American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems

[5ohmustang]

jsf said:

If its going to pan out the way you suggest, you need to build a log cabin in the Rockies and stock up on things that kill things. Money will be useless.

What the USA needs to do, is spend money on its infrastructure, that will put people back to work and make their economy more competitive. At the same time it needs to figure out how to retrain people in high tech industries as automation takes over. The USA is still a very hands on economy.

Unless you're taking the piss, I already did do all of the above, hahaha. Except when I lived in the Rockies, property was more expensive and securing water rights was difficult unless the property was 35 acres or greater. I moved to the Appalachian mountains due to cheaper property and cabins. When I say cabin I'm not referring to a shack in the woods but a full size log home.

Take a look at https://www.southlandloghomes.com/

I agree with you. Money goes where it's treated well, the government does not treat businesses or money well, hence the reason for overseas outsourcing.

I'll always pay extra for a label that says made in the USA.

[Vaud]

5ohmustang said:

Take a look at https://www.southlandloghomes.com/

Some nice stuff there... love the cabin style (similar to Swedish/Norwegian builds) - light, airy and needs a big log pile to keep it warm.

[alfie2244]

5ohmustang said:

Nigel Farage is a genius. This man should be primeminister. What a fresh change from the tweed jacketed, elbow patched, Rothschild worshipping, crooked MP.

https://youtu.be/EyL5w7MtrtY

Thanks for posting the link

[anonymous-user]

Love those houses. One of the things I liked about living in the burbs in Georgia was the wooden frame built houses with massive height in the living room and entrance halls, and spending the evening on the deck looking out into the woods, chilling.

[Countdown]

cqueen said:

Countdown said:

Trump's would add $5.3 trillion.

That's assuming Trump makes no changes to the current system.

No. That is the direct result of Trump's proposals. He wants to give rich people like himself very significant tax cuts. What people like 5oh didn't realise is that they'll be picking up the tab. Credit to Trump - he's figured out how to exploit the redneck brigade and have them thanking him for it.

[cqueen]

Countdown said:

No. That is the direct result of Trump's proposals. He wants to give rich people like himself very significant tax cuts. What people like 5oh didn't realise is that they'll be picking up the tab. Credit to Trump - he's figured out how to exploit the redneck brigade and have them thanking him for it.

Trumps point is that he wants to bring back jobs from China etc. manufacturing/retail (especially in the internet age) is a race to the bottom dollar hence everything gets made in china and they gain the (real) wealth. Trump plans massive change to put a stop to that, hence more jobs = more money generated and circulated in the US economy.
5.7 trillion would be assuming he doesnt make any changes. Which he will.

But sure if you want to continue 'as is', then cheer for Hillary.

[Halmyre]

cqueen said:

Countdown said:

No. That is the direct result of Trump's proposals. He wants to give rich people like himself very significant tax cuts. What people like 5oh didn't realise is that they'll be picking up the tab. Credit to Trump - he's figured out how to exploit the redneck brigade and have them thanking him for it.

Trumps point is that he wants to bring back jobs from China etc. manufacturing/retail (especially in the internet age) is a race to the bottom dollar hence everything gets made in china and they gain the (real) wealth. Trump plans massive change to put a stop to that, hence more jobs = more money generated and circulated in the US economy.
5.7 trillion would be assuming he doesnt make any changes. Which he will.

But sure if you want to continue 'as is', then cheer for Hillary.

So Trump thinks that he (or the USA) is bigger than, say, Apple?

[Vaud]

cqueen said:

Trumps point is that he wants to bring back jobs from China etc. manufacturing/retail (especially in the internet age) is a race to the bottom dollar hence everything gets made in china and they gain the (real) wealth. Trump plans massive change to put a stop to that, hence more jobs = more money generated and circulated in the US economy.
5.7 trillion would be assuming he doesnt make any changes. Which he will.

But sure if you want to continue 'as is', then cheer for Hillary.

What is the impact to the cost of a widget by bringing production onshore? Will it be defined as just the production for US consumers, or be for all end consumers ?

It's protectionism. If it is that, then fine... but the impacts will be wide reaching when you operate in a global market. Consumers are willing to pay some premium for Apple. But when against a Samsung or similar, will they pay a significant premium? The US market is big, but the growth markets are not the US for such products.

[cqueen]

Halmyre said:

So Trump thinks that he (or the USA) is bigger than, say, Apple?

In hectares?

The law is the law and no matter how big or small you are you have to play by the rules. If I'm right, I think you're suggesting that big corporations govern the government - you're right -they do! There is in-lies the problem! (Clinton) This is what Trump has been saying the whole time.

[AreOut]

Countdown said:

It may be worthwhile to have a look at both the candidates fiscal policies.

Hilary's would add $200bn to the national debt.

lol 8 years of obama doubled the debt to 20 trillion and now 4 more years of the same politics will increase it only by 1%?! how gullible you have to be to believe in this really

[smn159]

jsf said:

spending the evening on the deck looking out into the woods, chilling.

Why, what was out there? Axe murderer?

[Captain Smerc]

Countdown said:

No. That is the direct result of Trump's proposals. He wants to give rich people like himself very significant tax cuts. What people like 5oh didn't realise is that they'll be picking up the tab. Credit to Trump - he's figured out how to exploit the redneck brigade and have them thanking him for it.

You know it

[scherzkeks]

rscott said:

scherzkeks said:

Countdown said:

I stand to be corrected but wasn't the "Questions in advance" shown to be complete bunkum and the "light" on Hillary's podium looks like a reflection of the studio lights to me.

No. Donna Brazile Wikileak.

Studio lights?

Wikileak related to one question at a different debate though. Not sure what relevance it has to the third debate..

Think hard.

[scherzkeks]

unrepentant said:

scherzkeks said:

Not IMO. She reads off talking points (literally it appears). Trump is a much more natural speaker and debater.

Clinton is not a natural orator in the mould of Obama or her husband but she understands cadence and can deliver a reasonable speech. She also has an excellent capacity for retaining facts and figures. Trump is an appalling public speaker, when reading off a prompter he invariably sounds startled, as though he's reading the words for the first time, which he probably is! His speeches off the cuff are disjointed, rambling and incoherent. As a debater he has one style - bullying narcissism. It worked in the primaries but has been exposed as woefully inadequate in the general. He does not have the mental capacity to debate one on one with a disciplined and intelligent opponent.

When you write long-winded answers full of hyperbole, it suggests you believe the opposite deep down.

Pro tip.

[Countdown]

cqueen said:

Trumps point is that he wants to bring back jobs from China etc. manufacturing/retail (especially in the internet age) is a race to the bottom dollar hence everything gets made in china and they gain the (real) wealth. Trump plans massive change to put a stop to that, hence more jobs = more money generated and circulated in the US economy.
5.7 trillion would be assuming he doesnt make any changes. Which he will.

But sure if you want to continue 'as is', then cheer for Hillary.

The £5.7tn includes any "growth" that Trump's policies might result in. The fact of the matter is that Protectionism restricts growth. This is just one (of many) reasons why Trump's proposals don't stand up to any detailed scrutiny.

To give you an example of his most obvious bull$hit - he thinks he can build the Wall for $8bn and get Mexico to pay for it. Estimates for the wall range from $12bn to $25bn and nobody has explained how or even why Mexico would pay for it. And this is probably one of his more coherent policies.......

[unrepentant]

5ohmustang said:

I'll always pay extra for a label that says made in the USA.

That's not very patriotic. You're from fking Preston!

[FN2TypeR]

cqueen said:

Trump isn't perfect, but he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for.

Let's face it folks, the USA is financially f***ked. It requires MASSIVE change to avoid total collapse. Trump represents that change and it is the only chance the US has to pull itself back from the brink.

If Hillary wins? The Western world (as we know it) is over. I give it a couple of years.

Mans a knobber, I just wanted him to win for the comedy factor until it turned out he was a bit dirty, the Guardian opinion column and response from that boring, racist and rude unrepentant ahole who post in here would have been top draw frankly

Hillary is garbage though, no doubt about it - but worry not, if Fox News ("news") is to believe she'll be dead by Christmas.

[anonymous-user]

I don't know why he ever got involved in running for president, he will be out of pocket, he's disliked everywhere now,he's like the pantomine villain.

[anonymous-user]

smn159 said:

jsf said:

spending the evening on the deck looking out into the woods, chilling.

Why, what was out there? Axe murderer?

If you knew Georgia, you would say, maybe.

[unrepentant]

jsf said:

smn159 said:

jsf said:

spending the evening on the deck looking out into the woods, chilling.

Why, what was out there? Axe murderer?

If you knew Georgia, you would say, maybe.

5ohpreston said:

You've got a purty mouth boy.......