Migration into UK soars

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FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Digga said:
Cheap immigrant builders, working all hours, living crammed together in squalid, dingy little sheds... Funny how history has a habit of repeating itself, isn't it?

That's living alright!


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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ewenm said:
BlackLabel said:
Net migration reaches 318,000 – up 100,000 in the past 12 months

article said:
The data showed that 641,000 immigrants came to the UK in 2014. Migration from the EU – over which the Government has no control – rose by 67,000 to 268,000 and by 42,000 from outside the EU to 290,000.
I saw those figures on the news last night... where did the other 83,000 come from if not EU or non-EU?
The other 83k are British citizens.

ons.gov.uk said:
641,000 people immigrated to the UK in 2014, a statistically significant increase from 526,000 in 2013. There were statistically significant increases for immigration of EU (non-British) citizens (up 67,000 to 268,000) and non-EU citizens (up 42,000 to 290,000). Immigration of British citizens increased by 7,000 to 83,000, but this was not statistically significant.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/may-2015/stb-msqr-may-2015.html

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Mrr T said:
You I assume you read the Daily Wail.

The world I live in requires some knowledge of renting property.

The facts are most landlords need to borrow money to buy rental properties. You then need to insure the property. If you are letting a house to more than 3 tenants, and there is any serious damage and you have not a) met the relevant standards, and b) told the insurance company its a HMO, and the insurance company finds out they will not pay out on the insurance. Leaving the landlord with the bank debt but no property. A very limited number of landlords may take the risk but its a bad business model and can quickly lead to filling for bankruptcy.
David Cameron this week said:
If you want one figure that demonstrates the scale of the challenge that we face, when we asked those officials they told us this very simple fact: according to official figures, there are 300 houses of multiple occupancy in the borough of Ealing. But this new data reveals that the true figure is more like 20,000.

At that point I said, “You mean 20,000 in the whole of London?” And they said, "No, 20,000 in Ealing."
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ewenm

28,506 posts

244 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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BlackLabel said:
ewenm said:
BlackLabel said:
Net migration reaches 318,000 – up 100,000 in the past 12 months

article said:
The data showed that 641,000 immigrants came to the UK in 2014. Migration from the EU – over which the Government has no control – rose by 67,000 to 268,000 and by 42,000 from outside the EU to 290,000.
I saw those figures on the news last night... where did the other 83,000 come from if not EU or non-EU?
The other 83k are British citizens.

ons.gov.uk said:
641,000 people immigrated to the UK in 2014, a statistically significant increase from 526,000 in 2013. There were statistically significant increases for immigration of EU (non-British) citizens (up 67,000 to 268,000) and non-EU citizens (up 42,000 to 290,000). Immigration of British citizens increased by 7,000 to 83,000, but this was not statistically significant.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/may-2015/stb-msqr-may-2015.html
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Mrr T

12,152 posts

264 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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BlackLabel said:
Mrr T said:
You I assume you read the Daily Wail.

The world I live in requires some knowledge of renting property.

The facts are most landlords need to borrow money to buy rental properties. You then need to insure the property. If you are letting a house to more than 3 tenants, and there is any serious damage and you have not a) met the relevant standards, and b) told the insurance company its a HMO, and the insurance company finds out they will not pay out on the insurance. Leaving the landlord with the bank debt but no property. A very limited number of landlords may take the risk but its a bad business model and can quickly lead to filling for bankruptcy.
David Cameron this week said:
If you want one figure that demonstrates the scale of the challenge that we face, when we asked those officials they told us this very simple fact: according to official figures, there are 300 houses of multiple occupancy in the borough of Ealing. But this new data reveals that the true figure is more like 20,000.

At that point I said, “You mean 20,000 in the whole of London?” And they said, "No, 20,000 in Ealing."
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Any connection between a story in the Daily Wail and the truth is purely accidental.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Mrr T said:
Any connection between a story in the Daily Wail and the truth is purely accidental.
In general, granted, but in this specific case, I think the supporting evidence is fairly plain to evaluate; i.e. the sources are official.

When a government comes into office, it is fairly obvious that this is the absolute best time to tackle problems that might be considered difficult or divisive. I think, on any number of fronts, we can expect sweeping changes, justified by other similar "it's worse than we thought" reports.

Boosted LS1

21,167 posts

259 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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It's not just us who have it bad. Things in sweden are truly dire.

https://www.facebook.com/nejtacktillislamisering/p...

JensenA

5,671 posts

229 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Will one of you who has posted on here defending the number of immigrants arriving into this country, please explain to me why you defend, and welcome it.
350,000 in just one year!! I live in Grimsby, population of about 80,000. Grimsby has a lot of schools, a big hospital, countless GP surgeries and dentists, 350,000 immigrants a year is 4 Grimsby's appearing every year - and before the jokes roll in, it's actually a much nicer town than you'd think. All those institutions that Imlisted are paid for out of the public purse, ie Taxpayers like you amd me pay for it.
It is not racism that motivates those who call for an end to this mass migration to the UK, it is pragmatism.

PRTVR

7,073 posts

220 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Mrr T said:
PRTVR said:
BlackLabel said:
Mrr T said:
So you are suggesting the employer is paying less than the minimum wage? As for letting to 12 people. I assume you understand the costs of maintaining a house of multiple occupancy.
About the same as the costs involved in maintaining a shed/'house' in your back garden. The authorities cannot even get a grip on the aforementioned issue so do you really think rogue landlords who don't maintain and handle their HMOs properly really give a st? Council enforcement of this is pathetic - probably because they don't want to kick people out onto the street only to be responsible for then housing them.

Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 4th March 19:21
I think from Mrr T comments he doesn't live in the real world, I can only think he must be a politician.
hehe
You I assume you read the Daily Wail.

The world I live in requires some knowledge of renting property.

The facts are most landlords need to borrow money to buy rental properties. You then need to insure the property. If you are letting a house to more than 3 tenants, and there is any serious damage and you have not a) met the relevant standards, and b) told the insurance company its a HMO, and the insurance company finds out they will not pay out on the insurance. Leaving the landlord with the bank debt but no property. A very limited number of landlords may take the risk but its a bad business model and can quickly lead to filling for bankruptcy.
I can only talk from the experience of my son, when he was in rented property at college, in the flat above his were at times up to 10 polish plasterers living in a two bedroom flat, I do not think they told the landlord how many where going to live in the flat, so unless landlords are checking the property at regular intervals how do you stop it? Especially if the landlord has multiple properties.

JensenA

5,671 posts

229 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Mrr T said:
Any connection between a story in the Daily Wail and the truth is purely accidental.
MrrT. You need to leave your sheltered perfect life for a while, and move into the real world. You paint a picture of the rental housing market as though it is perfect with everyone obeying the Laws and regulations, with Landlords providing perfectly maintained properties, occupied by perfect Tenants. In the real world there are owners who purchase sub-standard, 'un sellable' properties, typically run down old Terrace houses, in areas where no one wants to buy a house. Letting Agency businesses have sprung up, who manage these properties for the absent owners, they ignore the rules and regulations, and base their Rental value on the maximum figure the Local authority will pay in Housing benefit. Houses are rented out to anyone who has enough money to afford the deposit, and provided the rent is paid, no further questions are asked. .

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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JensenA said:
Mrr T said:
Any connection between a story in the Daily Wail and the truth is purely accidental.
MrrT. You need to leave your sheltered perfect life for a while, and move into the real world. You paint a picture of the rental housing market as though it is perfect with everyone obeying the Laws and regulations, with Landlords providing perfectly maintained properties, occupied by perfect Tenants. In the real world there are owners who purchase sub-standard, 'un sellable' properties, typically run down old Terrace houses, in areas where no one wants to buy a house. Letting Agency businesses have sprung up, who manage these properties for the absent owners, they ignore the rules and regulations, and base their Rental value on the maximum figure the Local authority will pay in Housing benefit. Houses are rented out to anyone who has enough money to afford the deposit, and provided the rent is paid, no further questions are asked. .
Is it 'sheltered' or just bigoted and blinkered?
Whatever the cause, these 'opinions' are facile and should be kept to themselves until some life experience gained.

If MrT thinks an article is factually incorrect, then instead of cheap shots, he should critique the article and present his 'brainwave' evidence.

Many posters make the mistake of lumping the Mail's flashy pics with their (the poster's) world view.
My observations as a Mail online reader:
Some of the Mail's articles are junk, some are biased (particular against UKIP) but some are factual and others straight off the teletype, so the same as the other news outlets.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Net migration hits a record high of 330,000.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015...

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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BlackLabel said:
Net migration hits a record high of 330,000.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2015...
& past promises

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34071579


So who is leaving & why, and who is coming in and why?

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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It appears that, post general election - the 'surpise' UKIP knockout of the Lib Dims - even the Guardian and the BBC begrudgingly accept this is a topic high on the agenda of a very significant proportion of the population. It's not only the white, working class 'British' bigots, but also first, second and even third generation immigrants, who see the UK that they know as their home is under threat.

muffinmenace

1,029 posts

187 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Mermaid said:
& past promises

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34071579


So who is leaving & why, and who is coming in and why?
For a better life, on all counts hehe

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Kids seem to have got the issue nailled at any rate: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/32592640

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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muffinmenace said:
Mermaid said:
& past promises

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34071579

So who is leaving & why, and who is coming in and why?
For a better life, on all counts hehe
That's the truth smile Thought for the day.

Zoon

6,654 posts

120 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Something seriously needs to be done about the asylum seekers flocking here.

I have no issue with people in work who have skills we need in this country coming here to live.

I do take offence when I see people coming here on a free meal ticket with no intention to work and basically live off the state. We have enough of our own population already doing that.

The government needs to address this and quick.

I also cannot understand why we house and feed a terror preaching idiot and his family at the tax payers expense? We may as well dig Hitler up and make him a national hero.

Digga

40,207 posts

282 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Zoon said:
I do take offence when I see people coming here on a free meal ticket with no intention to work and basically live off the state. We have enough of our own population already doing that.
It is interesting, if you look at the link I posted at 10:16 above, where a group of kids - of different backgrounds - from the same school discuss the topic. That is, essentially, the recurring theme; immigration is okay, as long as the individuals are going to help.

Mermaid

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21,492 posts

170 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Digga said:
Zoon said:
I do take offence when I see people coming here on a free meal ticket with no intention to work and basically live off the state. We have enough of our own population already doing that.
It is interesting, if you look at the link I posted at 10:16 above, where a group of kids - of different backgrounds - from the same school discuss the topic. That is, essentially, the recurring theme; immigration is okay, as long as the individuals are going to help.
Those kids are sensible and the word "control" is used often. No/poor control leads to unpredictable repercussions those kids will paying the price for.