OXFORD 'Grooming' Serious Case Review - heads to roll?
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Interactive map of the reported cases from a site called kafir crusaders so not the most reliable source but gives you a fair idea.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=znf3YIvz4...
Notice the three cases in Bristol are rather close to the Barton Hill area where that poor girl has been found chopped up. Probably just a coincidence.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=znf3YIvz4...
Notice the three cases in Bristol are rather close to the Barton Hill area where that poor girl has been found chopped up. Probably just a coincidence.
Edited by jogon on Tuesday 3rd March 10:41
jogon said:
kev1974 said:
Rotherham
Rochdale
Oxfordshire
Where's next?
Reports due out next in Newcastle and Halifax but other cases reported up and down the country from Glasgow, Telford, Norfolk down to Tower Hamlets and Bristol.Rochdale
Oxfordshire
Where's next?
The ITV article about Oxford i posted the other day mentioned Thames Valley including Berkshire and Buckinghamshire too.
It seems to be endemic in every muslim enclave across the country all targeting care homes and using the same vile methods of drink and drugs on 11-15 year old white girls. Sick.
Edited by jogon on Tuesday 3rd March 09:40
Makes you wonder doesn't it....
Whilst the blame ends with those at the top (who move on to take well paid jobs in other places.....you couldn't make it up), there must be (it is the public sector after all...) dozens of people at all levels that were aware this was taking place over the years.
It does take a particular sort of drone (maybe that's why they end up in the public sector) to turn a blind eye to incident after incident no matter which level you're at. Guess whistle blowing takes courage and conviction, both of which seem to be in short supply these days. I suspect most people prefer to keep their heads down, do only what their job description requires and don't stick their heads above the parapet for fear of being disciplined, made an outcast or sacked at which point bang goes the cushy job in Oxford CC...
Not saying that everyone should be an hero but ffs, didn't anyone feel appalled enough or compelled to break silence and go to the press or the like to publicise what was happening.
Maybe it's different in the public sector, but writing as someone that is outspoken, does highlight incompetence and ineptitude at all levels and tells s
t like it is even in my mundane (private) industry to read that this was going on for so long and therefore had to be presided over by so many people who didn't blow the whistle on it is just alien and wrong.
Whilst the blame ends with those at the top (who move on to take well paid jobs in other places.....you couldn't make it up), there must be (it is the public sector after all...) dozens of people at all levels that were aware this was taking place over the years.
It does take a particular sort of drone (maybe that's why they end up in the public sector) to turn a blind eye to incident after incident no matter which level you're at. Guess whistle blowing takes courage and conviction, both of which seem to be in short supply these days. I suspect most people prefer to keep their heads down, do only what their job description requires and don't stick their heads above the parapet for fear of being disciplined, made an outcast or sacked at which point bang goes the cushy job in Oxford CC...
Not saying that everyone should be an hero but ffs, didn't anyone feel appalled enough or compelled to break silence and go to the press or the like to publicise what was happening.
Maybe it's different in the public sector, but writing as someone that is outspoken, does highlight incompetence and ineptitude at all levels and tells s
t like it is even in my mundane (private) industry to read that this was going on for so long and therefore had to be presided over by so many people who didn't blow the whistle on it is just alien and wrong. jogon said:
Interactive map of the reported cases from a site called kafir crusaders so not the most reliable source but gives you a fair idea.
I was looking for that Birmingham newspaper website report about a chap with the same name as the school teacher associate of the the dodgy Ferrari driving West Mids. police officer and brothel keeper that was done for possessing extreme pornography to make the point that the incidents such as that not being reported nationally isn't helpful for the debate and came across this:http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/police-seek-g...
There are some decent chaps out there.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 3rd March 12:48
I'm sure they'll be more to come.
Some of the over-arching factors that caused this were nationally consistent, for example:
1) An excessive focus upon central targets for crime types likes burglary at the expense of other things not measured like CSE.
2) A diversity agenda that made people scared to say "these ethnic groups are committing a disproportional amount of this".
Some of the over-arching factors that caused this were nationally consistent, for example:
1) An excessive focus upon central targets for crime types likes burglary at the expense of other things not measured like CSE.
2) A diversity agenda that made people scared to say "these ethnic groups are committing a disproportional amount of this".
What about Tick Box culture?
It's the same with PCCs. Just another layer of Quango like bureaucracy.
But hey, if procedures are followed and boxes are ticked it must be alright, mustn't it?
No wonder they're all lording it up at Dinner Parties and looking forward to their retirement nest eggs is it, when they've followed procedures so can't be blamed?
Islam is backwards? Immigrants are backwards? The whole flaming country is backwards!
It's the same with PCCs. Just another layer of Quango like bureaucracy.
But hey, if procedures are followed and boxes are ticked it must be alright, mustn't it?
No wonder they're all lording it up at Dinner Parties and looking forward to their retirement nest eggs is it, when they've followed procedures so can't be blamed?
Islam is backwards? Immigrants are backwards? The whole flaming country is backwards!
La Liga said:
2) A diversity agenda that made people scared to say "these ethnic groups are committing a disproportional amount of this".
I think this is a real issue and has resulted in the suffering of many, many people. If we keep ignoring uncomfortable truths they eventually turn into even less comfortable ststorms.What no-one seems to concern themselves about is the huge practical difficulties of "controlling" difficult teenage girls without locking them up. I doubt the girls involved here would take kindly to lifestyle advice from hand-wringing, middle-class do-gooders.
What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
La Liga said:
I'm sure they'll be more to come.
Some of the over-arching factors that caused this were nationally consistent, for example:
1) An excessive focus upon central targets for crime types likes burglary at the expense of other things not measured like CSE.
2) A diversity agenda that made people scared to say "these ethnic groups are committing a disproportional amount of this".
Or as Sara Thornton said in 2010 after Thames Valley Police received a dreadful 'Fair' (interspaced with 'poor') for their performance that year.Some of the over-arching factors that caused this were nationally consistent, for example:
1) An excessive focus upon central targets for crime types likes burglary at the expense of other things not measured like CSE.
2) A diversity agenda that made people scared to say "these ethnic groups are committing a disproportional amount of this".
'In the last year we have detected more serious sexual offences and hate crimes than last year and our performance when dealing with the most serious offences is very strong.'
Oh really? Today's report shows you missed rather a lot too!
She followed that off by the important bit...
'We are also pleased to note the excellent performance in reducing those killed or seriously injured on our roads.
This follows a long-term downward trend which is delivered as a result of the excellent work by the Road Policing Department and local partners in the Safer Roads Partnership.'
At that same time 5 years ago there was a police commander who I believe had his desk on the floor under Thornton's office at Thames Valley Headquarters here (Kidlington). He was about to appear at Southwark Crown Court... what was his name? Oh yeah, Ali Dizaei.
Some record we have round here. We knew that. But the question is, is it really countrywide?
I'll repeat again though what someone round here said:
'If you don't think it's happening where you are, you're not looking!'
Claudia Skies said:
What no-one seems to concern themselves about is the huge practical difficulties of "controlling" difficult teenage girls without locking them up. I doubt the girls involved here would take kindly to lifestyle advice from hand-wringing, middle-class do-gooders.
What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
What do you mean? its the girls fault?What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
Foliage said:
Claudia Skies said:
What no-one seems to concern themselves about is the huge practical difficulties of "controlling" difficult teenage girls without locking them up. I doubt the girls involved here would take kindly to lifestyle advice from hand-wringing, middle-class do-gooders.
What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
What do you mean? its the girls fault?What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
This country!
allergictocheese said:
La Liga said:
2) A diversity agenda that made people scared to say "these ethnic groups are committing a disproportional amount of this".
I think this is a real issue and has resulted in the suffering of many, many people. If we keep ignoring uncomfortable truths they eventually turn into even less comfortable ststorms.This was seemingly a lot easier to ignore.
Foliage said:
Claudia Skies said:
What no-one seems to concern themselves about is the huge practical difficulties of "controlling" difficult teenage girls without locking them up. I doubt the girls involved here would take kindly to lifestyle advice from hand-wringing, middle-class do-gooders.
What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
What do you mean? its the girls fault?What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
Foliage said:
Claudia Skies said:
What no-one seems to concern themselves about is the huge practical difficulties of "controlling" difficult teenage girls without locking them up. I doubt the girls involved here would take kindly to lifestyle advice from hand-wringing, middle-class do-gooders.
What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
What do you mean? its the girls fault?What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.
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