American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems
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Burwood said:
Bush is popular with 4% of the voters. He has spent $50M on his campaign. I find it puzzling the man doesn't just capitulate and stop wasting his donors cash. Clintons odds for the overall win are 95%.
Should just give the cash to the vets. 
If it ends up being Trump vs Clinton, anyone expecting a huge about of dirt to be coming her way?
Esseesse said:
If it ends up being Trump vs Clinton, anyone expecting a huge about of dirt to be coming her way?
Trump has 4 bankruptcies, 3 marriages, Trump University (a Ponzi scheme basically) and so many unguarded comments that you could dish the dirt on HIM from now until election day and not run out of material. Here's my prediction. A POTUS has to put all business dealings in a blind trust of some sort. There's no way Trump will do that. I think he has no intention of being the nominee. Sometime between now and the end of May he'll announce that the RNC are treating him unfairly and he'll flounce off to stand as an indy. And that will be that, GOP vote split and HRC wins every state.
unrepentant said:
Trump has 4 bankruptcies, 3 marriages, Trump University (a Ponzi scheme basically) and so many unguarded comments that you could dish the dirt on HIM from now until election day and not run out of material.
I guess the difference is he seems to have an ability to use negative stuff effectively and brush off 'incoming'. Look at Bush trying to land one on him, the above would surely mean it's easy.unrepentant said:
Here's my prediction. A POTUS has to put all business dealings in a blind trust of some sort. There's no way Trump will do that. I think he has no intention of being the nominee. Sometime between now and the end of May he'll announce that the RNC are treating him unfairly and he'll flounce off to stand as an indy. And that will be that, GOP vote split and HRC wins every state.
I have seen some conspiracy type speculation that he's there for Hillary. Hard to believe though...Interesting about what you have to do with business dealings.
Edited by Esseesse on Thursday 18th February 17:27
Interesting article.
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/216932...
In other news The Pope has today said that Trump is not a Christian! That has promted Trump to describe The Pope as "disgraceful". Donald knows how to pick his fights!
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/216932...
In other news The Pope has today said that Trump is not a Christian! That has promted Trump to describe The Pope as "disgraceful". Donald knows how to pick his fights!
MiniMan64 said:
The GOP need to face up to the fact that they're going to end up with Trump or Cruz as they're candidate. Deal with it, move on and embrace the crazy!
I have!I recko0n Trump will stay the course. And he can deal with negativity, he's had to for decades, because he can infuriate people so well.
He's not teflon, but like the Dilbert guy said a while back, he can chose his battles and he can choose the battleground and give it his best to win.
unrepentant said:
Sometime between now and the end of May he'll announce that the RNC are treating him unfairly and he'll flounce off to stand as an indy. And that will be that, GOP vote split and HRC wins every state.
The (real) possibility that Trump might do this makes him the most powerful man in the world. By withdrawing from the race and backing another GoP candidate he'll ensure a GoP win (IMO). Or by running as an independent he ensures a Democrat win.
It's ALL in his hands.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Friday 19th February 09:34
SpeckledJim said:
The (real) possibility that Trump might do this makes him the most powerful man in the world.
By withdrawing from the race and backing another GoP candidate he'll ensure a GoP win (IMO). Or by running as an independent he ensures a Republican win.
It's ALL in his hands.
IMO, the only chance the Dems have is Sanders. Hillary is quite a divisive figure in the United States. Trump as well, but many have a seething hatred for the Clintons that dwarfs that of Trump (who I believe many see as quite likable). For all the wrong reasons of course, as many know nothing of their neoliberal policies that have accellerated the economic dismantling of the country. By withdrawing from the race and backing another GoP candidate he'll ensure a GoP win (IMO). Or by running as an independent he ensures a Republican win.
It's ALL in his hands.
That said, the dismantling will continue regardless of who wins. Should it be Sanders, he will be briefed on day one on how things work, and all of his FDR-inspired dreams will be flushed down the toilet.
scherzkeks said:
SpeckledJim said:
The (real) possibility that Trump might do this makes him the most powerful man in the world.
By withdrawing from the race and backing another GoP candidate he'll ensure a GoP win (IMO). Or by running as an independent he ensures a Republican win.
It's ALL in his hands.
IMO, the only chance the Dems have is Sanders. Hillary is quite a divisive figure in the United States. Trump as well, but many have a seething hatred for the Clintons that dwarfs that of Trump (who I believe many see as quite likable). For all the wrong reasons of course, as many know nothing of their neoliberal policies that have accellerated the economic dismantling of the country. By withdrawing from the race and backing another GoP candidate he'll ensure a GoP win (IMO). Or by running as an independent he ensures a Republican win.
It's ALL in his hands.
That said, the dismantling will continue regardless of who wins. Should it be Sanders, he will be briefed on day one on how things work, and all of his FDR-inspired dreams will be flushed down the toilet.
If an independent Trump splits the GoP vote, I'm sure the democrat will win, whoever it is.
unrepentant said:
Interesting article.
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/216932...
In other news The Pope has today said that Trump is not a Christian! That has promted Trump to describe The Pope as "disgraceful". Donald knows how to pick his fights!
Well it does seem a new Theological turn from the Catholic church to describe effective border controls as "unchristian".http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/216932...
In other news The Pope has today said that Trump is not a Christian! That has promted Trump to describe The Pope as "disgraceful". Donald knows how to pick his fights!
Perhaps they need to be focusing less on politics and more on ensuring their priests aren't molesting children.
JagLover said:
Well it does seem a new Theological turn from the Catholic church to describe effective border controls as "unchristian".
Perhaps they need to be focusing less on politics and more on ensuring their priests aren't molesting children.
Or they could use some of that billions they have to try and feed and clothe the poor of the world...nah, that'd be crazy for a supposed good order that's about love...Perhaps they need to be focusing less on politics and more on ensuring their priests aren't molesting children.
scherzkeks said:
IMO, the only chance the Dems have is Sanders. Hillary is quite a divisive figure in the United States. Trump as well, but many have a seething hatred for the Clintons that dwarfs that of Trump (who I believe many see as quite likable). For all the wrong reasons of course, as many know nothing of their neoliberal policies that have accellerated the economic dismantling of the country.
That said, the dismantling will continue regardless of who wins. Should it be Sanders, he will be briefed on day one on how things work, and all of his FDR-inspired dreams will be flushed down the toilet.
There's no way the majority of US voters would opt for Sanders over Trump. They're far more right-leaning than left.That said, the dismantling will continue regardless of who wins. Should it be Sanders, he will be briefed on day one on how things work, and all of his FDR-inspired dreams will be flushed down the toilet.
When you say "accelerated the economic dismantling of the country" what criteria are you judging this by?
Halb said:
I reckon Sanders could win if Trump runs as an independent.
That depends how "nutty" the mainstream GOP candidate was. If somebody like Rubio or Bush was the mainstream candidate they would probably attract enough "lefty" Republicans and "right-wing" democrats to beat Trump and Sanders.As in the UK it's the centreground which will attract the most votes.
Trump has massive appeal in some areas, but he is also reviled among just as many. Trump by his sheer nature would not attract many dems. I think Sanders would beat Trump as a GoP candidate as well, but it would be closer than as an independent.
Hils would be a straight-up no contest.
I suppose it's down to those 'swing' states.
Hils would be a straight-up no contest.
I suppose it's down to those 'swing' states.
If it ends up 'centrist' (ha!) vs 'extremist' in either configuration, then the 'centrist' will win.
If it is centrist vs centrist or extremist vs extremist then whichever has the better on-the-ground campaign will win.
Huge numbers of votes will be on a simple anti-the-other-candidate basis.
If it is centrist vs centrist or extremist vs extremist then whichever has the better on-the-ground campaign will win.
Huge numbers of votes will be on a simple anti-the-other-candidate basis.
SpeckledJim said:
If it ends up 'centrist' (ha!) vs 'extremist' in either configuration, then the 'centrist' will win.
If it is centrist vs centrist or extremist vs extremist then whichever has the better on-the-ground campaign will win.
Huge numbers of votes will be on a simple anti-the-other-candidate basis.
The trouble with this classification is that Trump isn't running on the out and out extreme right of the Republican (that arguable is Cruz)If it is centrist vs centrist or extremist vs extremist then whichever has the better on-the-ground campaign will win.
Huge numbers of votes will be on a simple anti-the-other-candidate basis.
In the primaries thus far he has been attracting many new voters to the Republican primary process, most of whom are what used to be called "Reagan democrats".
JagLover said:
SpeckledJim said:
If it ends up 'centrist' (ha!) vs 'extremist' in either configuration, then the 'centrist' will win.
If it is centrist vs centrist or extremist vs extremist then whichever has the better on-the-ground campaign will win.
Huge numbers of votes will be on a simple anti-the-other-candidate basis.
The trouble with this classification is that Trump isn't running on the out and out extreme right of the Republican (that arguable is Cruz)If it is centrist vs centrist or extremist vs extremist then whichever has the better on-the-ground campaign will win.
Huge numbers of votes will be on a simple anti-the-other-candidate basis.
In the primaries thus far he has been attracting many new voters to the Republican primary process, most of whom are what used to be called "Reagan democrats".
Likewise both Clinton and Sanders will motivate lazy republican voters.
The weird thing is that there isn't a vanilla, well-presented centrist candidate of either flavour who is capitalising on this and driving a bull-dozer through the middle.
Dare I say it, a Tony Blair-esque candidate could cruise this election, hoovering-up the septic Mondeo Men and Worcester Women.
So where is he?
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