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[voyds9]

What a choice they have

a fool or a liar.

[mr_spock]

Since I'm in the US this week, I watched it live. They were both awful. Trump is inarticulate, falling back on stock phrases like "it's gonna be beautiful" or "best xxx in the world". Almost no facts to rebut Clinton. She clearly tried to rile him, and bore that smug grin all the way through. She was probably the better politician, which is what Trump is using against her.

I was kind of hoping he'd show some sort of statemanship, and that she'd show some humanity. No show on both counts.

It did make me thing about just how good (as politicians, not necessarily policy-wise) Benn (H), Obama, Thatcher, Blair, Cameron and May are/were. And how Miliband and Corbyn would be eaten alive by any of them.

[rohrl]

Pesty said:

rohrl said:

Of course The Drudge Report users are voting that Trump won the debate. The Drudge Report is a right-wing website. I expect that Breitbart say that Trump won the debate too.

This page lists lots of polls. Even time magazine has trump winning I've seen

http://www.infowars.com/poll-who-won-the-first-pre...

FFS. Infowars is the website of total lunatic Alex Jones.

Does no-one take the time to find out what they're linking to nowadays?

[amusingduck]

unrepentant said:

Full marks to Clinton for not losing her cool as Mr Sniffy interrupted and hectored throughout.

This was not a good night for Trump as all the credible polls and focus groups have confirmed. His bleak and dystopian view of America does not actually resonate with most people's lives and he came across as someone utterly unprepared for office.

Some of the more moronic posters on here made reference to Clinton's health in the run up to the debate - whether she would last 90 minutes etc.. In fact it was Trump with his constant sniffing, red eyes (the right one appeared to be closed for much of the time) and inability to articulate who looked ill and unfit. She remained bright focused and alert throughout, he appeared to struggle with words and attention. Which is not surprising given what we know about his totally unsuitable temperament.

Could you please explain why:

It's unacceptable to speculate about Hillary's health and/or drug use, when she's coughing up phlegm on stage, struggling with stairs, collapsing, and having her eyes go wonky.
It's acceptable to speculate about Trump's health and/or drug use when he's "constantly sniffing, has red eyes and unable to articulate"


Thanks

[rohrl]

Pesty said:

rscott said:

Amazingly, Breitbart is only 75% in favour of Trump. That's if you can find the poll amongst all their stories about how the debate was biased, the moderator pro-Clinton, etc.

Take a look at this

https://i.sli.mg/mCjGC9.png

First Infowars and now /pol?

What's next Pesty, Stormfront?

[MarshPhantom]

voyds9 said:

What a choice they have

a fool or a liar.

At least they get to choose. I don't recall voting for May as PM

[scherzkeks]

Pesty said:

Michael moore's opinion


http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/michael-moore-sa...

He is both right and wrong, IMO. Right in that things are looking good for Trump; any performance in which he didn't do what the media said he would is good for him. Where he is wrong is about Clinton laying into him; she covered the 3-4 topics her campiagn repeats ad nauseum, and they were almost instantly forgotten. Pursuing further would have turned the event into a mud-slinging contest where Trump could simply have taken the high road (the opposite of what many might expect), further bolstering his recent turnaround.

The really bad part for Clinton, is that Trump has shown us that he hones his approach as he goes. All the majority of the electorate wants is someone that makes them feel comfortable, and that is Hillary's biggest challenge.

[smn159]

voyds9 said:

What a choice they have

a fool or a liar.

They could vote for Trump and get both I suppose

[AreOut]

rscott said:

Then he needs to be honest and release his tax returns. There's no legal reason at all he can't, he just doesn't want people to know how little tax he pays and how small his charitable donations actually are.

I believe him when he says it's his lawyers advice, as it could hurt his business. Although if running for president then he should really publish. Even if there was a Dante's Inferno written in there his supporters wouldn't mind.

[Europa1]

MarshPhantom said:

At least they get to choose. I don't recall voting for May as PM

You shouldn't recall voting for David Cameron either. Or Gordon Brown. I suspect it's because we have a completely different political system to them.

[AW111]

Trump appears to be claiming that he wasn't sniffing, but rather

a) His microphone was faulty, and
b) It was deliberately sabotaged to make him look bad

[Esseesse]

AW111 said:

It was deliberately sabotaged to make him look bad

Brilliant.

[MarshPhantom]

Europa1 said:

You shouldn't recall voting for David Cameron either. Or Gordon Brown. I suspect it's because we have a completely different political system to them.

I'm sure you must know what I mean. Comparisons with Brown are bogus as it very much known that he would take over from Blair in Labour's last term.

[MarshPhantom]

boxxob said:

Europa1 said:

MarshPhantom said:

At least they get to choose. I don't recall voting for May as PM

You shouldn't recall voting for David Cameron either. Or Gordon Brown. I suspect it's because we have a completely different political system to them.

Well, yes. I don't want to assume what happens in the MarshPhantom constituency, but my GE ballot paper definitely said '[something] Party Candidate' for each choice, and mentioned nothing about the Prime Ministership

So all the party leaders debates are completely pointless then?

[unrepentant]

[AreOut]

HRC won only on CNN/MSNBC

all other polls have her lose badly...

btw

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2enw95l.jpg

[unrepentant]

Esseesse said:

AW111 said:

It was deliberately sabotaged to make him look bad

Brilliant.

He knew he had been awful, he went straight into the spin room and started sniffing and ranting all over again.

It's nearly all over folks. Soon we can all relax and forget Donald Trump ever existed, until Jr runs in 8 years time and the nightmare returns....

[968]

AreOut said:

HRC won only on CNN/MSNBC

all other polls have her lose badly...

btw

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2enw95l.jpg

Wow, so you can talk incomprehensible ste whilst being high on coke and still look presidential? Only in America.

[SilverSixer]

MarshPhantom said:

boxxob said:

Europa1 said:

MarshPhantom said:

At least they get to choose. I don't recall voting for May as PM

You shouldn't recall voting for David Cameron either. Or Gordon Brown. I suspect it's because we have a completely different political system to them.

Well, yes. I don't want to assume what happens in the MarshPhantom constituency, but my GE ballot paper definitely said '[something] Party Candidate' for each choice, and mentioned nothing about the Prime Ministership

So all the party leaders debates are completely pointless then?

Weird this attitude, isn't it? Yes, we all know the letter of the law on this one, but the spirit is that people do actually vote for parties based on their leaders rather than their local candidate. To deny this seems specious. As with much of our rambling, incoherent, unwritten constitution, interpretation is important. The Yanks have theirs written down and that's fine. Ours is open to interpretation and I find it quite incomprehensible that there are some people who don't want to grasp this and deny that there is legitimacy in saying that a change of PM after a General Election is in some ways undemocratic and should perhaps be put the people.

[Jinx]

968 said:

Wow, so you can talk incomprehensible ste whilst being high on coke and still look presidential? Only in America.

[cough] And Italy [/cough]