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FN2TypeR said:
unrepentant said:
Every time I see a post from 5ohmustang I can't help thinking of an old joke.
2 old ladies, Gladys and Maude, like to go to the local working men's club in Bolton on a Friday as an act is always booked.
One night they arrive and settle down with a sherry and Maude asks Gladys to go and find out who the act is. Gladys goes up to the guy on the door and asks him who's playing.
"Country and Western love" is the reply but Gladys is a bit deaf and she asks him again.
"Country and Western" he says a little louder. Gladys still can't hear and asks him to speak up.
"COUNTRY AND WESTERN" he shouts. "Allright, no need to shout, I'm not deaf" she replies and goes back to her seat.
When she get's back Maude says "well, who is it".
"Oh just some **** from Preston" she replies.
Is that because he is usually talking about Clinton?2 old ladies, Gladys and Maude, like to go to the local working men's club in Bolton on a Friday as an act is always booked.
One night they arrive and settle down with a sherry and Maude asks Gladys to go and find out who the act is. Gladys goes up to the guy on the door and asks him who's playing.
"Country and Western love" is the reply but Gladys is a bit deaf and she asks him again.
"Country and Western" he says a little louder. Gladys still can't hear and asks him to speak up.
"COUNTRY AND WESTERN" he shouts. "Allright, no need to shout, I'm not deaf" she replies and goes back to her seat.
When she get's back Maude says "well, who is it".
"Oh just some **** from Preston" she replies.
OpulentBob said:
That still doesn't tell us much. She left who to die in Benghazi? Consider many of us unversed (or maybe previously uninterested) in American Foreign Policy... And to be honest I haven't got time to do hours of Google research, trying to find unbiased and sources that aren't tinfoilers.
(I've asked my brother, RAF, veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, about it and he doesn't know...)
The ambassador(I've asked my brother, RAF, veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, about it and he doesn't know...)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Christopher_Steve...
boxxob said:
rscott said:
That depends when you snapshot the Trump policies as they flip flop around, changing as the wind blows. It's pretty obvious he doesn't believe a lot of the policies he's pushing as they contradict so many of his previous statements.
Yes, and this is the dire situation:said said:
That depends when you snapshot the Clinton policies (and statements) as they flip flop around, changing as the wind blows. It's pretty obvious she doesn't believe a lot of the policies she's pushing as they contradict so many of her previous statements.
rscott said:
boxxob said:
rscott said:
That depends when you snapshot the Trump policies as they flip flop around, changing as the wind blows. It's pretty obvious he doesn't believe a lot of the policies he's pushing as they contradict so many of his previous statements.
Yes, and this is the dire situation:said said:
That depends when you snapshot the Clinton policies (and statements) as they flip flop around, changing as the wind blows. It's pretty obvious she doesn't believe a lot of the policies she's pushing as they contradict so many of her previous statements.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/13/hi...
"'Will you say anything to get elected?' Hillary Clinton challenged over equal marriage"
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/14/will-you-say-...
"Clinton Chasing Votes With Fracking U-Turn"
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Clinton-...
Trump is unable to tell the truth as to whether he has met Putin or not. On major issues, he wanders alarmingly. He has lied repeatedly about his position on the Iraq invasion and most other major issues. He has STILL not apologized for ‘birther’. I understand the reservations about HRC, but this guy is about as good a choice for a world leader as that chubby little nutter in North Korea. Still, at least there is a choice for America………
I suspect the fact that he even got this far will be a source of considerable soul searching for the USA in the future. This has been a dark episode in their history.
I suspect the fact that he even got this far will be a source of considerable soul searching for the USA in the future. This has been a dark episode in their history.
turbobloke said:
rscott said:
boxxob said:
rscott said:
That depends when you snapshot the Trump policies as they flip flop around, changing as the wind blows. It's pretty obvious he doesn't believe a lot of the policies he's pushing as they contradict so many of his previous statements.
Yes, and this is the dire situation:said said:
That depends when you snapshot the Clinton policies (and statements) as they flip flop around, changing as the wind blows. It's pretty obvious she doesn't believe a lot of the policies she's pushing as they contradict so many of her previous statements.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/13/hi...
"'Will you say anything to get elected?' Hillary Clinton challenged over equal marriage"
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/10/14/will-you-say-...
"Clinton Chasing Votes With Fracking U-Turn"
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Clinton-...
Here's 117 changes of position on just 20 topics by Trump - and all since he announced his candidacy last year.. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full...
rscott said:
Only 3..
http://www.afr.com/opinion/hillary-clintons-tpp-ba...
"What does Hillary Rodham Clinton actually believe in?"
"...Clinton's switches must surely take the cake"
"£ven loyal Democrats are exapserated by her cartwheels"
rscott said:
I think Clinton has been fairly consistent in her policies & statements? Whereas Trump's change depending on public opinion, the direction of the breeze that day?
Obama said it best - "She'll say anything and change nothing"
Edited by amusingduck on Monday 26th September 12:40
t option?"(using the standard method of responding as used by Trump supporters here - ignore content of previous posts and post examples of the other candidate's behaviour instead) .
Trump changes position on abortion 5 times in 3 days - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/201... .
The immigration pivots -
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-r...
Trump changes position on abortion 5 times in 3 days - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/201... .
The immigration pivots -
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-r...
boxxob said:
rscott said:
(using the standard method of responding as used by Trump supporters here - ignore content of previous posts and post examples of the other candidate's behaviour instead) .
a) I'm not a trumperer supporterer and am only commenting on the status as I see itb) suspect you are projecting with the "ignore content previous post..." line
c) custard creams or chocolate homewheat
d) if your answer to c) is hobhob then..
e) gulag is that way --->
b. Just an observation that some posters tend to completely ignore criticism of their candidate and post examples of the other candidate's failures instead.
c. Malted milk creams please.
rscott said:
(using the standard method of responding as used by Trump supporters here - ignore content of previous posts and post examples of the other candidate's behaviour instead)
Sounds more like the Hillary supporters to me, none of the shillbots attempted to rebut my earlier post:amusingduck said:
observer said:
Redacted FBI documents from that investigation, dumped on the Friday afternoon before the long Labor Day weekend, revealed that Hillary Clinton either willfully lied to the Bureau, repeatedly, about her email habits as secretary of state, or she is far too dumb to be our commander-in-chief.
Worse, the FBI completely ignored the appearance of highly classified signals intelligence in Hillary’s email, including information lifted verbatim from above-Top Secret NSA reports back in 2011. This crime, representing the worst compromise of classified information in EmailGate – that the public knows of, at least – was somehow deemed so uninteresting that nobody at the FBI bothered to ask anybody on Team Clinton about it.
...
This week, however, we learned that there is actually no mystery at all here. The FBI was never able to get enough traction in its investigation of EmailGate to prosecute anybody since the Bureau had already granted immunity to key players in that scandal.
...
Why Comey decided to give Mills a get-out-of-jail-free card is something that needs proper investigation. This is raw, naked politics in all its ugly and cynical glory. Corruption is the tamest word to describe this sort of dirty backroom deal which makes average Americans despise politics and politicians altogether.
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The State Department won’t release the full collection of Clinton’s emails until after our November 8 election. Just this week a Federal judge blasted Foggy Bottom for its slow-rolling: “The State Department needs to start cooperating to the fullest extent possible. They are not perceived to be doing that.” Nevertheless, the public won’t get to see all of Hillary’s emails until after Americans decide who the next president will be.
A few choice quotes as to why the Email scandal is such a big deal. I highly recommend reading the full article (above, written by a former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer.).Worse, the FBI completely ignored the appearance of highly classified signals intelligence in Hillary’s email, including information lifted verbatim from above-Top Secret NSA reports back in 2011. This crime, representing the worst compromise of classified information in EmailGate – that the public knows of, at least – was somehow deemed so uninteresting that nobody at the FBI bothered to ask anybody on Team Clinton about it.
...
This week, however, we learned that there is actually no mystery at all here. The FBI was never able to get enough traction in its investigation of EmailGate to prosecute anybody since the Bureau had already granted immunity to key players in that scandal.
...
Why Comey decided to give Mills a get-out-of-jail-free card is something that needs proper investigation. This is raw, naked politics in all its ugly and cynical glory. Corruption is the tamest word to describe this sort of dirty backroom deal which makes average Americans despise politics and politicians altogether.
...
The State Department won’t release the full collection of Clinton’s emails until after our November 8 election. Just this week a Federal judge blasted Foggy Bottom for its slow-rolling: “The State Department needs to start cooperating to the fullest extent possible. They are not perceived to be doing that.” Nevertheless, the public won’t get to see all of Hillary’s emails until after Americans decide who the next president will be.
Mishandling SIGINT information? Wow. How many decades in jail would that get a mere mortal?
If anyone can disprove the factual information laid out in this article, please do. It rings true with months of reading I've done about it.
It does make me chuckle though, the comparisons between Trump and Putin. The corrupt, too big to jail, above the law, pay-to-play candidate is somehow more dictatorial than Trump.
Might be useful for debate drinking games tonight.. A small checklist of the differing interpretations of the truth given by the candidates recently - http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/fac...
And an interesting summary of the factual transgressions by the two of them this week.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/201...
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/201...
Seems like Clinton may be going for a fewer untruths, but the big one (email) still haunts her. Whereas Trump seems to scatter minor untruths like rose petals before him ..
chris watton said:
I listened to a piece on SKY News earlier, where it seem the Clinton side are portraying the Trump voters at middle aged white racist males with little to no education.
Didn't the Remainers try this same tactic for the EU in/out vote?
that was a definite "oh dear" moment for me when i heard her. in the big scheme of things it matters not. the prospect of clinton winning worries me and trump winning horrifies me . Didn't the Remainers try this same tactic for the EU in/out vote?
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