The problem with Islam.

[Smiler.]

blindswelledrat said:

Smiler. said:

Just heard a report & interview on R4.

In a recent survey, 78% of British Muslims said that portraying Muhammad in images is deeply insulting.

Okay. Strange, but doesn't actually harm anyone. If I ever want to make in image of Muhammad, (which I doubt I ever will), I will upset people

smiler said:

20% said that Western culture was incompatible with Islam.

A mildly concerning statistic but largely irrelevant in isolation. That could simply mean as little as the fact we allow drinking is not compatible with Islam. So what>?

You consider such opinions to be totally benign, that's your prerogative. There's absolutely no association with that outlook & the ever increasing number of atrocities carried out in the name of Islam then.

blindswelledrat said:

smiler said:

Some students from Bradford said that it is the rest of British society that must change & accept Muslims & Islam rather than the other way around.

THis one is priceless. "Some students". Are you seriously trying to portray a sentence containing that phrase as a statistic?

I'm not trying to portray anything, I was repeating what was said on the radio.

Nevertheless, the sentiment was clear.


It's a puzzle to me how the regime in Saudi Arabia is still in power doling out the treatment & punishments to people in the name of Islam.

The religion of peace seems to have a very nasty underbelly. How can this be?

Unless of course, secretly, the followers of the religion of peace are quite happy for such acts to be carried out if it fits with the programme.


What I gleamed from the reports (there have been more) on R4 this morning is:

We Muslims want to be left in peace to practice our religion as we want. And don't do things that offend us or else.

[WinstonWolf]

Smiler. said:

blindswelledrat said:

Smiler. said:

Just heard a report & interview on R4.

In a recent survey, 78% of British Muslims said that portraying Muhammad in images is deeply insulting.

Okay. Strange, but doesn't actually harm anyone. If I ever want to make in image of Muhammad, (which I doubt I ever will), I will upset people

smiler said:

20% said that Western culture was incompatible with Islam.

A mildly concerning statistic but largely irrelevant in isolation. That could simply mean as little as the fact we allow drinking is not compatible with Islam. So what>?

You consider such opinions to be totally benign, that's your prerogative. There's absolutely no association with that outlook & the ever increasing number of atrocities carried out in the name of Islam then.

blindswelledrat said:

smiler said:

Some students from Bradford said that it is the rest of British society that must change & accept Muslims & Islam rather than the other way around.

THis one is priceless. "Some students". Are you seriously trying to portray a sentence containing that phrase as a statistic?

I'm not trying to portray anything, I was repeating what was said on the radio.

Nevertheless, the sentiment was clear.


It's a puzzle to me how the regime in Saudi Arabia is still in power doling out the treatment & punishments to people in the name of Islam.

The religion of peace seems to have a very nasty underbelly. How can this be?

Unless of course, secretly, the followers of the religion of peace are quite happy for such acts to be carried out if it fits with the programme.


What I gleamed from the reports (there have been more) on R4 this morning is:

We Muslims want to be left in peace to practice our religion as we want. And don't do things that offend us or else.

Followed by "and everyone keeps picking on us "

You're in a Christian country, if Islam matters move to Syria or Saudi, I hear it's big over there.

[Asterix]

WinstonWolf said:

Smiler. said:

blindswelledrat said:

Smiler. said:

Just heard a report & interview on R4.

In a recent survey, 78% of British Muslims said that portraying Muhammad in images is deeply insulting.

Okay. Strange, but doesn't actually harm anyone. If I ever want to make in image of Muhammad, (which I doubt I ever will), I will upset people

smiler said:

20% said that Western culture was incompatible with Islam.

A mildly concerning statistic but largely irrelevant in isolation. That could simply mean as little as the fact we allow drinking is not compatible with Islam. So what>?

You consider such opinions to be totally benign, that's your prerogative. There's absolutely no association with that outlook & the ever increasing number of atrocities carried out in the name of Islam then.

blindswelledrat said:

smiler said:

Some students from Bradford said that it is the rest of British society that must change & accept Muslims & Islam rather than the other way around.

THis one is priceless. "Some students". Are you seriously trying to portray a sentence containing that phrase as a statistic?

I'm not trying to portray anything, I was repeating what was said on the radio.

Nevertheless, the sentiment was clear.


It's a puzzle to me how the regime in Saudi Arabia is still in power doling out the treatment & punishments to people in the name of Islam.

The religion of peace seems to have a very nasty underbelly. How can this be?

Unless of course, secretly, the followers of the religion of peace are quite happy for such acts to be carried out if it fits with the programme.


What I gleamed from the reports (there have been more) on R4 this morning is:

We Muslims want to be left in peace to practice our religion as we want. And don't do things that offend us or else.

Followed by "and everyone keeps picking on us "

You're in a Christian country, if Islam matters move to Syria or Saudi, I hear it's big over there.

But they're stholes - they don't understand they can't pick and chose which bits of the developed West they want and demand that the rest of it is changed to suit them. Then again, most religious types seem to pick and chose which bits of religion suits them and ignore the rest of it.

Cake & Eat it. Same old.

[WinstonWolf]

Asterix said:

WinstonWolf said:

Smiler. said:

blindswelledrat said:

Smiler. said:

Just heard a report & interview on R4.

In a recent survey, 78% of British Muslims said that portraying Muhammad in images is deeply insulting.

Okay. Strange, but doesn't actually harm anyone. If I ever want to make in image of Muhammad, (which I doubt I ever will), I will upset people

smiler said:

20% said that Western culture was incompatible with Islam.

A mildly concerning statistic but largely irrelevant in isolation. That could simply mean as little as the fact we allow drinking is not compatible with Islam. So what>?

You consider such opinions to be totally benign, that's your prerogative. There's absolutely no association with that outlook & the ever increasing number of atrocities carried out in the name of Islam then.

blindswelledrat said:

smiler said:

Some students from Bradford said that it is the rest of British society that must change & accept Muslims & Islam rather than the other way around.

THis one is priceless. "Some students". Are you seriously trying to portray a sentence containing that phrase as a statistic?

I'm not trying to portray anything, I was repeating what was said on the radio.

Nevertheless, the sentiment was clear.


It's a puzzle to me how the regime in Saudi Arabia is still in power doling out the treatment & punishments to people in the name of Islam.

The religion of peace seems to have a very nasty underbelly. How can this be?

Unless of course, secretly, the followers of the religion of peace are quite happy for such acts to be carried out if it fits with the programme.


What I gleamed from the reports (there have been more) on R4 this morning is:

We Muslims want to be left in peace to practice our religion as we want. And don't do things that offend us or else.

Followed by "and everyone keeps picking on us "

You're in a Christian country, if Islam matters move to Syria or Saudi, I hear it's big over there.

But they're stholes - they don't understand they can't pick and chose which bits of the developed West they want and demand that the rest of it is changed to suit them. Then again, most religious types seem to pick and chose which bits of religion suits them and ignore the rest of it.

Cake & Eat it. Same old.

Nailed it... If we allow Britain to follow the Islamic states into the dark ages it'll turn into a sthole too, but with worse weather. Would anyone in their right mind really want to live in such a place?

[Boydie88]

Here's another one...

"If someone I knew from the Muslim community was planning an act of violence I would report them to the police - 94% agree"

Quite an extreme question that. Hardly the "99.9% are good" that the lefties keep saying.

[blindswelledrat]

Smiler. said:

blindswelledrat said:

Smiler. said:

Just heard a report & interview on R4.

In a recent survey, 78% of British Muslims said that portraying Muhammad in images is deeply insulting.

Okay. Strange, but doesn't actually harm anyone. If I ever want to make in image of Muhammad, (which I doubt I ever will), I will upset people

smiler said:

20% said that Western culture was incompatible with Islam.

A mildly concerning statistic but largely irrelevant in isolation. That could simply mean as little as the fact we allow drinking is not compatible with Islam. So what>?

You consider such opinions to be totally benign, that's your prerogative. There's absolutely no association with that outlook & the ever increasing number of atrocities carried out in the name of Islam then.

Not at all. I genuinely get your point but there is not enough information in those headline statistics to form any opinion whatsoever.

Take the Muhammad picture one: I would suggest that if you ask a Christian whether it is offensive to say "Jesus fking Christ" when you stub your toe, 100% of them will say yes. THese answers are only relevant if you then ask what should be done about it.
Of those 78%, if 77% replied "Anyone drawing Muhammad should be beheaded" then I would agree that this is a serious problem. If, on the other hand 77% replied "Well nothing, it would just be nice if people had a little respect for the sensitivities of others" then it is no problem whatsoever.
Same for the 20% statistic. Unless we know more information i.e. why they don't believe its compatible with the west, then it is utterly meaningless. It is not a "yes" or "no" answer at all so that 20% is just a result of being forced to choose one.

[AreOut]

we can write all that we want but if this trend continues one day immigration and higher birth rate will allow them to outvote us and introduce sharia law without single bullet fired

[Potatoes]

AreOut said:

we can write all that we want but if this trend continues one day immigration and higher birth rate will allow them to outvote us and introduce sharia law without single bullet fired

[TTwiggy]

Boydie88 said:

Here's another one...

"If someone I knew from the Muslim community was planning an act of violence I would report them to the police - 94% agree"

Quite an extreme question that. Hardly the "99.9% are good" that the lefties keep saying.

So 6% wouldn't report them then? Compared to the 'wall of silence' that many communities have when it comes to reporting one of their own to the police, I'd say that was a very positive statistic.

[blindswelledrat]

AreOut said:

we can write all that we want but if this trend continues one day immigration and higher birth rate will allow them to outvote us and introduce sharia law without single bullet fired

I think you probably needn't worry too much about that. I would suggest if muslims are ever the greater percentage of our population (which they probably wont be) at least 50% of them (the women) would vote against Sharia Law.

[irocfan]

blindswelledrat said:

AreOut said:

we can write all that we want but if this trend continues one day immigration and higher birth rate will allow them to outvote us and introduce sharia law without single bullet fired

I think you probably needn't worry too much about that. I would suggest if muslims are ever the greater percentage of our population (which they probably wont be) at least 50% of them (the women) would vote against Sharia Law.

except their husbands won't let them vote...

[blindswelledrat]

irocfan said:

except their husbands won't let them vote...

Okay, assuming that
a)THe muslim population overtakes the non-muslim
b) 100% of these muslims are hard-line extremist muslims who favour sharia law
c) 100% of these muslims trap the wife indoors and don't let her vote
d) Scrap a)With half of the population trapped indoors the muslim population now must double the non-muslim.

Then yes, we would end up with sharia law.
I have just calculated the percentage chance of all those extremes happening, and you will be surprised to realise that it is more or less zero.

[TKF]

WinstonWolf said:

You're in a Christian country, if Islam matters move to Syria or Saudi, I hear it's big over there.

You're also in a Christian country and yet you constantly harp on about how much you hate religion, all religion.

Maybe move to a secular nation?

[irocfan]

blindswelledrat said:

irocfan said:

except their husbands won't let them vote...

Okay, assuming that
a)THe muslim population overtakes the non-muslim
b) 100% of these muslims are hard-line extremist muslims who favour sharia law
c) 100% of these muslims trap the wife indoors and don't let her vote
d) Scrap a)With half of the population trapped indoors the muslim population now must double the non-muslim.

Then yes, we would end up with sharia law.
I have just calculated the percentage chance of all those extremes happening, and you will be surprised to realise that it is more or less zero.

oh dude I tend to agree up to a point (I should have put a smilie on my statement)... the issue is that AT THE MOMENT this minority is exceedingly vocal and seems to hold clout way beyond their actual numbers That being said the chances of us getting Sharia in my lifetime (or indeed my kid's) are probably 100% (or as close as makes no difference) not a fking chance

[jogon]

Never expected to read this by Dan Hodges of Hope Not Hate and Migration Matters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11434695/...

"Two weeks ago I took part in a debate on free speech, hosted by the Islamic Education and Research Academy. It was a good discussion, well attended, with an almost exclusively Muslim audience. Near the end, one audience member began to defend the killing of apostates. I challenged him, as did the other non-Muslim panelists. None of the Muslim panelists challenged him. No members of the audience challenged him. Instead, when he’d finished defending the murder of apostates, a significant section of the audience applauded him."

For once I agree with him.

[p1stonhead]

Changes are happening in Austria it would seem;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31629543

Seems a bit knee jerk really. A vast majority of them have no desire to become radicalised surely....

[blindswelledrat]

irocfan said:

)... the issue is that AT THE MOMENT this minority is exceedingly vocal and seems to hold clout way beyond their actual numbers :

Agree. I think that is a big issue and I worry that it might become a self fulfilling prophecy. Bad muslims shout too much, tabloids Brits are terrified of them and cant distinguish hence find it easier to lump everyone in as 'muslim'. Normal muslims feel this resentment and in turn begin to reciprocate it etc etc
THe main reason they hold so much clout is because we fking love it. We, as a tabloid reading nation, cannot get enough of hearing about nasty muslims. It's pure gold to the editors and it sells papers in their millions as people furiously wind themselves up.

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

You're in a Christian country, if Islam matters move to Syria or Saudi, I hear it's big over there.

You're also in a Christian country and yet you constantly harp on about how much you hate religion, all religion.

Maybe move to a secular nation?

Nice try Sunshine, the English don't generally bang on about religion... Followers of Islam on the other hand

[Cheese Mechanic]

Posted these links on another thread. Concerns the percentage of Muslims in a society, and its effect upon it .

http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-populati...

Frightening stuff, and rings big bells.

The actual data came from this book : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Slavery-Terrorism-Islam-Pe...

Spotted this as well. Sounds intrigueing. : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Politically-Incorrect-Guid...

[p1stonhead]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Posted these links on another thread. Concerns the percentage of Muslims in a society, and its effect upon it .

http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-populati...

Frightening stuff, and rings big bells.

The actual data came from this book : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Slavery-Terrorism-Islam-Pe...

Spotted this as well. Sounds intrigueing. : http://www.amazon.co.uk/Politically-Incorrect-Guid...

You think one book is sufficient to cite as the basis of such extreme views and numbers?

If I wrote a book stating the opposite, would it un-frighten you? I reckon based on those countries that I could argue that crime is all down to how hot a country is.