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[amusingduck]

There's some real gems in the 40 times HRC told the FBI that she couldn't remember.

FBI said:

“Clinton was aware she was an Original Classification Authority (OCA) at State. Clinton could not recall how often she used this authority or any training or guidance provided by State.”

FBI said:

“Clinton recalled being briefed on special access program (SAP) information but could not recall any specific briefing on how to handle information associated with SAP’s.”

FBI said:

“Clinton did not recall receiving guidance from State regarding email policies outlined in the Foreign Affairs Manual.”

FBI said:

“Huma Abedin also had an account on clintonemail.com because she frequently assisted client in with personal matters.
Clinton did not recall any other individuals being offered an account on clintonemail.com.”

FBI said:

“After reviewing an email dated December 11, 2012 with the subject line ‘FW: Significant FOIA Request,’ Clinton stated she did not recall the specific request and was not aware of receiving any FOIA requests for information related to her email during her tenure as Secretary of State.”

For me, the absolute best quote from this article is:

FBI said:

“Clinton did not recall receiving any emails she thought should not be on an unclassified system.”

Specifically, because later on in the article there's about 5 quotes from the FBI which read:

FBI said:

“After receiving an email dated [REDACTED] with subject line [REDACTED] Clinton stated she did not remember the email specifically.”

http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/heres-all-40...

[amusingduck]

CNN Stunned When Fact Checkers Confirm Clinton Phones Destroyed With Hammers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPb6Xo7lkfo

[amusingduck]

There goes the convinience excuse.

Article said:

In the documents was testimony from Justin Cooper, an aid to former President Bill Clinton, who admitted that Clinton carried two devices with her, contrary to her claims that she didn’t carry multiple devices, WZ noted.

Cooper admitted that Clinton had carried both a flip phone and a Blackberry with her. While it’s not uncommon for some people to use multiple devices, what made this so important was that Clinton has claimed that her email server was for “convenience” so that she wouldn’t have to carry multiple electronic devices.

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“Cooper indicated Clinton usually carried a flip phone along with her Blackberry because it was more comfortable for communication and Clinton was able to use her Blackberry while talking on the flip phone,” the report stated.

Just below that line, the FBI noted that Clinton once again “couldn’t recall” using two devices. There were at least 35 instances in the report where Clinton claimed she “couldn’t recall” something important.

http://conservativetribune.com/clinton-aide-hillary/

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Can't think who this reminds me of.

[dudleybloke]

[Countdown]

[whoami]

Countdown said:

I understand you're a big fan of Hillary but what is your opinion of her conduct regarding the email issue?

[Countdown]

whoami said:

I understand you're a big fan of Hillary but what is your opinion of her conduct regarding the email issue?

I'm not a big fan of Hillary. My personal politics align far more with Bernie Sanders and a lot of what HRC does is, IMHO, quite distasteful. For example there seems to be a fair amount possible corruption around the "cash for access" issue. However in this example Trump is not better and arguably worse in that he's openly admitted that he bribes politicians, so you basically have a situation where

in situations where HRC is good, Trump is bad and
in situations where HRC is bad, Trump is worse.

I do admire HRC's strength of character and determination, both in getting Bill elected and for her own achievements. To sum up, I think she's OK. She has good and bad points like most people. The email saga, along with the supposed health issues and epipens etc is laughable in its pettiness and makes me think "Is that really the best you've got?" about her opponents.

Trump on the other hand is a loathsome individual in so many different respects. He craves public adulation like a drug. He realised that Obama wasn't popular with a large segment of the population (mainly southern rednecks) so he led on the whole Birther issue, and carried on pushing it even after it was shown to be a load of bull5hit. He used latent bigotry for self-promotion, realised this worked, and used much the same modus operandi to secure the GOP nomination. He's not a moron, he just knows what to say in order to appeal to morons. In one of the videos posted above he's asked about his failures and he denies them outright, even boasting that he's a genius for being paid $2m a year to chair a company that went bankrupt. Twice. You'd think people would realise what a huckster he is but there are a lot of stupid people around and he's a very good con-artist. For example "he knows more about defeating ISIS than the Generals do"....his bull5hit knows absolutely no end and even the mainstream media have given up challenging him on it because his base support either don't understand or don't care.

[AreOut]

Countdown said:

I do admire HRC's strength of character and determination,

huh, character and determination obviously have very different meaning for you and me

what I see from her is just spouting classic establishment worn out phrases, can't see any character and determination there...

[amusingduck]

Countdown said:

The email saga, along with the supposed health issues and epipens etc is laughable in its pettiness and makes me think "Is that really the best you've got?" about her opponents.

The email saga is "laughable in its pettiness"?

What, exactly, is laughable about the following:

HRC used a private email server to avoid transparency and FOIA requests. These are Government records we're talking about.
HRC sent and received classified information across this unsecure server (which she lied about).
As a direct result of her actions, classified information was compromised by foreign hackers.
As a direct result of her actions, classified information was viewed by people without the appropriate security clearance.
HRC mishandled classified information egregiously. People have been imprisoned for less.
HRC does not believe that drone strike plans are confidential information.
HRC doesn't understand classification markings.
13 devices HRC used to transmit these records could not be recovered by the FBI.
HRC could not recall being trained on how to handle classified information.

The list goes on.

Countdown said:

Trump on the other hand is a loathsome individual in so many different respects. He craves public adulation like a drug. He realised that Obama wasn't popular with a large segment of the population (mainly southern rednecks) so he led on the whole Birther issue, and carried on pushing it even after it was shown to be a load of bull5hit

You do realise that it was the Hillary camp who started the Birther movement back in the '08 race, right? It doesn't excuse Trump's part, but you can't condemn Trump for following the movement whilst giving the Hillary camp a pass for starting the movement.

[Muntu]

[Countdown]

amusingduck said:

You do realise that it was the Hillary camp who started the Birther movement back in the '08 race, right? It doesn't excuse Trump's part, but you can't condemn Trump for following the movement whilst giving the Hillary camp a pass for starting the movement.

It had nothing to do with Hillary, as has been proven by umpteen different sources...

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clint...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...

Although, in the interests of balance, Breitbart says "Yes, she did"....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26...

[Countdown]

amusingduck said:

The email saga is "laughable in its pettiness"?

What, exactly, is laughable about the following:

HRC used a private email server to avoid transparency and FOIA requests. These are Government records we're talking about.
HRC sent and received classified information across this unsecure server (which she lied about).
As a direct result of her actions, classified information was compromised by foreign hackers.
As a direct result of her actions, classified information was viewed by people without the appropriate security clearance.
HRC mishandled classified information egregiously. People have been imprisoned for less.
HRC does not believe that drone strike plans are confidential information.
HRC doesn't understand classification markings.
13 devices HRC used to transmit these records could not be recovered by the FBI.
HRC could not recall being trained on how to handle classified information.

The list goes on.

I genuinely couldn't give a rat's ass about any of that. It doesn't matter to me. Not because I'm a "fan of Hillary" but because I don't record it as important. I accept that YMMV and that you think all of the above makes her as bad as somebody who's statements are wholly or completely false over 70% of the time. We'll have to agree to disagree.

By the way did anybody watch Trump's speech in Detroit....genuine heartfelt contrition, don't you think?

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/03/trump-addre...

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 4th September 19:38

[rscott]

Oh dear CNN criticised for stopping broadcasting Trump appearance midway through.. Turns out they were being kicked out by Trump's media team http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/03/trump-media...

[amusingduck]

Countdown said:

amusingduck said:

You do realise that it was the Hillary camp who started the Birther movement back in the '08 race, right? It doesn't excuse Trump's part, but you can't condemn Trump for following the movement whilst giving the Hillary camp a pass for starting the movement.

It had nothing to do with Hillary, as has been proven by umpteen different sources...

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clint...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...

Although, in the interests of balance, Breitbart says "Yes, she did"....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/09/26...

Politifact said:

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

[amusingduck]

Countdown said:

amusingduck said:

The email saga is "laughable in its pettiness"?

What, exactly, is laughable about the following:

HRC used a private email server to avoid transparency and FOIA requests. These are Government records we're talking about.
HRC sent and received classified information across this unsecure server (which she lied about).
As a direct result of her actions, classified information was compromised by foreign hackers.
As a direct result of her actions, classified information was viewed by people without the appropriate security clearance.
HRC mishandled classified information egregiously. People have been imprisoned for less.
HRC does not believe that drone strike plans are confidential information.
HRC doesn't understand classification markings.
13 devices HRC used to transmit these records could not be recovered by the FBI.
HRC could not recall being trained on how to handle classified information.

The list goes on.

I genuinely couldn't give a rat's ass about any of that. It doesn't matter to me. Not because I'm a "fan of Hillary" but because I don't record it as important. I accept that YMMV and that you think all of the above makes her as bad as somebody who's statements are wholly or completely false over 70% of the time. We'll have to agree to disagree.

By the way did anybody watch Trump's speech in Detroit....genuine heartfelt contrition, don't you think?

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/09/03/trump-addre...

It doesn't matter whether you give a rat's ass about it. The US has shown that the security of classified information is very serious.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-19/sai...

Unless if you're a Clinton. In which case, do as you please. Be Secretary of State. Compromise national security. Disregard the laws and regulations for your position. Lie about your intentions, which later get disproven. Dodge prosecution by "not recalling" your fundamental roles as SoS. Become President. This is Just. No wrongdoing here.

[Countdown]

amusingduck said:

Politifact said:

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Did you miss the bit that said

Politifact said:

But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

David Duke, the former head of the KKK, supports Trump. Is Trump responsible for anything he says?

[Countdown]

amusingduck said:

It doesn't matter whether you give a rat's ass about it. The US has shown that the security of classified information is very serious.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-08-19/sai...

Unless if you're a Clinton. In which case, do as you please. Be Secretary of State. Compromise national security. Disregard the laws and regulations for your position. Lie about your intentions, which later get disproven. Dodge prosecution by "not recalling" your fundamental roles as SoS. Become President. This is Just. No wrongdoing here.

Very , verrry serious. But yet, given that it's so verrry serious, somehow she isn't being prosecuted?

Oh wait, the entire US legal system is corrupt isn't it? Subject to influence by the Clintons and their cronies?

It's a triviality, blown out of proportion by Trumpophiles. Unfortunately for them the US judicial system thinks that it's not serious enough to merit prosecuting.

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 4th September 21:56

[scherzkeks]

Countdown said:

The email saga, along with the supposed health issues and epipens etc is laughable in its pettiness and makes me think "Is that really the best you've got?" about her opponents.

The amusing part is that the e-mail scandal alone is more serious than anything they have dug up on the orange huckster. And it is just the tip of the iceberg.

Unless, of course, Trump is Adolf Hitler reincarneted. Is he, Countdown?

[amusingduck]

Countdown said:

Very , verrry serious. But yet, given that it's so verrry serious, somehow she isn't being prosecuted?

Oh wait, the entire US legal system is corrupt isn't it? Subject to influence by the Clintons and their cronies?

It's a triviality, blown out of proportion by Trumpophiles. Unfortunately for them the US judicial system thinks that it's not serious enough to merit prosecuting.

The US judicial system thought that taking 6 photos of a submarine's engine room was serious enough to merit prosecution. He was sentenced to a year in jail.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/us...

General Patraeus was also prosecuted for mishandling classified information.

Hillary breaks the same laws, but more severely. Nothing.

NationalReview said:

Among the most eye-popping claims Clinton made to the FBI was that she was unfamiliar with the markings on classified documents. Yes, you read that correctly: one of the highest ranking national security officials in the United States government – an official whose day-to-day responsibilities extensively involved classified information; who had secure facilities installed in her two homes (in addition to her office) so she could review classified information in them; and who acknowledged to the FBI that, as secretary of state, she was designated by the president as “an Original Classification Authority,” meaning she had the power to determine what information should be classified and at what level – had the audacity to tell the interviewing agents that she did not know what the different classification symbols in classified documents signified.

Another triviality I presume.