American Presidential candidates GoP/Dems
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SpeckledJim said:
Dare I say it, a Tony Blair-esque candidate could cruise this election, hoovering-up the septic Mondeo Men and Worcester Women.
So where is he?
Would Tony Blair (3rd way?) do well in the UK now after Blair (and Blairite Cameron)?So where is he?
I get the impression that the US had their own Blair(ite) leaders in the form of Clinton (3rd way?), Bush and Obama. This is what drives much of the hate for Hillary now.
BlackLabel said:
On the other side Clinton looks a certainty.
I've found this website presents to polling data (including slicing by state, party etc etc) in quite an ergonomic fashion...http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...
SpeckledJim said:
It's fascinating, this. I'm enjoying it immensely. I'd say both Cruz and Trump are 'extremist' and will inspire democrats out to vote who otherwise perhaps wouldn't bother.
Likewise both Clinton and Sanders will motivate lazy republican voters.
The weird thing is that there isn't a vanilla, well-presented centrist candidate of either flavour who is capitalising on this and driving a bull-dozer through the middle.
Dare I say it, a Tony Blair-esque candidate could cruise this election, hoovering-up the septic Mondeo Men and Worcester Women.
So where is he?
It's Sanders. I realize Hillary's campaign likes to tell everyone he's a "red socialist" (and plenty of numpties buy it) but he is the only actual centrist in the race. Hillary is a neoliberal nightmare. The political goal posts have shifted considerably since 9/11; FDR could never have gotten elected as a Dem today.Likewise both Clinton and Sanders will motivate lazy republican voters.
The weird thing is that there isn't a vanilla, well-presented centrist candidate of either flavour who is capitalising on this and driving a bull-dozer through the middle.
Dare I say it, a Tony Blair-esque candidate could cruise this election, hoovering-up the septic Mondeo Men and Worcester Women.
So where is he?
Halb said:
Hilary is centrist, she'll hover up the votes.
In ordinary times I would tend to agree, though personalities also matter.There is an anti-establishment rage at present in the US at the moment that makes things less predictable.
It is not just moderate vs extreme, but establishment vs the outsiders.
Bush thought all he had to do is show up to be crowned and he was very wrong.
Burwood said:
Bush is popular with 4% of the voters. He has spent $50M on his campaign. I find it puzzling the man doesn't just capitulate and stop wasting his donors cash. Clintons odds for the overall win are 95%.
Excuse my ignorance but does the $50million just get spent on his campaign and nothing else? So rallies, advertising, staff etc?? Challo said:
Burwood said:
Bush is popular with 4% of the voters. He has spent $50M on his campaign. I find it puzzling the man doesn't just capitulate and stop wasting his donors cash. Clintons odds for the overall win are 95%.
Excuse my ignorance but does the $50million just get spent on his campaign and nothing else? So rallies, advertising, staff etc?? Halb said:
Trump has massive appeal in some areas, but he is also reviled among just as many. Trump by his sheer nature would not attract many dems. I think Sanders would beat Trump as a GoP candidate as well, but it would be closer than as an independent.
Hils would be a straight-up no contest.
I suppose it's down to those 'swing' states.
Trump has unfavourable numbers of 56.3% compared to favourables of 38.3%. I think whereas most "mainstream" politicians get cross over up to a point he wouldn't. If you dislike him you really dislike him and would not vote for him under any circumstances.Hils would be a straight-up no contest.
I suppose it's down to those 'swing' states.
Against Bernie I think the 40 states would fall along party lines as usual and Bernie would win the swing states. Against HC I think Trump would lose some republican states as well as the swing states because he has alienated a lot of republicans.
unrepentant said:
Challo said:
Burwood said:
Bush is popular with 4% of the voters. He has spent $50M on his campaign. I find it puzzling the man doesn't just capitulate and stop wasting his donors cash. Clintons odds for the overall win are 95%.
Excuse my ignorance but does the $50million just get spent on his campaign and nothing else? So rallies, advertising, staff etc?? Burwood said:
unrepentant said:
Challo said:
Burwood said:
Bush is popular with 4% of the voters. He has spent $50M on his campaign. I find it puzzling the man doesn't just capitulate and stop wasting his donors cash. Clintons odds for the overall win are 95%.
Excuse my ignorance but does the $50million just get spent on his campaign and nothing else? So rallies, advertising, staff etc?? unrepentant said:
Bush has spent over $140 million
He should have spent some of it on his domain name.http://www.jebbush.com
P.s. Link contains dodgey hair content.
Edited by dudleybloke on Friday 19th February 19:00
Beati Dogu said:
Halb said:
unrepentant said:
Bush has spent over $140 million
That is f
king mental.unrepentant said:
I expect Bush to call it a day after SC unless he has a very good showing there. His body language is that of a beaten man right now. He's stopped wearing his glasses in the past week - someone has obviously told him it will make him look more vigorous. Nothing he does is working despite all the cash he has spent. If he's worse than a strong 3rd I think the announcement will come on Sunday or Monday that he's "suspending" his campaign.
Why Carson is still going is anyone's guess. Looks like Rubio beat Cruz which is good for Rubio and bad for Cruz as SC has a lot of evangelicals. Very good night for Hillary in Nevada, many were tipping Sanders to win it and the polls showed it tied so to win comfortably was great. She will win SC at a romp and the momentum should move her away from Sanders now.
unrepentant said:
Beati Dogu said:
Halb said:
unrepentant said:
Bush has spent over $140 million
That is fking mental.unrepentant said:
I expect Bush to call it a day after SC unless he has a very good showing there. His body language is that of a beaten man right now. He's stopped wearing his glasses in the past week - someone has obviously told him it will make him look more vigorous. Nothing he does is working despite all the cash he has spent. If he's worse than a strong 3rd I think the announcement will come on Sunday or Monday that he's "suspending" his campaign.
Why Carson is still going is anyone's guess. Looks like Rubio beat Cruz which is good for Rubio and bad for Cruz as SC has a lot of evangelicals. Very good night for Hillary in Nevada, many were tipping Sanders to win it and the polls showed it tied so to win comfortably was great. She will win SC at a romp and the momentum should move her away from Sanders now.
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