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[scherzkeks]

Countdown said:

johnfm said:

Have you even read #2?

The mention of 'secret speech to Wall St' and 'borders are important because...'

It tells me that these 'damaging wikileaks' are only damaging in the minds of foil hat wearers and those in the middle of the intellect bell curve.

"In the middle"? I seriously doubt they get that far up....

Information straight from Podesta's emails is now considered fodder for people with low intellect?

[Terzo123]

Not sure how genuine this is, but amusing all the same

[Esseesse]

Terzo123 said:

Not sure how genuine this is, but amusing all the same

Why amusing?

[andymadmak]

Terzo123 said:

Not sure how genuine this is, but amusing all the same

Amusing? An unprovoked violent assault on an elderly man? Amusing?

[Countdown]

scherzkeks said:

Countdown said:

Have there been any Democrats who have been members of PNAC?

PNAC is dead in the official sense. The new neolib version (or reboot of the neocon's PNAC) is CNAS, and is comprised of neocons and lib hawks following in their footsteps. Your new CNAS approved boogeyman is Putin's Russia.

So why keep trying to link Hillary with PNAC?

And what links does Hillary have with CNAS?

[funkyrobot]

I feel for America. Neither choice seems worthwhile.

However, I do think Clinton is much more dangerous than Trump.

[Zod]

boxxob said:

Zod said:

boxxob said:

rscott said:

Looks like Scott Adams has now completely lost it. Now claims that ISIS are not attacking the US at the moment because they support Clinton... http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dilbert-cart...

do you think they support Trump?

Is that a serious question, boxboy?

desperate.

Is that an admission?

[rscott]

scherzkeks said:

Countdown said:

johnfm said:

Have you even read #2?

The mention of 'secret speech to Wall St' and 'borders are important because...'

It tells me that these 'damaging wikileaks' are only damaging in the minds of foil hat wearers and those in the middle of the intellect bell curve.

"In the middle"? I seriously doubt they get that far up....

Information straight from Podesta's emails is now considered fodder for people with low intellect?

I'm not doubting some are serious issues, but some of the wikileaks are complete non-stories hugely over-exaggerated. Eg.

2. Hillary Clinton dreams of completely “open trade and open borders”
Full quote is: *“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
That looks to me more like it's a discussion of open trade & borders for energy. Although without the rest of the speech it's hard to tell.


11. Clinton campaign in direct communication with DOJ regarding email case .
The email actually said the DOJ folks told them there'd be a status hearing in the case on a particular date. Why isn't it okay to communicate that?

31. List of reporters that Hillary wined and dined, including biggest journalists and pundits of CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, NY Times, and a lot more. Off the record.
Seriously? Don't most politicians in the UK & US have off the record briefiings & meetings?

[Trabi601]

Trump himself may be an idiot and therefore not personally all that dangerous - but it's the impact this has on the rest of the country.

We have seen in the UK what happens when the fringes of the political spectrum legitimise unpleasant behaviour - the USA will see an uprising of all kinds of unpleasant right wing nutjobs on the back of a Trump victory, which they feel will legitimise their views.

The difference in the USA is that the nutjobs have big guns - so instead of shouting at immigrants to go home, they'll end up drawing weapons.

There were some deeply disturbing and depressing reports on C4 news last night - veterans with right leaning views patrolling streets with semi-auto weapons.

[amusingduck]

rscott said:

I'm not doubting some are serious issues, but some of the wikileaks are complete non-stories hugely over-exaggerated. Eg.

2. Hillary Clinton dreams of completely “open trade and open borders”
Full quote is: *“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
That looks to me more like it's a discussion of open trade & borders for energy. Although without the rest of the speech it's hard to tell.


11. Clinton campaign in direct communication with DOJ regarding email case .
The email actually said the DOJ folks told them there'd be a status hearing in the case on a particular date. Why isn't it okay to communicate that?

31. List of reporters that Hillary wined and dined, including biggest journalists and pundits of CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, NY Times, and a lot more. Off the record.
Seriously? Don't most politicians in the UK & US have off the record briefiings & meetings?

The first one, IMO, is nothing to do with open energy trade. She didn't say open trade and open borders FOR green energy, she said WITH green energy. To me, the full quote means:

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future. By this time we could have energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it; both open trade/borders and green energy powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

It's interesting that you made a post to point out that some are hugely exaggerated, but only 3 of 31 leaks met your criteria for being so.

[scherzkeks]

scherzkeks said:

Countdown said:

Have there been any Democrats who have been members of PNAC?

PNAC is dead in the official sense. The new neolib version (or reboot of the neocon's PNAC) is CNAS, and is comprised of neocons and lib hawks following in their footsteps. Your new CNAS approved boogeyman is Putin's Russia.

Countdown said:

So why keep trying to link Hillary with PNAC?

They align on foreign policy and she backed their wars, which is one reason she enjoys massive support among the neocon set. She's also lobbied for and appointed neocons to top positions, including V. Nuland, and M. Albright.

Countdown said:

And what links does Hillary have with CNAS?

She gave the keynote at CNAS's launch, its members have had roles in Clinton and Obama administrations, and have promoted Clinton. Post columnist David Ignatius claims Michelle Flournoy is on the short list for Sec. of Defense.

Google is your friend.

[rscott]

amusingduck said:

rscott said:

I'm not doubting some are serious issues, but some of the wikileaks are complete non-stories hugely over-exaggerated. Eg.

2. Hillary Clinton dreams of completely “open trade and open borders”
Full quote is: *“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
That looks to me more like it's a discussion of open trade & borders for energy. Although without the rest of the speech it's hard to tell.


11. Clinton campaign in direct communication with DOJ regarding email case .
The email actually said the DOJ folks told them there'd be a status hearing in the case on a particular date. Why isn't it okay to communicate that?

31. List of reporters that Hillary wined and dined, including biggest journalists and pundits of CNN, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, NY Times, and a lot more. Off the record.
Seriously? Don't most politicians in the UK & US have off the record briefiings & meetings?

The first one, IMO, is nothing to do with open energy trade. She didn't say open trade and open borders FOR green energy, she said WITH green energy. To me, the full quote means:

“My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future. By this time we could have energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it; both open trade/borders and green energy powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”

It's interesting that you made a post to point out that some are hugely exaggerated, but only 3 of 31 leaks met your criteria for being so.

Nope - 3 caught my eye as I quickly looked down the list as ones I'd either seen comment on elsewhere (the energy one) or were very obvious (to me) as non issues. I haven't even clicked through to some of the others to see if they're similar or not.

Personally, I'd have thought they'd be better focusing on a small number of very damaging leaked emails rather than delivering truckloads, quite a few of which are either non-issues, standard dirty tricks used by pretty much all politicians, or really very minor.

[mygoldfishbowl]

Trump for president..

[Four Litre]

PositronicRay said:

Four Litre said:

MrBrightSi said:

Halmyre said:

Clinton could be responsible for the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, the shooting down of flight MH370 and stealing Kim Kardashian's necklace and she'd still be a better President than the honking pile of biological components known as Donald Trump.

She's been implicated in things that are serious failings as a politician. From her behavior with the emails, benghazi, lying about her little sniper incident on a runway in the 90s. Yet you all eat up this "Trump is evil i'd rather have hillary" Hasn't the last 20 years of her actually in some form of political office shown she's unfit yet?

As for this "hateful rhetoric" grow a fking pair, we're starting to see people unashamedly turning their focus more to home and their own rather than this deluded post 90's idea of helping the world out hasn't done much to help anyone really has it?

What i see with all this is the right-on "anti facism/anti capitalism/anti establishment" youth and washed up semi-retarded hippies backing a woman who is the establishment. She represents the government as it has been for the last 20 years.

I just no longer get it, trump is just a braggart i wouldn't want to hang around with, i couldnt see myself being top pals with him, but i do see someone untainted by pay-for-access donations as well as pay from very big companies and countries the average american was supposedly against pre-election.

Perfectly put. If I was American, I would see Trump as somebody who would put the country first as opposed to Hillary who would put herself first and to the highest bidder. Yes trump is un-pc but who cares. Actions speak louder than words in my book.

I'm no fan of either, however, Trump putting county 1st? Seriously? What do you think he's in it for?

Awaiting another Trump revelation this weekend, to well and truly scupper his chances.

The way I see it, both candidates will be tied up in knots, by the house of representatives and congress. Therefore neither will be able to do anything, at least Hillary is articulate enough as a figurehead on the world stage.

Anyone who wants to be PM / president etc will of course have an internal power switch. I just see Trump as possibly being the one who may hopefully look out for US citizens better than Hillary. It would be refreshing to see a leader doing what they are supposed to for once - looking after the people who put them there in the first place.

[scherzkeks]

rscott said:

I'm not doubting some are serious issues,

Perhaps you should devote some additional time to them?

Personally, I still find it stunning that Obama openly lied to the public about his knowledge of the secret server.

It is far from the most damaging leak to HRC, but where is the accountability?

[Pesty]

Usual suspects on here usual attacks, don't agree with them and you are stupid. Ruh roh, john mentioned the bell curve tut tut.


Interesting video hillary staff texting and typing what the media should ask. No leaks, no tin foil. Right in front of your eyes.

https://www.facebook.com/blakeau.net/videos/159443...

Police starting to take voter fraud seriously. At least in Indiana

http://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/local-news/in...

Edited by Pesty on Friday 28th October 12:21

[rscott]

Pesty said:

Usual suspects on here usual attacks, don't agree with them and you are stupid. Ruh roh, john mentioned the bell curve tut tut.


Interesting video hillary staff texting and typing what the media should ask. No leaks, no tin foil. Right in front of your eyes.

https://www.facebook.com/blakeau.net/videos/159443...

Police starting to take voter fraud seriously. At least in Indiana

http://www.tristatehomepage.com/news/local-news/in...

Edited by Pesty on Friday 28th October 12:21

Voter fraud - good. Needs investigating.

As for the other video - what was on the screen? Was it the question, contact details, asking to meet her for a drink later?

[rscott]

scherzkeks said:

rscott said:

I'm not doubting some are serious issues,

Perhaps you should devote some additional time to them?

Personally, I still find it stunning that Obama openly lied to the public about his knowledge of the secret server.

It is far from the most damaging leak to HRC, but where is the accountability?

I've read the Obama claim. Far as I can see, Clinton was sending using a non-state issued email address, which someone in Whitehouse security approved (surely this shouldn't have happened..) . Obama then emailed to it. What we don't know is whether he actually knew it wasn't a secured address. I work it IT and am more than aware of several management level staff who don't actually know email addresses, but just use the entry in their contacts.
We simply don't know one way or the other. I'm sure if WL had more definitive proof, they'd have leaked it by now.

[rscott]

5ohmustang said:

230TE said:

I was surprised by the Moore video to put it mildly, but as usual it's not the whole story. The last bit of the speech has been edited out, the bit where he says that voting Trump will result in the appearance of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, so people shouldn't do it.

http://www.snopes.com/michael-moore-endorsed-donal...

It is however one of very few examples of a left-liberal actually showing some empathy with Trump voters, rather than dismissing them all as cross-burning incest-loving trailer trash, or "deplorables" if you're a well brought up little old lady from Arkansas. Given his own background that isn't surprising, but as a fierce critic of globalisation he's in an awkward position, since at least some of what Trump is saying is stuff he has been going on about for years without anyone in the Dems listening to him. All he can really say to his ex-neighbours in Michigan is "Vote Hillary, then at least you won't be disappointed when she doesn't do anything for you".

Snopes, a cat woman and her husband in an apartment, a brilliant unbiased source.

I guess you did'nt get the memo.

Here you go 5oh - Confirmation from Michael Moore himself that the video was a crudely edited misquote of him. He actually described Trump as "The most vile, disgusting candidate who has ever run for office in this country" . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsu_76NB_vE

[Colonial]

scherzkeks said:

Have you read the Wikileak in which Clinton's team discusses the fact that Bill's history of sexual predation and her own actions are one her biggest weaknesses?

"

b. You said every woman should be believed. Why not the women who accused him?

c. Will you apologize to the women who were wrongly smeared by your husband and his allies?

d. How is what Bill Clinton did different from what Bill Cosby did?"


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/27/wikileaks-...

Consider that in context with the timing of these accusations and the involvement of Gloria "Hollywood" Allred. IMO, much of it is about as believable and convenient as the Assange charges (not the Russian agent ones ).

Sorry where is Bill Clinton on the presidential ticket?