American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

TOPIC CLOSED
TOPIC CLOSED
Author
Discussion

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
HRC said:
But here's the deal, the bottom line on nuclear weapons is, that when the president gives the order it must be followed. There's about 4 minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so
https://vid.me/hJuY

During the debate Hillary announced how long it takes for a US nuclear response. Is that public information? Is that supposed to be classified?

Seems like something you wouldn't go around telling everybody willy nilly

rscott

14,771 posts

192 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
amusingduck said:
HRC said:
But here's the deal, the bottom line on nuclear weapons is, that when the president gives the order it must be followed. There's about 4 minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so
https://vid.me/hJuY

During the debate Hillary announced how long it takes for a US nuclear response. Is that public information? Is that supposed to be classified?

Seems like something you wouldn't go around telling everybody willy nilly
Bloomberg published it last month - https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-n... , so it's not that secret!

amusingduck

9,398 posts

137 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
rscott said:
Bloomberg published it last month - , so it's not that secret!
Thanks for that. Trump fans going rabid about treason and all sorts hehe

Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
amusingduck said:
Trump fans going rabid
No surprises there.

p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
rscott said:
amusingduck said:
HRC said:
But here's the deal, the bottom line on nuclear weapons is, that when the president gives the order it must be followed. There's about 4 minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so
https://vid.me/hJuY

During the debate Hillary announced how long it takes for a US nuclear response. Is that public information? Is that supposed to be classified?

Seems like something you wouldn't go around telling everybody willy nilly
Bloomberg published it last month - https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-n... , so it's not that secret!
'Once fired, missiles cannot be called back'.

Surely this cant be right. I would have thought they could be disabled/destroyed in flight almost certainly no?

rscott

14,771 posts

192 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
amusingduck said:
rscott said:
Bloomberg published it last month - , so it's not that secret!
Thanks for that. Trump fans going rabid about treason and all sorts hehe
Yeah - twitter was going mad after she said that.. That's where I saw the link.

Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
They certainly cannot be recalled.

They could send a signal to ensure that the nuclear warheads don't arm themselves so they wouldn't detonate on impact.

However, they probably would scatter fissile radioactive material when they hit the ground. Even if the rocket was detonated by a range safety officer, the warhead would probably survive intact although it wouldn't undergo a nuclear detonation.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
I think defcon must be raised to the highest level before president decides on nuclear strike, he can't say "let's launch nukes" just out of nowhere, the same principle is valid in Russia and China, could be different in NK though.

So unless there is a conventional war where US is badly losing or tactical nukes already came into play there is no reason to worry.

schmunk

4,399 posts

126 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
AreOut said:
I think defcon must be raised to the highest level before president decides on nuclear strike, he can't say "let's launch nukes" just out of nowhere, the same principle is valid in Russia and China, could be different in NK though.

So unless there is a conventional war where US is badly losing or tactical nukes already came into play there is no reason to worry.
...so why all the brouhaha about "Hillary is leading us into nuclear war" earlier in this thread...?

hairykrishna

13,184 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
I don't think nuclear armed ICBMs have a command destruct option. Once they're on their way that's it.

Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
schmunk said:
...so why all the brouhaha about "Hillary is leading us into nuclear war" earlier in this thread...?
Because that is the default setting for the Trumpites when the word "Hillary" is mentioned.

It's quite fun to watch.

Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
hairykrishna said:
I don't think nuclear armed ICBMs have a command destruct option. Once they're on their way that's it.
Why wouldn't they? Most rockets have a "self destruct" mechanism attached which allows somebody like a range safety officer to destroy the missile in flight. As I said earlier though, the warhead would most likely survive the missile detonating. But it wouldn't mean that you would get a nuclear explosion. The warhead has to be armed for that to happen.

AreOut

3,658 posts

162 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
schmunk said:
...so why all the brouhaha about "Hillary is leading us into nuclear war" earlier in this thread...?
because enforcing NFZ would inevitably lead to either side losing and getting desperate to use tactical nukes to retrieve its position

once when you engage in war against Russia there is no going back unless you think she'll say "OK we tried and lost 50 planes but it's OK now we can continue with business as usual"

that just doesn't happen in real world and only deluded people like her think it could be possible

http://rare.us/story/isnt-hillary-clintons-syria-n...

p1stonhead

25,576 posts

168 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
AreOut said:
schmunk said:
...so why all the brouhaha about "Hillary is leading us into nuclear war" earlier in this thread...?
because enforcing NFZ would inevitably lead to either side losing and getting desperate to use tactical nukes to retrieve its position

once when you engage in war against Russia there is no going back unless you think she'll say "OK we tried and lost 50 planes but it's OK now we can continue with business as usual"

that just doesn't happen in real world and only deluded people like her think it could be possible

http://rare.us/story/isnt-hillary-clintons-syria-n...
Neither side will ever use them. You seem to assume that Russia is still the good old USSR. They are not. Those in charge and their mates, are as rich as anyone else, living the lives of playboys all over the world with all of the western comforts you can imagine; yachts, planes, penthouses, mansions.

Those in power are beyond wealthy and wont do anything to affect their position.

You are mental.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

135 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
rscott said:
And Trump's campaign aren't doing the same with Breitbart, given that Trump's campaign chief is the chairman of Breitbart Media?
I am sure Breitbart would be honored to know that you consider them a legit news outlet.




Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
scherzkeks said:
I am sure Breitbart would be honored to know that you consider them a legit news outlet.
Are they not?

hairykrishna

13,184 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
Eric Mc said:
hairykrishna said:
I don't think nuclear armed ICBMs have a command destruct option. Once they're on their way that's it.
Why wouldn't they? Most rockets have a "self destruct" mechanism attached which allows somebody like a range safety officer to destroy the missile in flight. As I said earlier though, the warhead would most likely survive the missile detonating. But it wouldn't mean that you would get a nuclear explosion. The warhead has to be armed for that to happen.
I have read in multiple places that they do not have command destruct due to the chance, however small, that it might be compromised. Your enemy having the ability to disrupt your launches messes up MAD. The same sources note that some do have a local self destruct that compares true course to programmed and destroys the missile if the deviation is too large.

Edited by hairykrishna on Thursday 20th October 16:17

Eric Mc

122,055 posts

266 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
Maybe part of the MAD plan was to pretend there was no way to destroy them once launched. After all, MAD was all about convincing the enemy that there was no point in launching a nuclear attack.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

135 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
Eric Mc said:
Are they not?
Why not toss Infowars in, too.

I guess in today's climate, where outright bias is the all the rage (and even sought out), we can include just about anyone when it suits our agenda. There was a time when people were outraged by Fox, for example, now CNN and MSNBC have modeled themselves after Fox.

Journalistic ethics and standards are old hat, apparently.

sirtyro

1,824 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
quotequote all
FN2TypeR said:
He's going to need to win more than Utah (6 electoral votes) to stop Clinton reaching the 180 required to win & hand it to congress to decide who he hopes will pick him. Although if his plan worked and that did happen, pretty sure that would make him more Mr Brexit than Trump ever could be!
TOPIC CLOSED
TOPIC CLOSED