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[Jimbeaux]

mikal83 said:

amusingduck said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats.

Trump is incredibly racist for his stance on illegal immigration and border control.

Hillary's stance on this issue has never changed, of course.

In fact, she said in 2005

HRC said:

“I am adamantly against illegal immigrants. ... Clearly, we have to make some tough decisions as a country, and one of them ought to be coming up with a much better entry-and-exit system so that if we’re going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let’s have a system that keeps track of them.”

In November 2015 she said:

HRC said:

Well look, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.

Now do you see why Trump's comments are racist, but [presumably] Hillary's are not?

No?

Me either.

How the heck do you get a "racist" tag on what you've "quoted" Hillary as saying.

That was his point my friend; Trump get called a racist for saying the same thing she has been saying since 2005. Get it now??

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mikal83 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Sam All said:

Jimbeaux said:

He is outspoken and very un PC. Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.

Everyone wants Jews counting their money. - Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.

Fair answer, as always Jim.

I think CD has been deflected since Trump expressed his views on Muslims and his wish to review following the horrific deaths.

Possibly, although that was refined to state that those coming from nations known to support or harbor terrorists would be subject to extreme vetting.

That includes Ireland then?

How many decades since the Emerald Isle has exported some terror?

[Jimbeaux]

Mika, practice formatting, you are making people cross eyed. Learn to drive before you try to race.

[rscott]

Jimbeaux said:

mikal83 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Sam All said:

Jimbeaux said:

He is outspoken and very un PC. Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.

Everyone wants Jews counting their money. - Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.

Fair answer, as always Jim.

I think CD has been deflected since Trump expressed his views on Muslims and his wish to review following the horrific deaths.

Possibly, although that was refined to state that those coming from nations known to support or harbor terrorists would be subject to extreme vetting.

That includes Ireland then?

How many decades since the Emerald Isle has exported some terror?

When did Trump refine it again to only be those exporting terrorists? Thought it included those who supported it?

There's certainly been dissident activity this year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-1086...

[rscott]

Jimbeaux said:

mikal83 said:

amusingduck said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats.

Trump is incredibly racist for his stance on illegal immigration and border control.

Hillary's stance on this issue has never changed, of course.

In fact, she said in 2005

HRC said:

“I am adamantly against illegal immigrants. ... Clearly, we have to make some tough decisions as a country, and one of them ought to be coming up with a much better entry-and-exit system so that if we’re going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let’s have a system that keeps track of them.”

In November 2015 she said:

HRC said:

Well look, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.

Now do you see why Trump's comments are racist, but [presumably] Hillary's are not?

No?

Me either.

How the heck do you get a "racist" tag on what you've "quoted" Hillary as saying.

That was his point my friend; Trump get called a racist for saying the same thing she has been saying since 2005. Get it now??

That's the whole point - I don't see where Clinton named any particular groups as being those she wanted to keep out, unlike Trump's anti-Muslim/Mexican plans.

[Jimbeaux]

Now that the socialists, etc have left the convention and are back sleeping late and hanging out in Starbucks, the rich donors are meeting with Clinton.
Reports now show she has gotten $48,000,000 from hedge funds on Wall St. Trump has gotten $19,000. Again, how does this woman stand there and say she will restrict Wall St?

[Jimbeaux]

rscott said:

Jimbeaux said:

mikal83 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Sam All said:

Jimbeaux said:

He is outspoken and very un PC. Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.

Everyone wants Jews counting their money. - Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist. This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.

Fair answer, as always Jim.

I think CD has been deflected since Trump expressed his views on Muslims and his wish to review following the horrific deaths.

Possibly, although that was refined to state that those coming from nations known to support or harbor terrorists would be subject to extreme vetting.

That includes Ireland then?

How many decades since the Emerald Isle has exported some terror?

When did Trump refine it again to only be those exporting terrorists? Thought it included those who supported it?

There's certainly been dissident activity this year - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-1086...

OK, has Ireland been continuing to support terror against Britain?

[Jimbeaux]

rscott said:

Jimbeaux said:

mikal83 said:

amusingduck said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats.

Trump is incredibly racist for his stance on illegal immigration and border control.

Hillary's stance on this issue has never changed, of course.

In fact, she said in 2005

HRC said:

“I am adamantly against illegal immigrants. ... Clearly, we have to make some tough decisions as a country, and one of them ought to be coming up with a much better entry-and-exit system so that if we’re going to let people in for the work that otherwise would not be done, let’s have a system that keeps track of them.”

In November 2015 she said:

HRC said:

Well look, I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders.

Now do you see why Trump's comments are racist, but [presumably] Hillary's are not?

No?

Me either.

How the heck do you get a "racist" tag on what you've "quoted" Hillary as saying.

That was his point my friend; Trump get called a racist for saying the same thing she has been saying since 2005. Get it now??

That's the whole point - I don't see where Clinton named any particular groups as being those she wanted to keep out, unlike Trump's anti-Muslim/Mexican plans.

Don't be obtuse. Our border is with Mexico, therefore, it is Mexicans that are the majority of who crosses our border illegally. Some Central Americans, some ISIS types but 98% Mexicans..... Again, because it is the Mexican border. We don't have much illegal crossing trouble on the Canadian border.

[amusingduck]

rscott said:

That's the whole point - I don't see where Clinton named any particular groups as being those she wanted to keep out, unlike Trump's anti-Muslim/Mexican plans.

She is talking about the Mexican border.

said:

Clinton was singing a different tune. At a New Hampshire event in November, she was asked what she thought about "securing the Mexican border with some of the illegal immigrants that come in -- just wondering."

Clinton's answer was: "Well, look. I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders."

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/hillary-clinton-was-for-building-a-wall-with-mexico-before-she-was-against-it/

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Jimbeaux said:

He is outspoken and very un PC.

.In other words he's a dick. That's fine. Personally I wouldn't want a dick as CinC

Jimbeaux said:

Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.

Many many people have statues. having one doesn't necessarily make anybody more right or endow one with greater intellect. One of the Mt Rushmore carvings used to keep slaves. The civilised world has moved on since then. I'm not 100% sure if that includes parts of the Deep South .

Jimbeaux said:

Everyone wants Jews counting their money.

Do you also believe they have large noses and murdered Christ?

Jimbeaux said:

- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

The sad thing is you genuinely seem to believe that...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefai...
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_op...
The release of Barack Obama's birth certificate will not pacify the minority that cannot accept an African American president

Given your reluctance to condemn the Birthers would it be fair to assume You're a petty big fan of the Birther movement? Or that you resent a black man being president of the United States?

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist.

That isn't true by a long chalk. Numerous politicians have supported tougher immigration controls. Very few of them have been tarred with the "bigoted pr1ck". The reason that SpunkTrumpet has is because he demonstrates a pattern of behaviour which is racist. For example, being a leading light of the Birther movement, suggesting that ALL muslims be banned from entering the US, suggesting that Judge Curiel is biased against him because he's "mexican", not renting apartments to black people, suggesting that black people are lazy, telling his black employees to leave the Casino when his wife arrives, and suggesting that Jewish people have a particular affinity for money.

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/donald_trump_discr...

Jimbeaux said:

Wait, no, he's just a bit un-PC/that was said in humour/said a LONG time ago/taken out of context

Delete as appropriate.

Jimbeaux said:

This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.

That's the sort of excuse a pimp would use to proclaim he was some kind of supporter of women's rights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-t...
What an ex-Employee says about him

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

He is outspoken and very un PC.

.In other words he's a dick. That's fine. Personally I wouldn't want a dick as CinC

Jimbeaux said:

Historical figures that the UK & US have made statues of and carved into Mt. Rushmore would make Trump's statements very tame; we have just gotten too soft and PC.

Many many people have statues. having one doesn't necessarily make anybody more right or endow one with greater intellect. One of the Mt Rushmore carvings used to keep slaves. The civilised world has moved on since then. I'm not 100% sure if that includes parts of the Deep South .

Jimbeaux said:

Everyone wants Jews counting their money.

Do you also believe they have large noses and murdered Christ?

Jimbeaux said:

- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

The sad thing is you genuinely seem to believe that...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefai...
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_op...
The release of Barack Obama's birth certificate will not pacify the minority that cannot accept an African American president

Given your reluctance to condemn the Birthers would it be fair to assume You're a petty big fan of the Birther movement? Or that you resent a black man being president of the United States?

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist. It is because he wants to enforce our legally binding laws of immigration that are currently unenforced (mainly the Mexican border) in order to secure votes for Democrats. This is not racist; however, the Dems are well aware that if ones says something long enough, it becomes true in some people's mind. So now, without any reason, the Hispanics are led to believe Trump is racist.

That isn't true by a long chalk. Numerous politicians have supported tougher immigration controls. Very few of them have been tarred with the "bigoted pr1ck". The reason that SpunkTrumpet has is because he demonstrates a pattern of behaviour which is racist. For example, being a leading light of the Birther movement, suggesting that ALL muslims be banned from entering the US, suggesting that Judge Curiel is biased against him because he's "mexican", not renting apartments to black people, suggesting that black people are lazy, telling his black employees to leave the Casino when his wife arrives, and suggesting that Jewish people have a particular affinity for money.

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/donald_trump_discr...

Jimbeaux said:

Wait, no, he's just a bit un-PC/that was said in humour/said a LONG time ago/taken out of context

Delete as appropriate.

Jimbeaux said:

This is the same method to convince people that he is suppossedly against women. A man who has more female than male executives in his international corporation is supposedly against women. Go figure.

That's the sort of excuse a pimp would use to proclaim he was some kind of supporter of women's rights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-t...
What an ex-Employee says about him

That's a lot of work for nothing CD. In case it matters what I think, no, I don't believe the birthed thing, never really thought about it. Most Jews I know have pretty big noses, and they still tend to count money better than most. as to who nailed up Jesus, that is down to whether or not you believe historical accounts.

[amusingduck]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

The sad thing is you genuinely seem to believe that...

Given your reluctance to condemn the Birthers would it be fair to assume You're a petty big fan of the Birther movement? Or that you resent a black man being president of the United States?

The MSM loves to bring up Trump's involvement with the birther movement. They seem to forget it was the 2008 Hillary campaign that started the whole thing

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26...
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-w...

I will also remind you that the DNC leaks showed that the current Hillary campaign were considering smearing Sanders by questioning his Jewish heritage.

DNC Leaked Email said:

From:[e-mail]
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Date: 2016-05-05 03:31
Subject: No st
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

Edited by amusingduck on Saturday 30th July 15:50

[mikal83]

She is talking about the Mexican border.

[quote= ]

Please show me where she has said, "Mexican", "Mexican border" please.

How does say a Honduran or a Columbian get to the USA? Oh that's right they go thru mexico. Are they Mexican then? No.

Smoke n mirrors to try and deviate attention from trump where he actually says....Mexicans etc.
Oh and he'd like to shag his daughter too! Oh and Diana......Oh and his attitude to women re prenups.

[amusingduck]

mikal83 said:

Please show me where she has said, "Mexican", "Mexican border" please.

I'll quote it again seeing as you can't read.

HRC said:

Clinton was singing a different tune. At a New Hampshire event in November, she was asked what she thought about "securing the Mexican border with some of the illegal immigrants that come in -- just wondering."

Clinton's answer was: "Well, look. I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders."

See that part "she was asked what she thought about "securing the Mexican border""

followed with "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try and prevent illegal immigrants"

[mikal83]

amusingduck said:

mikal83 said:

Please show me where she has said, "Mexican", "Mexican border" please.

I'll quote it again seeing as you can't read.

HRC said:

Clinton was singing a different tune. At a New Hampshire event in November, she was asked what she thought about "securing the Mexican border with some of the illegal immigrants that come in -- just wondering."

Clinton's answer was: "Well, look. I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders."

See that part "she was asked what she thought about "securing the Mexican border""

followed with "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try and prevent illegal immigrants"

But never said "Mexican". She was talking about borders in general. You have "assumed"
she was following the question, which politicians do. Now back to trumps incestuous thoughts about his daughter......mmmmm tasty. Oh and then theres the wanting to hit people that don't agree with him, oh and then of course his "university".....Oh and the how many bankcruptcys is it up to now....oh and how many lawsuits currently undergoing...and oh how many small businesses he has put out of work for delaying payments......but then Hillary is such a bad person isn't she. Then being a draft dodger......

[Jimbeaux]

amusingduck said:

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

- Birther issues are not about race, stay on topic.

The sad thing is you genuinely seem to believe that...

Given your reluctance to condemn the Birthers would it be fair to assume You're a petty big fan of the Birther movement? Or that you resent a black man being president of the United States?

The MSM loves to bring up Trump's involvement with the birther movement. They seem to forget it was the 2008 Hillary campaign that started the whole thing

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26...
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-w...

I will also remind you that the DNC leaks showed that the current Hillary campaign were considering smearing Sanders by questioning his Jewish heritage.

DNC Leaked Email said:

From:[e-mail]
To: [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]
Date: 2016-05-05 03:31
Subject: No st
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

Edited by amusingduck on Saturday 30th July 15:50

All excellent points Duck, thanks for bringing them up. Her campaign, nor her surrogates have any answer for that. Therefore, it will simply be ignored by them as well as the lapdog media.

[amusingduck]

mikal83 said:

But never said "Mexican". She was talking about borders in general. You have "assumed"
she was following the question, which politicians do. Now back to trumps incestuous thoughts about his daughter......mmmmm tasty. Oh and then theres the wanting to hit people that don't agree with him, oh and then of course his "university".....Oh and the how many bankcruptcys is it up to now....oh and how many lawsuits currently undergoing...and oh how many small businesses he has put out of work for delaying payments......but then Hillary is such a bad person isn't she. Then being a draft dodger......

How careless of me to assume, that when she is directly asked about securing the Mexican border, her response is actually about the Mexican border.

It was a real stretch, but you saw right through it.

You've really nailed the skeletons in Trump's closet though. It really puts Hillary's scandals into context.

(((the context is that her scandals are much worse.)))

[Jimbeaux]

Mika, again, please learn to format. Amusing duck should not have to correct your quoting while correcting your facts at the same time. How much should one man be asked to do?

[amusingduck]

Jimbeaux said:

All excellent points Duck, thanks for bringing them up. Her campaign, nor her surrogates have any answer for that. Therefore, it will simply be ignored by them as well as the lapdog media.

You are correct. Which is why I just cannot fathom why their campaign revolves around 'but Trump is worse'.

'Trump is worse' is such a terrible strategy considering all of the scandals and corruption surrounding HRC and the DNC.

Corruption got HRC the nomination, vote HRC to end corruption! Give me a break.

The MSM, and some people on this thread, are very keen to point out what a joke Trump is. What a terrible person Trump is, what a terrible president Trump would be. For all her influence, money and media manipulation; HRC still cannot maintain a favourable public image. AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.

How will she cope in the debates? She hasn't had a press conference since 2015.

All Trump has to do is tell the truth about HRC. How will she rebut that?
How can she come out of the debate looking good? There can be no spin on a live debate. Her media manipulation is worthless there. Any truths about her that Trump comes out with, can be easily verified online. How can she compete?

I have no idea. I am definitely looking forward to it though.

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Jimbeaux said:

That's a lot of work for nothing CD. In case it matters what I think, no, I don't believe the birthed thing, never really thought about it. Most Jews I know have pretty big noses, and they still tend to count money better than most. as to who nailed up Jesus, that is down to whether or not you believe historical accounts.

The South will rise again - yeehaw