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[Jimbeaux]

babatunde said:

scherzkeks said:

Jimbeaux said:

I have asked before and received no answer. What specifically makes Trump a "racist"?

I've been waiting all thread to hear this, and I don't even support the guy.

Here is a clear cut example, Trumps words in " "
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/j...

Where Trump says that an ethnically Hispanic judge can't judge his case fairly, he then goes on to say "I think he should recuse himself." and when asked why states

"This judge is giving us unfair rulings. Now I say why. Well, I want to -- I'm building a wall, OK? And it's a wall between Mexico, not another country, and ..."

Tapper: But he's not -- he's not from Mexico. He's from Indiana.

Trump: "In my opinion -- he is -- his Mexican -- Mexican heritage. And he's very proud of it."

Even his Fellow republicans called it a racist statement

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said Trump's comments about Curiel's heritage amount to "textbook" racism, though he said he would continue to support the businessman over Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

but of course pretty much like all racists he is a coward so says.... "I really didn't mean it like that" http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/electi...

Does that work for you?

Trump wants to enforce border laws with the Mexican border. He believes that a Hispanic judge will not be fair to him. That is his opinion, whether it is true or not. That is not racist. Try again.

[Jimbeaux]

rc01082 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist.

He's running against a Democrat.

The most direct summation yet.

[Jimbeaux]

bhstewie said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-3693517...

I'm bewildered that either:

This guy is the best candidate the Republican Party could come up with
This guy is the candidate because in America someone like that has a good chance of winning.

It's absolutely amazing how unfit he seems to be for any kind of public office at any level.

It is the same aire of discontent that led to Brexit. People are tired of the same old crap and want a polar shift in politics. Like in Brexit, the "establishment", including their agent, the media, cannot understand what is going on.

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Jimbeaux said:

Trump wants to enforce border laws with the Mexican border. He believes that a Hispanic judge will not be fair to him. That is his opinion, whether it is true or not. That is not racist. Try again.

it sounds kind of racist to me, would he insist on a black judge being removed if he was being sued by a black man?

[Jimbeaux]

scherzkeks said:

No. It was discussed many pages back, and was actually the first time I posed the question. Nothing racist about that, IMO. Speculation of potential bias based on Trump's positions on immigration, but that is about it. I am also about as left of center as one can get on issues like this, too.

I appreciate your comments regarding this issue. You are left leaning, as you stated. You and I disagree on most things. However, you are what a true liberal should be, one who wants equality for all opinions and equal freedom for all. I appreciate that because too many self proclaimed liberals are simply militant intolerant leftists.

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

rc01082 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist.

He's running against a Democrat.

The most direct summation yet.

Incredible. I thought Anericans (on both sides of the political divide) were pretty blind to the flaws of their own candidate but even the republicans hate Trump as he's a vulgar, racist, misogynistic moron with no basic decency as aptly demonstrated by his disgusting comments about the Khan family, which are particularly cowardly, but hardly surprising from a man as pathetically spiteful as Trump. I'm sure you'll come out with some crap about him being misquoted and it's all a conspiracy against old white Americans like him but he's frankly beyond the pale and hilariously is the product of what the republicans have sown over the past few decades. You get the candidate and perhaps the president you'll deserve. He's about as real as his hairpiece.

[Jimbeaux]

greygoose said:

Trump offends mother of a dead soldier by suggesting she didn't speak as she wasn't allowed by her Muslim husband.

That was wrong of him imo. Answer this please; did you see the mother of the soldier killed trying to defend Benghazi? The media said that "bringing up Benghazi is unfair". One Clinton pundit said he "wanted to beat her to death for bringing this up". He later was made to apologize. This type thing is carried out by both sides, beware of the media coverage, they are Clinton surrogates.

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Jimbeaux said:

rc01082 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist.

He's running against a Democrat.

The most direct summation yet.

He's being called a racist because he is. Previous GoP candidates weren't labelled as such because they weren't. It's not really that hard to understand.

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Jimbeaux said:

greygoose said:

Trump offends mother of a dead soldier by suggesting she didn't speak as she wasn't allowed by her Muslim husband.

That was wrong of him imo. As see this please; did you see the mother of the soldier killed trying to defend Benghazi? The media said that "bringing up Benghazi is unfair". One Clinton pundit said he "wanted to beat her to death for bringing this up". He later was made to apologize. This type thing is carried out by both sides, beware of the media coverage, they are Clinton surrogates.

I am not sure the media is to blame for Trump's appalling remarks, they are just reporting them. He seems to say the first thing that comes into his head, you can't blame the media for quoting him. Clinton is a poor candidate too.

[Jimbeaux]

greygoose said:

Jimbeaux said:

Trump wants to enforce border laws with the Mexican border. He believes that a Hispanic judge will not be fair to him. That is his opinion, whether it is true or not. That is not racist. Try again.

it sounds kind of racist to me, would he insist on a black judge being removed if he was being sued by a black man?

That is not comparable. He is not being sued by Mexico. He feels (correctly or not) that a Hispanic judge would be biased due to His stance on 11,000,000 illegal Hispanics.

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Jimbeaux said:

greygoose said:

Jimbeaux said:

Trump wants to enforce border laws with the Mexican border. He believes that a Hispanic judge will not be fair to him. That is his opinion, whether it is true or not. That is not racist. Try again.

it sounds kind of racist to me, would he insist on a black judge being removed if he was being sued by a black man?

That is not comparable. He is not being sued by Mexico. He feels (correctly or not) that a Hispanic judge would be biased due to His stance on 11,000,000 illegal Hispanics.

Hispanics aren't just Mexicans, they come from any country where Spain had an influence. Does this judge have a record of being soft on Hispanic people in court or is is just Trump playing the race card?

[Jimbeaux]

968 said:

Jimbeaux said:

rc01082 said:

Jimbeaux said:

Let's get to the real reason he is called a racist.

He's running against a Democrat.

The most direct summation yet.

Incredible. I thought Anericans (on both sides of the political divide) were pretty blind to the flaws of their own candidate but even the republicans hate Trump as he's a vulgar, racist, misogynistic moron with no basic decency as aptly demonstrated by his disgusting comments about the Khan family, which are particularly cowardly, but hardly surprising from a man as pathetically spiteful as Trump. I'm sure you'll come out with some crap about him being misquoted and it's all a conspiracy against old white Americans like him but he's frankly beyond the pale and hilariously is the product of what the republicans have sown over the past few decades. You get the candidate and perhaps the president you'll deserve. He's about as real as his hairpiece.

So, we hear nothing from you until a Muslim is insulted? Did the BBC allow you to see the mother of a dead Benghazi defender being disgustingly treated by those at the DNC convention? My guess is no.

[Jimbeaux]

greygoose said:

Jimbeaux said:

greygoose said:

Trump offends mother of a dead soldier by suggesting she didn't speak as she wasn't allowed by her Muslim husband.

That was wrong of him imo. As see this please; did you see the mother of the soldier killed trying to defend Benghazi? The media said that "bringing up Benghazi is unfair". One Clinton pundit said he "wanted to beat her to death for bringing this up". He later was made to apologize. This type thing is carried out by both sides, beware of the media coverage, they are Clinton surrogates.

I am not sure the media is to blame for Trump's appalling remarks, they are just reporting them. He seems to say the first thing that comes into his head, you can't blame the media for quoting him. Clinton is a poor candidate too.

I agree with you. They are both bad, and in their own way.

[Jimbeaux]

greygoose said:

Jimbeaux said:

greygoose said:

Jimbeaux said:

Trump wants to enforce border laws with the Mexican border. He believes that a Hispanic judge will not be fair to him. That is his opinion, whether it is true or not. That is not racist. Try again.

it sounds kind of racist to me, would he insist on a black judge being removed if he was being sued by a black man?

That is not comparable. He is not being sued by Mexico. He feels (correctly or not) that a Hispanic judge would be biased due to His stance on 11,000,000 illegal Hispanics.

Hispanics aren't just Mexicans, they come from any country where Spain had an influence. Does this judge have a record of being soft on Hispanic people in court or is is just Trump playing the race card?

Very true. My wife is from a central American country, not Mexico. 97% are Mexicans, however. Additionally, agreements have been made with Mexico to aid in keeping the border laws enforced. It has been determined that the Mexican government are not only not enforcing their end of these agreements but are actually looking the other way when illegals are passing through from where ever.

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Jimbeaux said:

So, we hear nothing from you until a Muslim is insulted? Did the BBC allow you to see the mother of a dead Benghazi defender being disgustingly treated by those at the DNC convention? My guess is no.

Not sure how much you know about the military but do you know what a chain of command is? There will be tens of layers of command between the Americans in Benghazi and the Secretary of State. Each one of those layers will have had more knowledge AND more responsibility for operational security matters. Since when was HRC personally responsible for deciding on consular security?

Most normal people will realise and understand that little if any of it was her fault. But Trump, being the opportunist and liar that he is, tries to use it as a stick to beat her with. And, as usual, the thick redneck brigade will lap it u.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

Jimbeaux said:

So, we hear nothing from you until a Muslim is insulted? Did the BBC allow you to see the mother of a dead Benghazi defender being disgustingly treated by those at the DNC convention? My guess is no.

Not sure how much you know about the military but do you know what a chain of command is? There will be tens of layers of command between the Americans in Benghazi and the Secretary of State. Each one of those layers will have had more knowledge AND more responsibility for operational security matters. Since when was HRC personally responsible for deciding on consular security?

Most normal people will realise and understand that little if any of it was her fault. But Trump, being the opportunist and liar that he is, tries to use it as a stick to beat her with. And, as usual, the thick redneck brigade will lap it u.

Having served 33 years of military service (army and National Guard), I am well versed in chain of command. My point is that those who work for Clinton and surround her displayed such contempt for someone in the same situation as the Muslim parent we hear so much about, yet that was not related by the BBC types.
BTW, having experience with being stationed in US State Dept. foreign missions ( do you?) I can assure you that if an Embassy is under attack, the SOS will be awakened and directly involved. Again, as with your ignorant comments of " the south", learn what you are speaking of before stepping off the deep end.

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Jimbeaux said:

Very true. My wife is from a central American country, not Mexico. 97% are Mexicans, however. Additionally, agreements have been made with Mexico to aid in keeping the border laws enforced. It has been determined that the Mexican government are not only not enforcing their end of these agreements but are actually looking the other way when illegals are passing through from where ever.

Unfortunately Mexico is troubled by such drug related violence that illegal immigration to another country is unlikely to be a top priority, particularly when corruption is likely to be rife from drug/people traffickers or death threats are common. There is a similar situation albeit on a far smaller scale with the camps in Calais seeking entry to the UK.
I still think objecting to a judge of Hispanic ancestry appears racist by Trump unless he has evidence that the judge is biased in some way.

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greygoose said:

Jimbeaux said:

Very true. My wife is from a central American country, not Mexico. 97% are Mexicans, however. Additionally, agreements have been made with Mexico to aid in keeping the border laws enforced. It has been determined that the Mexican government are not only not enforcing their end of these agreements but are actually looking the other way when illegals are passing through from where ever.

Unfortunately Mexico is troubled by such drug related violence that illegal immigration to another country is unlikely to be a top priority, particularly when corruption is likely to be rife from drug/people traffickers or death threats are common. There is a similar situation albeit on a far smaller scale with the camps in Calais seeking entry to the UK.
I still think objecting to a judge of Hispanic ancestry appears racist by Trump unless he has evidence that the judge is biased in some way.

Again, due to the outspoken things coming from known Hispanic members of the judiciary, I can understand his concern that this one is no different. Again, he may be wrong but that is not by definition racist.
Your comments on Mexico are valid and very well put. Off topic but a quick point. People need to think of those untold thousands that are trying to immigrate legally. My brother in law is an example. He has spent 13 years and thousands of Dollars navigating the system. It is unfair to allow all of those who broke the law to stay and be legal.

[Sam All]

Countdown said:

Most normal people will realise and understand that little if any of it was her fault. But Trump, being the opportunist and liar that he is, tries to use it as a stick to beat her with. And, as usual, the thick redneck brigade will lap it u.

Wasn't this an issue long before Trump came on to the political scene?

"Thick redneck brigade" - another insult, really beneath you CD.

[968]

Jimbeaux said:

So, we hear nothing from you until a Muslim is insulted? Did the BBC allow you to see the mother of a dead Benghazi defender being disgustingly treated by those at the DNC convention? My guess is no.

As much as you might think PH is the centre of the universe, it really isn't and I've been following this US presidential campaign like anyone else. This latest disgusting affront to decency is one in a long line of turds emanating from the mouth of this human sewer that is your candidate. I happened to read this thread for the first time (against my better judgement) in a while yesterday whilst bored and in the middle of feeding my baby, and frankly I tend to stay away from PH as there's no place for discussion. I was quite astonished that despite everything he says and does, you still support him. Your guess is wrong (like most of what you say) I would be just as appalled at Clinton saying similar things and think she's a terrible candidate too, just marginally less offensive than Trump.