The problem with Islam.

[Potatoes]

My word.

I had no idea this forum was home to so many ill informed and overtly racist opinions... I thought there was a little more intelligence in this place.

Has it changed? I'm sure this thread would have been shot down a few years ago.

[TKF]

JensenA said:

Why is it that if you say you are anti Islam/Muslim you are immediately classed as a racist?

Because you are being prejudiced and discriminating against an entire people based on the actions of a small minority.

Say you hate Muslim extremists, fine. Say you you hate the preachers that radicalise based on an ugly interpretation of some text and I don't think anyone would disagree.

To say "I'm anti-Muslim, all 2Bn of 'em, because they're all the same" is a little bit racist.

[trashbat]

Cue someone saying that they're not a race...

[Bill]

zygalski said:

Ah ok.
So I accuse you of being a kiddy-fiddler & PH should just leave that up simply because (in your opinion) the street are awash with paedophiles.
Great.

I just reported that post I quoted earlier again.
Let's see. If it stays, then clearly you can insinuate pretty much anything about another forumite in this place.

Edited by zygalski on Thursday 19th February 19:09

Stop being so precious it was clearly a joke.

[otolith]

wolves_wanderer said:

In before the usual 99 pages of casual racism, bullst and "sky fairy" that plague this place

Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm an equal opportunities provider of "sky fairy" religious disdain.

[4v6]

JensenA said:

Why is it that if you say you are anti Islam/Muslim you are immediately classed as a racist?

Its because those classifying you are simple and dont understand that muslims arent a bloody RACE at all!
They dont think that just anyone can be muslim so they lump all the asians in together based on their own prejudices, hence their ignorance of the terms they use.

Besides, they like to shout "racist!" to try and get attention, much like shouting "paedo!" for effect and to deflect from that ignorance.

For me, I despise all religions, theyre backward, archaic, destructive to progress, cruel and vindictive, deceitful and a blatant lie, they are to my mind fair game to have some thoroughly good sport with, regardless of which one is this months flavour of the week.

BRB, theres some Jehovahs Jedis' at the door needing my immediate attention....

[trashbat]

Aaaand there it is.

[4v6]

trashbat said:

Aaaand there it is.

Nooooo mines several hours later than the earlier one....duh.

[TKF]

trashbat said:

Aaaand there it is.

Took ten minutes though. They're slipping.

[JensenA]

TTwiggy said:

JensenA said:

Why is it that if you say you are anti Islam/Muslim you are immediately classed as a racist? From what I understand, Islam seems totally incompatible with the values of western culture. When there has been trouble in other parts of the world, eg the current tensions between Ukraine and Russia, or the break up of the old Yugoslavia, no one went rushing over there to fight alongside our 'Christian' brothers. But for some reason, Muslims seem to view themselves as Muslims, and not a national of the country they live in. That is something I can't understand, and something that reinforces my suspicion of Islam. The leaders of C of E for example, can come out with statements and 'we' are all free to ridicule and criticize those statements, without fear of offending anyone, and with no fear of any repercussions. Yet 'we' are scared to ridicule or criticise anything that is Muslim.

To answer the first part of your question, I think that sadly it's convenient to some people that the majority of Muslims also happen to be brown of skin. This allows some people to hide their old-fashioned racism behind 'fears about religion.' Nobody in 2015 would dare to be racist, but being anti-religion is positively encouraged. Hence, when someone feels the need to bring up something negative about Islam or Muslims, it's a good idea to consider for a minute exactly what they're agenda is. Note: I am not pointing a finger at anybody in particular, though we have had posts of the 'thinly-veiled' type on here.

The 'brotherhood' thing I think is largely a result of dissafected youths with little or no prospects finding a 'purpose' in life and a convenient rallying point. Much as many young men did in the 1930s when they left behind a similar lack of prospects to take up arms in Spain. The rallying point then was politics rather than religion.

There was a time - not long ago in the great scheme of things – where criticism of the Christian church could get you killed. Islam is a younger and by nature more strident religion. It might need a few years to calm down a bit. I find it sad that it cannot take criticism, but no sadder than the similar pigheadedness displayed by many other forms of organised worship.

I disagree with a few of your points TTwiggy. Apart from a few idiots, the vast majority of British people are well past bigoted racism based on the colour of people's skin. Islam is a cultural thing, not simply a type of religion. Culturally, Catholics, Methodists, CoE, Jews etc etc are culturally 'Western'. I have had friends who's parents originated from China, India, Hong Kong, Viet Nam, Jamaica, Seychelles, all were proud of their cultures, and the colour of their skin was irrelevant to me. They were friends,I socialized with them, went clubbing with them, went out for meals with them, went to Pubs and got drunk with some of them. I even married a Seychelleois girl. There was nothing about any aspect of their culture that was alien to me, nothing that I disagreed with. Without exception all of the above had western cultural values, they all felt perfectly at ease and comfortable here, basically they were British. But Muslims do seem to be different, they do not integrate into our society, they do not like our society or or it's values.

[don4l]

zygalski said:

TTwiggy said:

I'm amazed that Haymarket haven't washed their hands of this place really. It's starting to feel like 'stormfront' in here.

+1
Never seen so many right-wing keyboard warriors given as much free reign as on PH.
Moderation is utterly appalling on this site & that's where the problem lies.
I was basically accused of being a paedophile in this thread...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

FreeLitres said:

zygalski said:

Obsessive paedo-rage.

So, we should just sit back and forgive your type?

...reported the post straight away 5 days ago & it's still there.
Very poor show.
Someone could quite easily take legal action against this site for publishing such unsubstantiated libel.

Edited by zygalski on Thursday 19th February 18:48

Of course it is still there. It was clearly a joke.

Why on Earth can you not see the funny side of it?

[TTwiggy]

JensenA said:

I disagree with a few of your points TTwiggy. Apart from a few idiots, the vast majority of British people are well past bigoted racism based on the colour of people's skin. Islam is a cultural thing, not simply a type of religion. Culturally, Catholics, Methodists, CoE, Jews etc etc are culturally 'Western'. I have had friends who's parents originated from China, India, Hong Kong, Viet Nam, Jamaica, Seychelles, all were proud of their cultures, and the colour of their skin was irrelevant to me. They were friends,I socialized with them, went clubbing with them, went out for meals with them, went to Pubs and got drunk with some of them. I even married a Seychelleois girl. There was nothing about any aspect of their culture that was alien to me, nothing that I disagreed with. Without exception all of the above had western cultural values, they all felt perfectly at ease and comfortable here, basically they were British. But Muslims do seem to be different, they do not integrate into our society, they do not like our society or or it's values.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I reckon it's because they don't drink. I really do. We are a nation of alcoholics and we don't trust anyone else who isn't.

[Potatoes]

This thread is fking ridiculous.

Can a mod close it so the world doesn't think PH is populated by bigoted idiots who believe whatever st they're fed about a religion they know nothing about.

fking ridiculous.

[trashbat]

JensenA said:

But Muslims do seem to be different, they do not integrate into our society, they do not like our society or or it's values.

What, none of them? How many do you know?

How do you feel about the integration abilities of Hasidic Jews, out of interest?

If your basis for comparison is how much you can chat to them in the pub, you're on to a loser from the start though

[trashbat]

Potatoes said:

This thread is fking ridiculous.

Can a mod close it so the world doesn't think PH is populated by bigoted idiots who believe whatever st they're fed about a religion they know nothing about.

fking ridiculous.

But it is!

If anything, it's better that it's in a blatant thread, rather than slowly shoehorned into every N&PE thread.

[zygalski]

I just found out don4l is a fully paid-up BNP member.

[Potatoes]

trashbat said:

But it is!

If anything, it's better that it's in a blatant thread, rather than slowly shoehorned into every N&PE thread.

You're right in a way... it seems to be more acceptible to share these bigoted opinions for some reason.

Interesting fact: the number 1 book bought by convicted/killed Muslim terrorist = Quran for Dummies. (CIA research)

These guys are no more Muslim than Jeremy Clarkson. Most are low level gangsters/criminals looking for a cause...

[TKF]

zygalski said:

I just found out don4l is a fully paid-up BNP member.

I heard he's not fully paid up. His last cheque bounced after his company went belly up.

[don4l]

TKF said:

JensenA said:

Why is it that if you say you are anti Islam/Muslim you are immediately classed as a racist?

Because you are being prejudiced and discriminating against an entire people based on the actions of a small minority.

Say you hate Muslim extremists, fine. Say you you hate the preachers that radicalise based on an ugly interpretation of some text and I don't think anyone would disagree.

To say "I'm anti-Muslim, all 2Bn of 'em, because they're all the same" is a little bit racist.

The problem is that there is no ultimate leader in the Muslim world.

I can remember the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland. There were religious leaders of both communities... and they spoke out publicly. They were unequivocal. The fifth commandment stated that "Thou shalt not kill."

No ifs, no buts.

Many, many Catholics and Protestants spoke out against the violence, and said nothing to defend either side.

When the same conversations happen in relation to Muslim terrorism, we seem to get an awful lot of people screaming "Racist". We don't hear the condemnation that we heard from both the Catholic and Protestant majorities.

This is why these threads always go the same way. They will continue to go the same way until the majority of Muslims speak out publicly against terrorism.

[zygalski]

TKF said:

zygalski said:

I just found out don4l is a fully paid-up BNP member.

I heard he's not fully paid up. His last cheque bounced after his company went belly up.

And then there's the real reason why his 3rd marriage failed.