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unrepentant said:
Halb said:
unrepentant said:
Pence is dangerous because he really believes the crap that he spouts. He's a zealot when it comes to the unborn foetus and is also crazily anti-gay. He's basically a Christian fundamentalist. Trump of course agrees with none of that, Pence is just a vessel to deliver conservatives.
If Trump had chosen a socially liberal conservative, it would be a swing to my totally illusionary and imaginary vote. But with someone like, Pence. I would vote for the other candidate.Speaking of crazies, this thread, with a few notable exceptions such as yourself, Jimbeaux and Countdown is now full of trolls with no interest or stake in the election or knowledge of what they speak about. I can't be arsed to post anymore so I'll leave the right wing w
kfest is has become to them.Go back to the beginning of this thread and see how many times you've been wrong!
Here is a question for all. Last night HRC threw out some required lines regarding putting Wall St. under her foot. That is to appease the ones who follow Bernie and the dingbat Warren. How does anyone believe that a woman who receives 90+ % of her funding from Wall St. corporations will do any harm to them? Other than some token legislation, that she has already worked out with them on the side, she will do nothing. Trump has recieved less than 3% from Wall St.
Now let me be clear; I do not disagree with her friendship with Wall St. Aside from some exceptions, they are part of the free enterprise system. Wall St. is not some monster, it is a collection of many things. Anyone with a 401K or pension (probably you in the UK as well) has investment in Wall St, even if they did not invest themselves.
Now let me be clear; I do not disagree with her friendship with Wall St. Aside from some exceptions, they are part of the free enterprise system. Wall St. is not some monster, it is a collection of many things. Anyone with a 401K or pension (probably you in the UK as well) has investment in Wall St, even if they did not invest themselves.
Jockman said:
Jimbeaux said:
hidetheelephants said:
Jockman said:
TheExcession said:
What a horrible horrible woman. I just cannot fathom why anyone would want her leading the US.
You can. The alternative is obvious. What a fooookin choice. I just loved the way Obama stated he knew HRC would never rest until ISIS were defeated. Which begs the obvious question. Why the fooook did you create a vacuum for them to be created???
I remember the hope in 1997 of Blair. I remember the hope in 2008 of Obama. Where is the hope now?
Add in Libya, Syria, and calling ISIS the "J.V. team (junior varsity)".
unrepentant said:
If he'd have done that the crazies on the right would have run away and he'd be left with nobody.
Speaking of crazies, this thread, with a few notable exceptions such as yourself, Jimbeaux and Countdown is now full of trolls with no interest or stake in the election or knowledge of what they speak about. I can't be arsed to post anymore so I'll leave the right wing wkfest is has become to them.
I'm not a troll and have been following this thread (quietly) from day 1 as I am fascinated by the American political machine and like to learn more from those who are better informed or exposed to it.Speaking of crazies, this thread, with a few notable exceptions such as yourself, Jimbeaux and Countdown is now full of trolls with no interest or stake in the election or knowledge of what they speak about. I can't be arsed to post anymore so I'll leave the right wing w
kfest is has become to them.You are both of the above and I appreciate your input, just perhaps it's time to be a bit more self-aware of how you come across if you want to be taken more seriously.
I will state again, I think both candidates are bad, I just am of the opinion that Clinton is worse, for reasons I have stated before. That said, I believe (at least at this moment) that she will win. I believe it will be close and the nation will remain divided.
I also believe she will govern from the center to center-right on many issues. She is more hawkish that Obama, maybe even more than Trump tbh. I would likely agree with some of what she does. I do believe that she will lie and abandon much of what she has promised the Bernie-Warren crowd in favor of a centrist stance. That is why she did not take Warren as a running mate, she would not be able to abandon promises she never intended to keep.
I also believe she will govern from the center to center-right on many issues. She is more hawkish that Obama, maybe even more than Trump tbh. I would likely agree with some of what she does. I do believe that she will lie and abandon much of what she has promised the Bernie-Warren crowd in favor of a centrist stance. That is why she did not take Warren as a running mate, she would not be able to abandon promises she never intended to keep.
Jimbeaux said:
I will state again, I think both candidates are bad, I just am of the opinion that Clinton is worse, for reasons I have stated before. That said, I believe (at least at this moment) that she will win. I believe it will be close and the nation will remain divided.
I also believe she will govern from the center to center-right on many issues. She is more hawkish that Obama, maybe even more than Trump tbh. I would likely agree with some of what she does. I do believe that she will lie and abandon much of what she has promised the Bernie-Warren crowd in favor of a centrist stance. That is why she did not take Warren as a running mate, she would not be able to abandon promises she never intended to keep.
Top summary. I also believe she will govern from the center to center-right on many issues. She is more hawkish that Obama, maybe even more than Trump tbh. I would likely agree with some of what she does. I do believe that she will lie and abandon much of what she has promised the Bernie-Warren crowd in favor of a centrist stance. That is why she did not take Warren as a running mate, she would not be able to abandon promises she never intended to keep.
Sam All said:
Jimbeaux said:
I will state again, I think both candidates are bad, I just am of the opinion that Clinton is worse, for reasons I have stated before. That said, I believe (at least at this moment) that she will win. I believe it will be close and the nation will remain divided.
I also believe she will govern from the center to center-right on many issues. She is more hawkish that Obama, maybe even more than Trump tbh. I would likely agree with some of what she does. I do believe that she will lie and abandon much of what she has promised the Bernie-Warren crowd in favor of a centrist stance. That is why she did not take Warren as a running mate, she would not be able to abandon promises she never intended to keep.
Top summary. I also believe she will govern from the center to center-right on many issues. She is more hawkish that Obama, maybe even more than Trump tbh. I would likely agree with some of what she does. I do believe that she will lie and abandon much of what she has promised the Bernie-Warren crowd in favor of a centrist stance. That is why she did not take Warren as a running mate, she would not be able to abandon promises she never intended to keep.
There are many more changes and suprises ahead in this campaign, I am sure.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 29th July 17:14
Jimbeaux said:
I have asked before and received no answer. What specifically makes Trump a "racist"?
I answered before (twice) but looks like I was ignored. He was sued by the Justice Department twice for refusing to let black people rent his apartments. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-r...
There's a reason why he's been endorsed by the likes of David Duke, Jean Marie le pen , and Geert Wilders, and it's not because he's a liberal lefty.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
I have asked before and received no answer. What specifically makes Trump a "racist"?
I answered before (twice) but looks like I was ignored. He was sued by the Justice Department twice for refusing to let black people rent his apartments. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-r...
There's a reason why he's been endorsed by the likes of David Duke, Jean Marie le pen , and Geert Wilders, and it's not because he's a liberal lefty.
greygoose said:
To drift away from the Trump/Clinton bashing for a moment, if the incoming President doesn't have a majority in the Houses then there isn't much they can actually do is there? It just leads to more deadlock and interest groups like the NRA holding sway.
True to an extent. Obama was pretty adept at issuing executive orders that went a bit beyond his Constitutional authority. The way a new POTUS would have long reaching effects would be to stack the Supreme Court with either a conservative or liberal majority for the next 20 years.Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
That was in 1973. An employee stated that that was instructions from Fred Trump, not Donald, who joined the company just two years prior. Try again.
Oh dear 
Read the link please Jimbeaux and read up on when Trump took control of the company.
My original question was what during this campaign has Trump said that is racist? Not a "maybe" from 43 years ago.
Jimbeaux said:
I know, it says he "took control in 1971; however, the real estate agent testifying said it was Fred that gave him those instructions, as did most real estate bosses in New York City in those days. Whether Donald himself knew of those instructions in his early days of management or not is debatable.
My original question was what during this campaign has Trump said that is racist? Not a "maybe" from 43 years ago.
"maybe"? There's no maybe about it, just excuses and diversions. Was it still "maybe" 2 years later when he was sued a second time by the Justice Department? Was he just misconstrued when he said he preferred Jews to "blacks" counting his money ? Was that list of examples in the HuffPost link maybe all biased and untrue? How about him being a champion of the Birther movement? Was that a recent enough example of what a vile individual he is or does it not count because it didn't happen in the last 10 minutes?My original question was what during this campaign has Trump said that is racist? Not a "maybe" from 43 years ago.
Leaving all the above to one side, one thing that shows what a 24-carat narcissistic sperm-sac he is, we're his comments about Senator McCain. Compare and contrast a vain, self obsessed, bouffanted bag of bovine excrement with a genuine hero and somebody the GOP should rightfully hold in the highest regard.
He's a disgrace.
Countdown said:
"maybe"? There's no maybe about it, just excuses and diversions. Was it still "maybe" 2 years later when he was sued a second time by the Justice Department? Was he just misconstrued when he said he preferred Jews to "blacks" counting his money ? Was that list of examples in the HuffPost link maybe all biased and untrue? How about him being a champion of the Birther movement? Was that a recent enough example of what a vile individual he is or does it not count because it didn't happen in the last 10 minutes?
Leaving all the above to one side, one thing that shows what a 24-carat narcissistic sperm-sac he is, we're his comments about Senator McCain. Compare and contrast a vain, self obsessed, bouffanted bag of bovine excrement with a genuine hero and somebody the GOP should rightfully hold in the highest regard.
He's a disgrace.
Leaving all the above to one side, one thing that shows what a 24-carat narcissistic sperm-sac he is, we're his comments about Senator McCain. Compare and contrast a vain, self obsessed, bouffanted bag of bovine excrement with a genuine hero and somebody the GOP should rightfully hold in the highest regard.
He's a disgrace.
Countdown - specialist subject, Donald trump. Not heard much about
y - name CD would have given Hilary if she was out of favour 
Sperm-=sac, spunky - Trump is affecting you.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
I know, it says he "took control in 1971; however, the real estate agent testifying said it was Fred that gave him those instructions, as did most real estate bosses in New York City in those days. Whether Donald himself knew of those instructions in his early days of management or not is debatable.
My original question was what during this campaign has Trump said that is racist? Not a "maybe" from 43 years ago.
"maybe"? There's no maybe about it, just excuses and diversions. Was it still "maybe" 2 years later when he was sued a second time by the Justice Department? Was he just misconstrued when he said he preferred Jews to "blacks" counting his money ? Was that list of examples in the HuffPost link maybe all biased and untrue? How about him being a champion of the Birther movement? Was that a recent enough example of what a vile individual he is or does it not count because it didn't happen in the last 10 minutes?My original question was what during this campaign has Trump said that is racist? Not a "maybe" from 43 years ago.
Leaving all the above to one side, one thing that shows what a 24-carat narcissistic sperm-sac he is, we're his comments about Senator McCain. Compare and contrast a vain, self obsessed, bouffanted bag of bovine excrement with a genuine hero and somebody the GOP should rightfully hold in the highest regard.
He's a disgrace.
Everyone wants Jews counting their money.
- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
Jimbeaux said:
He is outspoken and very un PC. Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.
Everyone wants Jews counting their money. - Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.
Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
Fair answer, as always Jim.Everyone wants Jews counting their money.
- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
I think CD has been deflected since Trump expressed his views on Muslims and his wish to review following the horrific deaths.
Sam All said:
Jimbeaux said:
He is outspoken and very un PC. Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.
Everyone wants Jews counting their money. - Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.
Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
Fair answer, as always Jim.Everyone wants Jews counting their money.
- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
I think CD has been deflected since Trump expressed his views on Muslims and his wish to review following the horrific deaths.
Jimbeaux said:
Sam All said:
Jimbeaux said:
He is outspoken and very un PC. Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.
Everyone wants Jews counting their money. - Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.
Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
Fair answer, as always Jim.Everyone wants Jews counting their money.
- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.
I think CD has been deflected since Trump expressed his views on Muslims and his wish to review following the horrific deaths.
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