Migration into UK soars
Discussion
It's a dire situation but what else can be done? Free movement in the EU is a f
king stupid idea and it's been made very clear that it's a no go for reform, and human rights protect all the illegals getting in.
We need to grow a pair of nuts, shut the doors even if it means leaving the EU, and pick and choose who we want to bring into the country. It would still be a big number but at least it would be a skilled workforce contributing to the economy rather than a vast uncontrollable mess full of spongers. We might then have half a chance of beefing up the schools and hospitals and housing supply to cope a little better than we are now.
king stupid idea and it's been made very clear that it's a no go for reform, and human rights protect all the illegals getting in.We need to grow a pair of nuts, shut the doors even if it means leaving the EU, and pick and choose who we want to bring into the country. It would still be a big number but at least it would be a skilled workforce contributing to the economy rather than a vast uncontrollable mess full of spongers. We might then have half a chance of beefing up the schools and hospitals and housing supply to cope a little better than we are now.
Edited by dazwalsh on Thursday 27th August 11:18
oyster said:
Good.
More taxpayers to help offset the ageing population.
At least the aging population has in the main paid it's NI and other accumulated taxes!!!!More taxpayers to help offset the ageing population.
Just wondering why older people keep getting targeted as being irrelevant or just a burden on the state?
One salient point that is worth bearing in mind - without your older generations nothing would exist anyway!
So please try to at least pretend that you understand how a civilized society is supposed to work.
You work hard - pay taxes - raise a family - pay taxes - become a pensioner - pay taxes.
Become a perceived as a drain on resources - pay taxes! End up in a very expensive care home - sell yours to finance it - simplessssssss
it is perfectly obvious we are in a period of time where immigration levels are high and will remain so for a significant period of time. maybe it is time to start addressing any issues it may cause instead of pretending to attempt to reduce it.
these attempts are actually having a negative effect in terms of making it far harder for the demographic we actually need to come here. james brokenshire (if ever anyone was the epitome of a political pygmy) the immigration minister just spent several minutes saying absolutely nothing on the issue on the bbc ,well apart from mentioning some ambition he and the tories have about reducing immigration below 100k net .far better to start investing all that extra tax generated from high levels of immigration in infrastructure to cope with a higher population,than continue to witter ion about something we quite plainly have very little control over.
as to the posters talking about multiple occupancy houses ,have a look at the situations on most farms these days, ten to a four or five berth caravan. i have to say, people willing to live like that for extended periods of time to better their lives deserve some respect.
these attempts are actually having a negative effect in terms of making it far harder for the demographic we actually need to come here. james brokenshire (if ever anyone was the epitome of a political pygmy) the immigration minister just spent several minutes saying absolutely nothing on the issue on the bbc ,well apart from mentioning some ambition he and the tories have about reducing immigration below 100k net .far better to start investing all that extra tax generated from high levels of immigration in infrastructure to cope with a higher population,than continue to witter ion about something we quite plainly have very little control over.
as to the posters talking about multiple occupancy houses ,have a look at the situations on most farms these days, ten to a four or five berth caravan. i have to say, people willing to live like that for extended periods of time to better their lives deserve some respect.
wc98 said:
it is perfectly obvious we are in a period of time where immigration levels are high and will remain so for a significant period of time. maybe it is time to start addressing any issues it may cause instead of pretending to attempt to reduce it.
these attempts are actually having a negative effect in terms of making it far harder for the demographic we actually need to come here. james brokenshire (if ever anyone was the epitome of a political pygmy) the immigration minister just spent several minutes saying absolutely nothing on the issue on the bbc ,well apart from mentioning some ambition he and the tories have about reducing immigration below 100k net .far better to start investing all that extra tax generated from high levels of immigration in infrastructure to cope with a higher population,than continue to witter ion about something we quite plainly have very little control over.
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High net migration might suit those wanting to turn the south-east into Mega City One, but it is not supported by the general public. these attempts are actually having a negative effect in terms of making it far harder for the demographic we actually need to come here. james brokenshire (if ever anyone was the epitome of a political pygmy) the immigration minister just spent several minutes saying absolutely nothing on the issue on the bbc ,well apart from mentioning some ambition he and the tories have about reducing immigration below 100k net .far better to start investing all that extra tax generated from high levels of immigration in infrastructure to cope with a higher population,than continue to witter ion about something we quite plainly have very little control over.
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75% of the UK population want immigration reduced and it is consistently one of the top 5 most important issues in polling.
How are we living in a democracy if the government simply ignores their demands?.
JagLover said:
High net migration might suit those wanting to turn the south-east into Mega City One, but it is not supported by the general public.
75% of the UK population want immigration reduced and it is consistently one of the top 5 most important issues in polling.
How are we living in a democracy if the government simply ignores their demands?.
i would have to disgree.at the recent general election there was an opportunity for the general public to elect the only party whose policies would have directly had an effect on immigration,and they chose not to. it could not have been that high on the agenda for most that voted. 75% of the UK population want immigration reduced and it is consistently one of the top 5 most important issues in polling.
How are we living in a democracy if the government simply ignores their demands?.
wc98 said:
.. james brokenshire (if ever anyone was the epitome of a political pygmy) the immigration minister just spent several minutes saying absolutely nothing on the issue on the bbc ,well apart from mentioning some ambition he and the tories have about reducing immigration below 100k ne
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Do wish the interviewer had whacked him for saying silly things..
dazwalsh said:
It's a dire situation but what else can be done? Free movement in the EU is a fking stupid idea and it's been made very clear that it's a no go for reform, and human rights protect all the illegals getting in.
We need to grow a pair of nuts, shut the doors even if it means leaving the EU, and pick and choose who we want to bring into the country. It would still be a big number but at least it would be a skilled workforce contributing to the economy rather than a vast uncontrollable mess full of spongers. We might then have half a chance of beefing up the schools and hospitals and housing supply to cope a little better than we are now.
Exactly. It's not a skin color issue. It's a skills/culture issue. No problem with Brazilians, Latvians, Thais etc. Just the moon-god worshipers.king stupid idea and it's been made very clear that it's a no go for reform, and human rights protect all the illegals getting in.We need to grow a pair of nuts, shut the doors even if it means leaving the EU, and pick and choose who we want to bring into the country. It would still be a big number but at least it would be a skilled workforce contributing to the economy rather than a vast uncontrollable mess full of spongers. We might then have half a chance of beefing up the schools and hospitals and housing supply to cope a little better than we are now.
Edited by dazwalsh on Thursday 27th August 11:18
Nikolai Petroff said:
dazwalsh said:
It's a dire situation but what else can be done? Free movement in the EU is a fking stupid idea and it's been made very clear that it's a no go for reform, and human rights protect all the illegals getting in.
We need to grow a pair of nuts, shut the doors even if it means leaving the EU, and pick and choose who we want to bring into the country. It would still be a big number but at least it would be a skilled workforce contributing to the economy rather than a vast uncontrollable mess full of spongers. We might then have half a chance of beefing up the schools and hospitals and housing supply to cope a little better than we are now.
Exactly. It's not a skin color issue. It's a skills/culture issue. No problem with Brazilians, Latvians, Thais etc. Just the moon-god worshipers.king stupid idea and it's been made very clear that it's a no go for reform, and human rights protect all the illegals getting in.We need to grow a pair of nuts, shut the doors even if it means leaving the EU, and pick and choose who we want to bring into the country. It would still be a big number but at least it would be a skilled workforce contributing to the economy rather than a vast uncontrollable mess full of spongers. We might then have half a chance of beefing up the schools and hospitals and housing supply to cope a little better than we are now.
Edited by dazwalsh on Thursday 27th August 11:18
dandarez said:
Net migration is 330,000? Must be 500,000 then!
There must also be half-a-million bleeding hearts out there, just take one in each.
I'm sure they'd each be willing to take just one migrant (or more?), just think of all that loving, care and help they could give.
636,000 I think.There must also be half-a-million bleeding hearts out there, just take one in each.
I'm sure they'd each be willing to take just one migrant (or more?), just think of all that loving, care and help they could give.
wc98 said:
i would have to disgree.at the recent general election there was an opportunity for the general public to elect the only party whose policies would have directly had an effect on immigration,and they chose not to. it could not have been that high on the agenda for most that voted.
The party they elected had promised to bring net-migration down to 100KSo that is what I would expect them to do not give up and decide to concrete the south-east to make room for the massive influx.
There is lots that still can be done it just requires real change.
Ending the non-contributory nature of the benefit system would stop us being a draw for many communities whether that be within the EU or outside.
Scrapping the human rights act would mean we could set effective policy in areas such as family-reunification VISAs without being overruled by the courts.
dandarez said:
Net migration is 330,000? Must be 500,000 then!
There must also be half-a-million bleeding hearts out there, just take one in each.
I'm sure they'd each be willing to take just one migrant (or more?), just think of all that loving, care and help they could give.
In addition to quantum, content matters. Are we importing unskilled people with backward views and losing the people who made Britain great. Government response:There must also be half-a-million bleeding hearts out there, just take one in each.
I'm sure they'd each be willing to take just one migrant (or more?), just think of all that loving, care and help they could give.
Mermaid said:
In addition to quantum, content matters. Are we importing unskilled people with backward views and losing the people who made Britain great. Government response:
I think you know the answer to that question. The Government also does but won't be admitting it. Actually they are busy looking at how to cut the few who do arrive on highly skilled migrant visas in order to eliminate the limited source of economic benefit. wc98 said:
i would have to disgree.at the recent general election there was an opportunity for the general public to elect the only party whose policies would have directly had an effect on immigration,and they chose not to. it could not have been that high on the agenda for most that voted.
Yes, but doesn't mean that all of us posters have to pretend to have the same limited understanding and lack of vision.The honest ones are leaving. Must be so many more normal working families in our midst waiting to come out.
"He said: "It's very, very shocking. They were a normal, working family. Very nice people. I'm very surprised"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-340951...
"He said: "It's very, very shocking. They were a normal, working family. Very nice people. I'm very surprised"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-340951...
wc98 said:
i would have to disgree.at the recent general election there was an opportunity for the general public to elect the only party whose policies would have directly had an effect on immigration,and they chose not to. it could not have been that high on the agenda for most that voted.
I imagine a large part of the problem on that front was that people didn't believe they had any other policies, or ones that stacked up.The Tories committed to a referendum and people will be able to make their choices. I don't see Cameron being able to negotiate sufficiently strong enough terms to prevent the majority of people in this country wanting to leave the EU. Especially if the migration piece continues unabated. So those who backed UKIP get what they wanted.
If he does manage to negotiate terms, they'd have to include control over immigration so maybe it would be worth staying in?
Personally I think the EU will need to look at this collectively anyway. It's not just the UK suffering from this problem (assuming it is one).
Can someone please form the shut the door party We simply cannot afford to keep the doors open
its just a numbers thing there are too many people in the south east of our country they do not seem to want to move north, we have to close the barriers until there is room just like your local car park on a Saturday afternoon
its just a numbers thing there are too many people in the south east of our country they do not seem to want to move north, we have to close the barriers until there is room just like your local car park on a Saturday afternoon
Possibly the only way to partially stop immigration would be to vaporise ISIS and Boko Horam..These are part of the root cause for us being swamped with immigration.There would be more chance of people staying in thier own countries (once they had the message that they dont get the free ride they think they are enyitiled to when they arrive.
Islam does NOT belong in Europe, its a backward sect with everything geared towards hating the west/non believer's so why give these people living space in a "christian county".?
Islamification has wrecked the substructure of the yUK and its deterioration is inevitable.
Someone commented about why do Brits leave .A better lifestyle into a very friendly and beautiful area helped a lot.Come back to the yUK? not a chance!
Islam does NOT belong in Europe, its a backward sect with everything geared towards hating the west/non believer's so why give these people living space in a "christian county".?
Islamification has wrecked the substructure of the yUK and its deterioration is inevitable.
Someone commented about why do Brits leave .A better lifestyle into a very friendly and beautiful area helped a lot.Come back to the yUK? not a chance!
ATG said:
It was a stupid promise made to attract stupid voters. It was clearly undeliverable. Furthermore delivering it would have been a bad thing. We attract a lot of cheap foreign labour and a lot of extremely highly skilled foreign labour. If that's more competition for our homegrown workers at either end of the skills scale, good. Competition is good. Diversity is good. Anyone who feels threatened by it, tough.
What effect does this have on our dole money bill?ATG said:
It was a stupid promise made to attract stupid voters. It was clearly undeliverable. Furthermore delivering it would have been a bad thing. We attract a lot of cheap foreign labour and a lot of extremely highly skilled foreign labour. If that's more competition for our homegrown workers at either end of the skills scale, good. Competition is good. Diversity is good. Anyone who feels threatened by it, tough.
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