American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

[rohrl]

Donald Trump practices his salute.

[Halmyre]

Halb said:

unrepentant said:

Damaged goods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney#2012_presidential_campaign
Bit of a plank.


Is Jeb Bush the only non-crazy in the GoP race?

There's his election slogan right there!

[BlackLabel]

unrepentant said:

One unthinkable thing that's not gonna happen is a Trump presidency.

A judge recently used the words "Ponzi", "Bernard" and "Madoff" to describe the activities of "Trump University". Trump is being investigated under RICO for that little scam. Well, not so little... I can only imagine the Hillary team rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of his nomination. Unfortunately that won't happen either but whoever gets it (looking likely to be Rubio) will be tainted by The Donald.

He's certainly not favourite but his odds are pretty short (given the number of people in the race) when it comes to winning the party nominee and even being POTUS.

On betfair and elsewhere he is 11/1 (3rd favourite behind Hillary and Rubio) to be next POTUS and 2nd favourite at 4/1 to be the GOP nominee. To put it another way if you think Trump has no chance of being the next President you could lay him on the betting markets and get an 8% return on your money if he doesn't win but of course lose it all if he does.

[scherzkeks]

unrepentant said:

I disagree. I don't agree with most of what he says, I think he's a bitter old man but I believe at core he's fundamentally decent. I've also lived, worked and been politically engaged in the USA for long enough to form my own opinions thanks buddy.

Yes, and you are surprisingly disconnected from the realities of US politics and the players.

[MadmanO/T People]

Lindsay Graham has called Trump "a race-baiting, xenophobic religious bigot."

In other words, he's the quintessential Republican!

The GOP has spent the last half-century sowing the seeds of hatred, racism and bigotry and now those pigeons have finally come home to roost.

With Donald Trump, the Republican party has the candidate they deserve.

[Halb]

Halmyre said:

There's his election slogan right there!

History is on Trump's side...
http://time.com/4136867/donald-trump-december-poll...
Doing well in New Hampshire
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/1...

[glazbagun]

Halb said:

Halmyre said:

There's his election slogan right there!

History is on Trump's side...
http://time.com/4136867/donald-trump-december-poll...
Doing well in New Hampshire
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/1...

I remember "the Dean scream" absolutely destroying Howard Dean's campaign just over ten years ago. I just looked it up on youtube and is seems like the tamest thing in the world now. I don't think I'd even see it as a gaffe given the audience.

Trump's outbursts don't seem to harm his poll ratings, the only thing I can see changing is that he runs out of controversial things to say/non-republican-voters to attack and his momentum dissolves as the conversation switches to something more sensible.

Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 9th December 13:29

[BlackLabel]

telegraph said:

Trump in front as panic sets in among party establishment

Republican officials "apoplectic" at the thought of Donald Trump as nominee

After months of dismissing Donald Trump's campaign as a bad joke, Republican Party leaders have realised that American voters might be deadly serious about electing the television entertainer to the White House.

Mr Trump is still leading the pack with 35 per cent of support from Republican voters, the same lead he held before his comments on Monday that Muslims should be banned from the US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12047660/Trump-in-front-as-panic-sets-in-among-party-establishment.html

[unrepentant]

BlackLabel said:

telegraph said:

Trump in front as panic sets in among party establishment

Republican officials "apoplectic" at the thought of Donald Trump as nominee

After months of dismissing Donald Trump's campaign as a bad joke, Republican Party leaders have realised that American voters might be deadly serious about electing the television entertainer to the White House.

Mr Trump is still leading the pack with 35 per cent of support from Republican voters, the same lead he held before his comments on Monday that Muslims should be banned from the US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12047660/Trump-in-front-as-panic-sets-in-among-party-establishment.html

American voters are not going to "elect the television entertainer" to the White House. Trump repulses a large majority of Americans. It's just possible that Trump will win the GOP nomination due to the high percentage of morons in the party and the fact that the other 70% of republican votes will be spread over 5 or 6 candidates. If that happens Hillary will win with a landslide but its more likely that the GOP would engineer a brokered convention and oust Trump that way. They know that a Trump candidacy will cause irreparable harm to their party (his standing already has). If that happens he'll run as a 3rd candidate and Carson may also run. Either way they're fked.

[turbobloke]

unrepentant said:

BlackLabel said:

telegraph said:

Trump in front as panic sets in among party establishment

Republican officials "apoplectic" at the thought of Donald Trump as nominee

After months of dismissing Donald Trump's campaign as a bad joke, Republican Party leaders have realised that American voters might be deadly serious about electing the television entertainer to the White House.

Mr Trump is still leading the pack with 35 per cent of support from Republican voters, the same lead he held before his comments on Monday that Muslims should be banned from the US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12047660/Trump-in-front-as-panic-sets-in-among-party-establishment.html

American voters are not going to "elect the television entertainer" to the White House.

Quite possibly not, it would be remarkable if they did. Would they ever elect a "big screen entertainer" who started out on a 7-year movie contract with Warner Bros and served as President of the Screen Actors Guild for a number of years in succession?

[jmorgan]

Bonzo would have approved.

[turbobloke]

jmorgan said:

Bonzo would have approved.

Bedtime for Nancy, anticipated but never made.

[unrepentant]

turbobloke said:

Quite possibly not, it would be remarkable if they did. Would they ever elect a "big screen entertainer" who started out on a 7-year movie contract with Warner Bros and served as President of the Screen Actors Guild for a number of years in succession?

You mean would they elect a 2 term Governor of California with excellent conservative credentials and a history of activism and public service? Absolutely.

[turbobloke]

unrepentant said:

turbobloke said:

Quite possibly not, it would be remarkable if they did. Would they ever elect a "big screen entertainer" who started out on a 7-year movie contract with Warner Bros and served as President of the Screen Actors Guild for a number of years in succession?

You mean would they elect a 2 term Governor of California with excellent conservative credentials and a history of activism and public service? Absolutely.

Election results can make a monkey out of all sorts of people.

[unrepentant]

turbobloke said:

unrepentant said:

turbobloke said:

Quite possibly not, it would be remarkable if they did. Would they ever elect a "big screen entertainer" who started out on a 7-year movie contract with Warner Bros and served as President of the Screen Actors Guild for a number of years in succession?

You mean would they elect a 2 term Governor of California with excellent conservative credentials and a history of activism and public service? Absolutely.

Election results can make a monkey out of all sorts of people.

Well GWB got elected twice so yeah! Reagan was totally different from Trump. He had a long record of political achievement and would never have stooped to within a mile of the sewer that Trump occupies. He also had broad appeal and attracted a good proportion of democrats at the time. Trump appeals to a narrow band of republicans, he turns off democrats and independents and the majority of republicans.

[Halb]

unrepentant said:

Well GWB got elected twice so yeah! Reagan was totally different from Trump. He had a long record of political achievement and would never have stooped to within a mile of the sewer that Trump occupies. He also had broad appeal and attracted a good proportion of democrats at the time. Trump appeals to a narrow band of republicans, he turns off democrats and independents and the majority of republicans.

A possible reason why Trump will fail is his lack of ground troops. He has little to no money out there, his whole campaign is from the top down, and he is getting all the publicity by keeping on saying outrageous things.
It'll be interesting to see how this continues

[turbobloke]

unrepentant said:

turbobloke said:

unrepentant said:

turbobloke said:

Quite possibly not, it would be remarkable if they did. Would they ever elect a "big screen entertainer" who started out on a 7-year movie contract with Warner Bros and served as President of the Screen Actors Guild for a number of years in succession?

You mean would they elect a 2 term Governor of California with excellent conservative credentials and a history of activism and public service? Absolutely.

Election results can make a monkey out of all sorts of people.

Well GWB got elected twice so yeah!

Clinton too.

unrepentant said:

Reagan was totally different from Trump...

Yes indeed, but an entertainer all the same.

[Halb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35097557
"The 69-year-old real estate tycoon would become the oldest president to be elected in US history."

Didn't know he'd be the oldest.
...if it happens...

[eharding]

Halb said:

A possible reason why Trump will fail is his lack of ground troops.

Never underestimate the ability of volunteer Banglecants to rally to the cause, when an inspirational Hoofwunking leader emerges.

[Halb]