Migration into UK soars
Discussion
oyster said:
HonestIago said:
oyster said:
Good.
More taxpayers to help offset the ageing population.
I do hope that's sarcasm!More taxpayers to help offset the ageing population.
In any case, immigration and flow of labour is as capitalistic as it gets.
Otherwise as a nation we are f
ked.Apathy among even young teenagers is rife, as in some areas of the UK they see overwhelming evidence that they're unlikely to get a job driving a van/ assembly work/ factory as they have the misfortune of being born British. The greedy agencies tasked with filling these vacancies would rather tap into the endless stream of temporary workers ££££££££££
Shameful.
Really.
ATG said:
It was a stupid promise made to attract stupid voters. It was clearly undeliverable. Furthermore delivering it would have been a bad thing. We attract a lot of cheap foreign labour and a lot of extremely highly skilled foreign labour. If that's more competition for our homegrown workers at either end of the skills scale, good. Competition is good. Diversity is good. Anyone who feels threatened by it, tough.
Agree 100%From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU), to the attractive, and extremely polite Eastern European woman that does me a milky coffee in the mornings. I say it's fair game. The problem is that our (starting to use the our more loosely these days) homegrown people don't come up to scratch in a skills sense in most situations.
My missus does a couple evenings a week in a pub (£7 p/h I add) to take the strain off my wages covering everything.
We do what needs to be done to get by, whereas, others don't do what's needed, and bellyache about the foreigners.
ATG said:
It was a stupid promise made to attract stupid voters. It was clearly undeliverable. Furthermore delivering it would have been a bad thing. We attract a lot of cheap foreign labour and a lot of extremely highly skilled foreign labour. If that's more competition for our homegrown workers at either end of the skills scale, good. Competition is good. Diversity is good. Anyone who feels threatened by it, tough.
Areas of the UK are turning into utter stholes , were you one of the voters?. For every highly skilled import there are a 1000 unskilled and even more off the radar doing f
kall.Do you have any idea how many highly skilled are leaving the UK ?
DeanR32 said:
From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU)
Perfect example of how clueless some of you "immigrants are better than natives innit" advocates are... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10773857/Half-...
DeanR32 said:
ATG said:
It was a stupid promise made to attract stupid voters. It was clearly undeliverable. Furthermore delivering it would have been a bad thing. We attract a lot of cheap foreign labour and a lot of extremely highly skilled foreign labour. If that's more competition for our homegrown workers at either end of the skills scale, good. Competition is good. Diversity is good. Anyone who feels threatened by it, tough.
Agree 100%From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU), to the attractive, and extremely polite Eastern European woman that does me a milky coffee in the mornings. I say it's fair game. The problem is that our (starting to use the our more loosely these days) homegrown people don't come up to scratch in a skills sense in most situations.
My missus does a couple evenings a week in a pub (£7 p/h I add) to take the strain off my wages covering everything.
We do what needs to be done to get by, whereas, others don't do what's needed, and bellyache about the foreigners.
Brilliant.
Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 26th February 11:24
Yazar said:
DeanR32 said:
From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU)
Perfect example of how clueless some of you are. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10773857/Half-...
Yazar said:
DeanR32 said:
From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU)
Perfect example of how clueless some of you "immigrants are better than natives innit" advocates are... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10773857/Half-...
And what's with the "innit" bit?
superkartracer said:
Great, so the UK doctors that are leaving are being replaced by doctors with poor english and the rest are serving coffee and packing jiffy bags.
Brilliant.
My GP speaks perfect English. The nurse is English, but to be honest, she's a bit crap (so says my wife).Brilliant.
Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 26th February 11:24
Maybe our surgeries are worlds apart, but ours is a great practice
Once again we get the usual people turn up and say it's all good and fine and needed without any thought. Immigration unchecked is a massive lost opportunity for the UK. Have immigration, have the debate about how many is a sustainable number each year for long term planning, but just pitching up and wishing to be seen as a nice person for supporting immigration in the face of those you see as nasty for not totally embracing it is the height of stupidity.
This country could have picked who it wanted , when it wanted and had almost none of the downsides that the EU open door has given us. That was the ideal, the current system is much less than that. Thinking of today and proclaiming reports that in the short term immigration is of benefit but long term will result in a huge cost, isn't that bright. People should really be angry that immigration is delivering massively less benefit than it should be. It seems here that some have been suckered because they have been told they made a £2 profit for something, when they really should have got £6 for it if they'd just thought about it a bit more.
Do any of the 'pro' side want to stick their neck out and talk numbers, like how many each year is sustainable and good for the UK. Not just for today but long term ?
This country could have picked who it wanted , when it wanted and had almost none of the downsides that the EU open door has given us. That was the ideal, the current system is much less than that. Thinking of today and proclaiming reports that in the short term immigration is of benefit but long term will result in a huge cost, isn't that bright. People should really be angry that immigration is delivering massively less benefit than it should be. It seems here that some have been suckered because they have been told they made a £2 profit for something, when they really should have got £6 for it if they'd just thought about it a bit more.
Do any of the 'pro' side want to stick their neck out and talk numbers, like how many each year is sustainable and good for the UK. Not just for today but long term ?
superkartracer said:
Areas of the UK are turning into utter stholes , were you one of the voters?.
For every highly skilled import there are a 1000 unskilled and even more off the radar doing fkall.
Do you have any idea how many highly skilled are leaving the UK ?
Plenty of areas of the UK have been utter stholes , were you one of the voters?. For every highly skilled import there are a 1000 unskilled and even more off the radar doing f
kall.Do you have any idea how many highly skilled are leaving the UK ?
tholes for years. They are cheap places to live. Therefore they attract people who are just starting out ... like a lot of immigrants. So a lot of immigrants start out living in areas that are _already_ st holes.There were some stats on the radio this morning saying 1 in 10 of top skilled workers were leaving the UK. They didn't say what they meant by top skills nor did they say over what period of time 1 in 10 were leaving ... nor whether they were born in the UK in the first place ... not whether they intended to return.
Is there a brain drain? I doubt it. We're outperforming most major economies at the moment. We're a pretty good place to set up new businesses. We've got the best universities outside the US. We've got a good track record in innovation and knowledge based business. I see no crisis.
DeanR32 said:
Yazar said:
DeanR32 said:
From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU)
Perfect example of how clueless some of you "immigrants are better than natives innit" advocates are... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10773857/Half-...
And what's with the "innit" bit?
So you posted that your GP was excellent, when research and facts say that your single observation is not the true picture and we have let in many doctors from countries where standards are lower, or where a bribe would be enough to get them through a medical degree! And as result patients have actually died directly due to this.
Innit was valid as you went out of your way to state that the eastern european was attractive, as if that was somehow relevant...
There's no difference between a skilled worker from London seeking a job in Bristol than there is the same skilled worker from Istanbul, or New York, or Bangalore, or Mogadishu, or Paris.
To want protectionism solely on the basis of nationality (or even cultural background as some on here seem to suggest) is fundamentally against the principles of a free market and indeed is more akin to communism.
To want protectionism solely on the basis of nationality (or even cultural background as some on here seem to suggest) is fundamentally against the principles of a free market and indeed is more akin to communism.
Yazar said:
DeanR32 said:
Yazar said:
DeanR32 said:
From the doctor in my local surgery (non EU)
Perfect example of how clueless some of you "immigrants are better than natives innit" advocates are... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/10773857/Half-...
And what's with the "innit" bit?
So you posted that your GP was excellent, when research and facts say that your single observation is not the true picture and we have let in many doctors from countries where standards are lower, or where a bribe would be enough to get them through a medical degree! And as result patients have actually died directly due to this.
Innit was valid as you went out of your way to state that the eastern european was attractive, as if that was somehow relevant...
Mr B
Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure I've said this before. They can do whatever they want at the borders. And I don't like seeing people from overseas outside the local Wickes looking for work (although at least they're looking for some!).
I see, in my day to day coming and going, plenty of immigrants doing a fine job (whatever field that may be), and I don't think they should be denied the chance to come here to work and get along. From the lowest skilled to the highest, I don't mind them coming here an having a good go at it.
No one like to see houses full of slave workers, or the criminally minded that come here. Saying that, I don't like our own criminals much neither
Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure I've said this before. They can do whatever they want at the borders. And I don't like seeing people from overseas outside the local Wickes looking for work (although at least they're looking for some!).
I see, in my day to day coming and going, plenty of immigrants doing a fine job (whatever field that may be), and I don't think they should be denied the chance to come here to work and get along. From the lowest skilled to the highest, I don't mind them coming here an having a good go at it.
No one like to see houses full of slave workers, or the criminally minded that come here. Saying that, I don't like our own criminals much neither
DeanR32 said:
Mr B
Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure I've said this before. They can do whatever they want at the borders. And I don't like seeing people from overseas outside the local Wickes looking for work (although at least they're looking for some!).
I see, in my day to day coming and going, plenty of immigrants doing a fine job (whatever field that may be), and I don't think they should be denied the chance to come here to work and get along. From the lowest skilled to the highest, I don't mind them coming here an having a good go at it.
No one like to see houses full of slave workers, or the criminally minded that come here. Saying that, I don't like our own criminals much neither
Do you do agree that we should have controls to prevent those coming here that have no intention of working? Or should it just be the near free for all we have at present?Don't get me wrong, and I'm sure I've said this before. They can do whatever they want at the borders. And I don't like seeing people from overseas outside the local Wickes looking for work (although at least they're looking for some!).
I see, in my day to day coming and going, plenty of immigrants doing a fine job (whatever field that may be), and I don't think they should be denied the chance to come here to work and get along. From the lowest skilled to the highest, I don't mind them coming here an having a good go at it.
No one like to see houses full of slave workers, or the criminally minded that come here. Saying that, I don't like our own criminals much neither
The problem with immigration restrictions is that it is politicians and government who get to select candidates. Given how piss-poor their respective interventions are in similar roles of education and business support, I really don't like this idea.
I am pro-immigration, but cannot see the sense in open borders. Right now people from less advantaged backgrounds and poorer nations are free to come to the UK and try to better themselves whilst, at the same time, criminals and warlords and terrorists - the sort of people and regimes they are fleeing from - also seem to be able to do likewise, with impunity.
I am pro-immigration, but cannot see the sense in open borders. Right now people from less advantaged backgrounds and poorer nations are free to come to the UK and try to better themselves whilst, at the same time, criminals and warlords and terrorists - the sort of people and regimes they are fleeing from - also seem to be able to do likewise, with impunity.
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