The problem with Islam.

[JustAnotherLogin]

don4l said:

Over the weekend I asked a couple of moderate Muslims if they thought that women who commit adultery should be punished. They both responded aggressively, and refused to answer the question.

Much like some of your fellow travellers when asked if they would condemn Scuffers homophobic remarks

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

I agree with you.

However, I cannot see a solution.

Over the weekend I asked a couple of moderate Muslims if they thought that women who commit adultery should be punished. They both responded aggressively, and refused to answer the question.

I'm left with the impression that they cannot dispute the literal interpretation of the Koran. They cannot condone violence against women on PH without getting banned.

Which do you think is the greater evil, Islamaphobia or Homophobia?

Choose one.

Interesting, where did you converse with these Muslims?

[TKF]

He went down to the Moderate Muslims R Us shop on the High St. They serve up a delicious hot plate of confirmation bias and shoulder chips.

[JustAnotherLogin]

anonymous said:

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Well if they responded aggressively, I think its fair to say they weren't friends. Or colleagues. Or people who like him

So either he went and asked 2 complete strangers, or 2 people who already didn't like him.

Like walking into Margate last week and asking why the churches did not publicly condemn Savile,
Or asking whether they condemned the favouritism shown to RAF veterans who had spent their career bombing muslim countries


Odd what reactions you can get if you ask questions like that

[anonymous-user]

TKF said:

He went down to the Moderate Muslims R Us shop on the High St. They serve up a delicious hot plate of confirmation bias and shoulder chips.

Omnomnomnom!
Funny thing is he asked me the very same question, of which he asked Longblackcoat too. Neither of us answered his question and he thought we got quite uppity about it. He's not very good at getting answers is he?

[Countdown]

don4l said:

Over the weekend I asked a couple of moderate Muslims if they thought that women who commit adultery should be punished. They both responded aggressively, and refused to answer the question.

What or who defined them as moderate?

I ask because everybody defines "themselves" as moderate and feels that "their" views are "fair and balanced". Nobody would define themselves as a small minded extremist bigot would they?

[don4l]

anonymous said:

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I did not think that you got "uppity".

I think that you gave the best answer that you could.

The answers were, sadly, exactly what I expected.

If you want to be a citizen of the UK, then should you not accept the laws of the UK?

It is illegal to kill anyone, other than in self defence. Do you agree with this?

[anonymous-user]

don4l said:

I did not think that you got "uppity".

I think that you gave the best answer that you could.

The answers were, sadly, exactly what I expected.

If you want to be a citizen of the UK, then should you not accept the laws of the UK?

It is illegal to kill anyone, other than in self defence. Do you agree with this?

You know I ain't a Muzzie, right?

[don4l]

Countdown said:

don4l said:

Over the weekend I asked a couple of moderate Muslims if they thought that women who commit adultery should be punished. They both responded aggressively, and refused to answer the question.

What or who defined them as moderate?

I ask because everybody defines "themselves" as moderate and feels that "their" views are "fair and balanced". Nobody would define themselves as a small minded extremist bigot would they?

I'm glad that you have turned up in this thread.

Can you please confirm that you are a Muslim and that you do not believe that women who commit adultery should be punished?

[don4l]

don4l said:

I'm glad that you have turned up in this thread.

Can you please confirm that you are a Muslim and that you do not believe that women who commit adultery should be punished?

Erm..

My question sounds a little[lot] more strident than I meant it to.

You know what I mean.

[JustAnotherLogin]

don4l said:

don4l said:

I'm glad that you have turned up in this thread.

Can you please confirm that you are a Muslim and that you do not believe that women who commit adultery should be punished?

Erm..

My question sounds a little[lot] more strident than I meant it to.

You know what I mean.

never mind. I think you've given us an insight into why you might get aggressive responses

Edited by JustAnotherLogin on Monday 2nd March 23:24

[don4l]

JustAnotherLogin said:

don4l said:

don4l said:

I'm glad that you have turned up in this thread.

Can you please confirm that you are a Muslim and that you do not believe that women who commit adultery should be punished?

Erm..

My question sounds a little[lot] more strident than I meant it to.

You know what I mean.

never mind. I think you've given us an insight into why you might get aggressive responses

I understand. That is why I apologised to Countdownn.

I went a little bit over the top.

[wc98]

JustAnotherLogin said:

Well if they responded aggressively, I think its fair to say they weren't friends. Or colleagues. Or people who like him

So either he went and asked 2 complete strangers, or 2 people who already didn't like him.

Like walking into Margate last week and asking why the churches did not publicly condemn Savile,
Or asking whether they condemned the favouritism shown to RAF veterans who had spent their career bombing muslim countries


Odd what reactions you can get if you ask questions like that

if i ask really nicely would you offer your opinion as to what reaction there should be to a muslim woman who commits adultery by her husband and family ?

[Guybrush]

Grumfutock said:

The Islamic world is going through it's own dark age and inquisition that the Western Christianity went through 1000 years ago. A period where questioning the 'good book' is forbidden and punished, where living by and for the church is the law!

It will come through it as we did but it will take a long time and I am not sure the modern world will or can survive it. That is what worries me.

I think you're right. However, I think we'll need to wait at least 1000 years.

[blindswelledrat]

Cheese Mechanic said:

Desperate attempt to shoot the messenger(s) and to cast doubt on inconvenient facts.

The poll was by the BBC, that rabid right wing racist xenophobic organisation.

Dan Hodges as well as being the son of a Labour MP (I think Glenda Jackson) is also in a senior position in migration matters, and of similar standing in Hope not hate. Again all extreme well known examples of hysterical xenophobic right wing nutterism.

Sigh>

The poll wasn't by the BBC, and the BBC reporting of it did not conclude that 1 in 3 muslims had sympathy for the hebdo terrorists like your new best friend Dan Hodges. But let's not let facts get in the way of a nice bit of unflinching racism.
You love Dan Hodges, I think he is a tin-pot tabloid journalist and I explained why in the post you quoted.
Obviously you will ignore the salient part of it because it doesn't fit your agenda, merely screech that Dan Hodges is a good bloke and the BBC supports you. Which it doesn't. But that doesn't matter to you of course because you are too excited that you mistakenly believe reputable news sources share your wretched views.

[jogon]

ComRes poll for the BBC. They commissioned it ComRes carried it out.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196

I agree with you on Dan Hodges though.

[irocfan]

for the avoidance of doubt however, it's not just Islam has got a problem with misogyny. Their version may be somewhat more public at the moment but it does look like the 3rd world as a whole (or should that really be hole?) has a massive problem by western mores

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

[longblackcoat]

irocfan said:

for the avoidance of doubt however, it's not just Islam has got a problem with misogyny. Their version may be somewhat more public at the moment but it does look like the 3rd world as a whole (or should that really be hole?) has a massive problem by western mores

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

I saw that yesterday - sickening, isn't it? What was worse than the view of the rapists (repellent though their actions are) was the tacit support of some of the lawyers.

An Indian friend of mine (lives & works in Bangalore) was telling me this morning on an early conference call that he wants to bang his head on the wall with frustration, but made the point that although India is growing up very fast, it's got centuries of history to cover when it comes to things like the caste system and the general feeling that life is, even now, pretty cheap. It's one of the reasons that we've always provided free minibuses from work for our female employees. It may well take them ages to get home (hey, that's Bangalore) but they're home safely.

Some parts of India are 21st Century, but other bits are seemingly stuck in the 1700s; social and political attitudes are somewhere between the two. It's changing, but it will take a very long time for the needle to shift.

[Asterix]

longblackcoat said:

irocfan said:

for the avoidance of doubt however, it's not just Islam has got a problem with misogyny. Their version may be somewhat more public at the moment but it does look like the 3rd world as a whole (or should that really be hole?) has a massive problem by western mores

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

I saw that yesterday - sickening, isn't it? What was worse than the view of the rapists (repellent though their actions are) was the tacit support of some of the lawyers.

An Indian friend of mine (lives & works in Bangalore) was telling me this morning on an early conference call that he wants to bang his head on the wall with frustration, but made the point that although India is growing up very fast, it's got centuries of history to cover when it comes to things like the caste system and the general feeling that life is, even now, pretty cheap. It's one of the reasons that we've always provided free minibuses from work for our female employees. It may well take them ages to get home (hey, that's Bangalore) but they're home safely.

Some parts of India are 21st Century, but other bits are seemingly stuck in the 1700s; social and political attitudes are somewhere between the two. It's changing, but it will take a very long time for the needle to shift.

I'd amend that and say the difference is between the 21st Century and 10,000BC. Same here in the Middle East.

[Countdown]

don4l said:

I'm glad that you have turned up in this thread.

Not sure whether to feel flattered or paranoid.... [I've been here before btw]

don4l said:

Can you please confirm that you are a Muslim

Hi, yes. My name's Countdown and I'm a muslim. It's been 17 months since my last beheading....

don4l said:

and that you do not believe that women who commit adultery should be punished?

Prepare to be shocked......[deep breath].....no! I dont believe women (or men) should be punished for adultery. It's not against the law and, as a hippy once said, "let he who is without sin live in a glass house".

So - these "moderate" muslims...what made you think they were moderate?