..). Of the other 10 or so most lean towards the democrat and some of the GOP states, like Utah, which were previously considered to be GOP bankers have moved to toss up. Demographics have moved pretty rapidly against the right, the proportion of white men over 40 (the only demographic group republicans consistently win) is diminishing as a % of the population. The polls will go up and down but the demographics will not change.
Romney was leading after the first debate in 2012 (will Trump even debate?). Of the 12 swing states Obama ended up winning every one except NC and ended up winning the GE handily. I don't think it will happen but because of the likelihood of her winning most of the purple states Clinton could win the election while losing the popular vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(U...
Edited by Halb on Wednesday 27th July 15:05
unrepentant said:
Halb said:
J4CKO said:
An American lady was explaining the process to me and was fairly confident that Trump wont win due to the whole "Electoral College" thing, not read the whole thread, is she right or disillusion ? she says it helps her sleep at night knowing he is unlikely to win.
Well the electoral collage, a bit like super delegates it even delegates can do what they like with their votes. And it is possible for them to ignore the will of the people.But I reckon that would throw the US into chaos and the constitution would soon be revised.
J4CKO's lady is right though. The electoral college map makes it very difficult for any republican to win the presidency, let alone Trump. Roughly 40 states are foregone conclusions (Clinton cannot win Tennessee, Trump cannot California etc..). Of the other 10 or so most lean towards the democrat and some of the GOP states, like Utah, which were previously considered to be GOP bankers have moved to toss up. Demographics have moved pretty rapidly against the right, the proportion of white men over 40 (the only demographic group republicans consistently win) is diminishing as a % of the population. The polls will go up and down but the demographics will not change.
Romney was leading after the first debate in 2012 (will Trump even debate?). Of the 12 swing states Obama ended up winning every one except NC and ended up winning the GE handily. I don't think it will happen but because of the likelihood of her winning most of the purple states Clinton could win the election while losing the popular vote.
So what you're saying is that the world will be saddled with Clinton as US President?
Oh well, Trump could have been worse, I suppose.
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