Thatcher - poor judgement
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crankedup said:
Thankfully not all PH'ers are so rabidly biased, just most it seems apart from ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ prepared to state the facts.
Nothing is as tedious as those in denial of reality. I think Derek is right when he suggests 'names' will not appear in reports.
Thatcher is never above honest criticism, just the same as any P.M. past or present imo.
Well then why don't you try some honest criticism?Nothing is as tedious as those in denial of reality. I think Derek is right when he suggests 'names' will not appear in reports.
Thatcher is never above honest criticism, just the same as any P.M. past or present imo.
Edited by crankedup on Thursday 26th February 14:26
andymadmak said:
crankedup said:
And whilst some PH'ers go into a frenzy (why not) over those kiddy fiddlers recently caught, it appears 'out of bounds' to criticize those in power that allowed them to get away with it. Not only that but Honour at least one of them! And some have the neck to call me a hypocrite.
And yet, if it was a blatant and "well known" as you claim, there should be some documented advice that you can produce that she ignored. If not its just another case of that lazy, smeary, nastiness that you have a habit of indulging in from time to time when your target is a Conservative politician. If (and I say IF) Thatcher knew as you claim - what then is the excuse for Blair who cavorted with Savile years later when people REALLY must have known? You single out Thatcher because it suits your political dogma. You provide no evidence because you know you cannot. Like I said, ...lazy, smeary nastiness.
Shame on you Crankedup.
As for other politicians, fully agree but the likes of Blair are pulled out on a regular basis for a revulsion thread by the Labour Party haters on this forum, so a little balance occasionally is needed imo.
crankedup said:
Just to keep to the facts, I stand by what I have said, anybody who takes just a smidgeon of interest in politics knows that what I have stated is factual. For those who prefer to sham shock, wake up and smell the coffee (haven't used that expression for years).
Still waiting for the supporting evidence.....
Murph7355 said:
crankedup said:
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Nothing is as tedious as those in denial of reality. I think Derek is right when he suggests 'names' will not appear in reports. ...
Except for.... Nothing is as tedious as those in denial of reality. I think Derek is right when he suggests 'names' will not appear in reports. ...
- those who seek out the one person on a thread agreeing with their pov and hence declaring everyone else as blind.
- your incessant dredging up spurious reasons to try to nail a PM who hasn't been in power for 20yrs.
Why? What the hell are you trying to say? Keep it less politically motivated, look at the list of photos a subsequent poster gave and perhaps try to make a valid point generically and maybe you'll sound a bit less like George Galloway's less rational brother!
Or maybe start to look beyond the end of your nose and start asking why the merry f*ck the media appear to be avoid self critique in all of these sordid affairs. You're lapping up the rubbish they spew out without focusing your ire on those very outlets that fostered this.
The Don of Croy said:
crankedup said:
unrepentant said:
She knew that Peter Morrison was a paedophile, it was very well known in Westminster and she was advised about it. Didn't stop her from making him her PPS though. I just think that in the past 30 years attitudes have changed.
And whilst some PH'ers go into a frenzy (why not) over those kiddy fiddlers recently caught, it appears 'out of bounds' to criticize those in power that allowed them to get away with it. Not only that but Honour at least one of them! And some have the neck to call me a hypocrite.Now it may upset a few dedicated followers of their perceived great and good being pulled for a little bit of debate, which in some POV's is warranted, but that's life. If you want to have a debate about some other political leaders gaff's, go ahead, no worries for me!
ATG said:
crankedup said:
Thankfully not all PH'ers are so rabidly biased, just most it seems apart from ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ prepared to state the facts.
Nothing is as tedious as those in denial of reality. I think Derek is right when he suggests 'names' will not appear in reports.
Thatcher is never above honest criticism, just the same as any P.M. past or present imo.
Well then why don't you try some honest criticism?Nothing is as tedious as those in denial of reality. I think Derek is right when he suggests 'names' will not appear in reports.
Thatcher is never above honest criticism, just the same as any P.M. past or present imo.
Edited by crankedup on Thursday 26th February 14:26
crankedup said:
Clearly, you are deluded if you honestly believe Thatcher knew nothing about Savile's back-story prior to her bestowing the bloke with an Honour. That goes for all the Thatcher adoration society in here.
What I believe is neither here nor there. I'm just finding your style of argument hilarious."Can you provide some evidence? "
"Yes. The obviousness alone is sufficient. And if your want more proof, then just look at the delusional nature of anyone who asks me to provide evidence. "
crankedup said:
I think you're over frothing, try to keep things in perspective!
The problem is, your previous posts about Thatcher; that she destroyed British Manufacturing, that she destroyed coal mining, that she destroyed your export industries, that she is responsible for the current price of houses, are all so easily shown to be utter bilge that you've finally switched to a smear that can't be so trivially dissproved. The lack of evidence is clear proof of a cover up right? That would be smart if you hadn't already shown your rather tragic hand. In the run up to the electorate finally flushing the LibDems down the toilet of history in a few months can we expect more of this sad, spurious, flailing?
fblm said:
crankedup said:
I think you're over frothing, try to keep things in perspective!
The problem is, your previous posts about Thatcher; that she destroyed British Manufacturing, that she destroyed coal mining, that she destroyed your export industries, that she is responsible for the current price of houses, are all so easily shown to be utter bilge that you've finally switched to a smear that can't be so trivially dissproved. The lack of evidence is clear proof of a cover up right? That would be smart if you hadn't already shown your rather tragic hand. In the run up to the electorate finally flushing the LibDems down the toilet of history in a few months can we expect more of this sad, spurious, flailing?As for the subject,its all true though! and I am yet to see any genuine 'evidence' to the contrary. You see its a political thing.
Anyhow, bleat all you like along with the remaining Thatcher adoration society, if you seriously believe she had no prior knowledge of saviles sexual illegal activities prior to her awarding him an Honour then you really are deluded. Trying to find written 'evidence' is impossible from Government sources, as expected.
otolith said:
People like Saville don't get awards because the government thinks they deserve them, they get them because the government thinks that the public think they deserve them. Was Saville's award unpopular with the public at the time?
Come off it, utter nonsense especially during the time frame involving Thatcher. Otherwise, to coin the so loved phrase in here, show me you're evidence! crankedup said:
otolith said:
People like Saville don't get awards because the government thinks they deserve them, they get them because the government thinks that the public think they deserve them. Was Saville's award unpopular with the public at the time?
Come off it, utter nonsense especially during the time frame involving Thatcher. Otherwise, to coin the so loved phrase in here, show me you're evidence! crankedup said:
Its not my problem, its you're problem! I will continue to frustrate and annoy, apparently, whilst exercising my Democratic right in freedom of expression. Something you and others in here seem to have scant regard for.
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