Finally, proof there is no God.

Finally, proof there is no God.

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///ajd

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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anonymous-user

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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///ajd said:
That was suggested months ago.
Do keep up!

don4l

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175 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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///ajd said:
It won't get interesting.

There is nothing in that article that comes anywhere close to explaining "sentience".

It makes a very poor attempt to explain why trees and grasses have come into existence, but it does nothing to demonstrate why you or I have identities. We have memories and personalities.

nelly1

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Moonhawk

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218 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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Hardly a new idea - I have proposed such an idea a few times in response to evolution debates.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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In any case why should proof be needed that something doesn't exist?

What should be asked for is proof, or even substantial evidence of existence and there ain't been any yet.............

nyxster

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170 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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The thing is, in the first bit of the bible, it says there was an infinite nothing. So what exactly was God doing for the infinite time in the infinite nothing before he decided to make the earth and torment us all?


Moonhawk

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218 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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don4l said:
It won't get interesting.

There is nothing in that article that comes anywhere close to explaining "sentience".

It makes a very poor attempt to explain why trees and grasses have come into existence, but it does nothing to demonstrate why you or I have identities. We have memories and personalities.
Talk about moving the goalposts.

Religionist: "Science can't explain how life arose from non life"

Scientist: "Actually - we have a new theory that can explain just that"

Religionist: "Yeh.....well....erm.....science can't explain how sentience arose"

Sentience is a bit of a woolly philosophical term anyway. Unless you can precisely define what you mean by sentience, it's difficult to theorise how it arose (or if it is even a valid concept at all).

mybrainhurts

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254 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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nyxster said:
The thing is, in the first bit of the bible, it says there was an infinite nothing. So what exactly was God doing for the infinite time in the infinite nothing before he decided to make the earth and torment us all?

That's obvious, FFS. Watching East Enders made him as mad as hell....

Blib

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196 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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Atheists spend an inordinate amount of time trying to prove God doesn't exist. It's becoming like some kind of religion to some of them.

Most God-fearin' folk don't give a monkey's cuss about what atheists believe. I think they refer to their faith. That just about covers it. No logarithm can defeat faith.

George111

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250 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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But I am God and I certainly exist so article is bks smile

Moonhawk

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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Blib said:
Atheists spend an inordinate amount of time trying to prove God doesn't exist. It's becoming like some kind of religion to some of them.
I personally don't care - it's an exercise in futility for two reasons:

1. It's virtually impossible (if not impossible) to prove a negative. You can't prove an arbitrary 'something' does not exist - especially if it's ill defined to start with or it's adherents can simply move the goalposts at any time.

2. To quote a famous saying "You can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place"

Science will never prove god doesn't exist - nor should scientists waste their time trying to.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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So is it proof, a theory or hypothesis?
hehe

Moonhawk

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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anonymous said:
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Reading the article, despite the Independent calling it a theory - it actually sounds like a hypothesis that is yet to be fully tested.

Somehow I doubt the hypothesis mentions god at all - it's simply a headline grab by the Independent.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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Blib said:
Atheists spend an inordinate amount of time trying to prove God doesn't exist. It's becoming like some kind of religion to some of them.


Most God-fearin' folk don't give a monkey's cuss about what atheists believe. I think they refer to their faith. That just about covers it. No logarithm can defeat faith.
Wouldn't agree with your first comment, not at all what I've seen. On the contrary, the planet's religions, without exception, appear to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to stop the faithful thinking for themselves IMO.

Your right in the second point though, faith is the standard cop out. No evidence, have faith. Don't understand something, have faith. Suspect you're actually wrong, have faith. Etc.


mybrainhurts

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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ash73 said:
chimps at tea party said:
life itself came about by necessity – it follows from the laws of nature
And what created the laws of nature?
Tony bloody Blair

mybrainhurts

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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George111 said:
But I am God and I certainly exist so article is bks smile
No you're not, I am god...and so is my wife.

Blib

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196 months

Wednesday 25th February 2015
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REALIST123 said:
Blib said:
Atheists spend an inordinate amount of time trying to prove God doesn't exist. It's becoming like some kind of religion to some of them.


Most God-fearin' folk don't give a monkey's cuss about what atheists believe. I think they refer to their faith. That just about covers it. No logarithm can defeat faith.
Wouldn't agree with your first comment, not at all what I've seen. On the contrary, the planet's religions, without exception, appear to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to stop the faithful thinking for themselves IMO.

Your right in the second point though, faith is the standard cop out. No evidence, have faith. Don't understand something, have faith. Suspect you're actually wrong, have faith. Etc.
What fascinates me is that many tens of millions of people lead happy, productive, peaceful lives and they claim that their faith is the basis, the bedrock of all that they achieve.

I've yet to see an atheist explain that one away. (Not that I've actively looked for such an explanation, admittedly) hehe

Moonhawk

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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REALIST123 said:
Wouldn't agree with your first comment, not at all what I've seen.
Actually i'd go along with that.

There must be an awful lot of atheists in this country (25.7% answered "no religion" in the 2011 census), however I have yet to see an atheist street preacher, have yet to have atheists knocking on my door wanting to talk to me about the lack of a god etc.

Yes - the likes of Hitchins and Dawkins may be fairly vocal and outspoken on the issue - but when you look at the amount of air time, column inches etc they get as compared to religious adherents which have entire TV channels, books, magazines, people standing on street corners every day etc - all devoted to spreading the word and trying to convert people - some Atheist's attempts at trying to convince people otherwise must represent a tiny, tiny fraction of this.

Edited by Moonhawk on Wednesday 25th February 21:58

Moonhawk

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Wednesday 25th February 2015
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Blib said:
What fascinates me is that many tens of millions of people lead happy, productive, peaceful lives and they claim that their faith is the basis, the bedrock of all that they achieve.

I've yet to see an atheist explain that one away. (Not that I've actively looked for such an explanation, admittedly) hehe
Why does it need explaining away? It is well documented that if people have a positive outlook - they are more likely to achieve. The fact that some people attribute their positive outlook to their faith is hardly surprising.