OXFORD 'Grooming' Serious Case Review - heads to roll?

[jogon]

Claudia Skies said:

What do you mean? these girls are sweet little darlings who'd much rather stay in the care home and do some needlework?

So at 11 years old you think it's there fault they hang around with older men who give them mobile phones, top-up cards, booze and then inject them with heroin.

I read your posts in the euro thread and a few more on other threads and have come to the conclusion you have been common purposed good and proper.

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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Would you be ok with them being placed in a HIGH security environment?

[Foliage]

Esseesse said:

Foliage said:

Claudia Skies said:

What no-one seems to concern themselves about is the huge practical difficulties of "controlling" difficult teenage girls without locking them up. I doubt the girls involved here would take kindly to lifestyle advice from hand-wringing, middle-class do-gooders.

What's more, we are supposed to believe these forms of abuse magically stop when the girls reach 18 years old and make their own decisions. Yeah right.

What do you mean? its the girls fault?

Sounds more like he's blaming parents IMO?

Im just curious, the abusers seem quite capable of controlling these teenagers. Just reads to me like hes blaming the children for being abused, you might be right he might mean the parents or society or the government/council, their are a lot of failings here. BUT its not the victims fault, even if they made the wrong decisions and ended up in this situation by trusting the wrong people they are still children.

[Esseesse]

jogon said:

Claudia Skies said:

What do you mean? these girls are sweet little darlings who'd much rather stay in the care home and do some needlework?

So at 11 years old you think it's there fault they hang around with older men who give them mobile phones, top-up cards, booze and then inject them with heroin.

I read your posts in the euro thread and a few more on other threads and have come to the conclusion you have been common purposed good and proper.

I agree with you that these older men are totally at fault. Lack of parenting may well be a problem too though (and other factors) that aid to the situation. No 11 year old daughter of mine would be hanging around with men anyway, but maybe that's just me!

[Foliage]

Esseesse said:

I agree with you that these older men are totally at fault. Lack of parenting may well be a problem too though (and other factors) that aid to the situation. No 11 year old daughter of mine would be hanging around with men anyway, but maybe that's just me!

Yep they need support and guidance from professionals, they aren't getting that, social services needs to get fixed, im not sure about sending officials to prison but certainly if someone doesn't do their job they shouldn't be in that job anymore.

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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Well it seems to me to be the only solution, that and paying for each care home to have its own minibus and driver. If that doesn't happen, then it's going to continue even though it shouldn't.

[fido]

RobinOakapple said:

Well it seems to me to be the only solution, that and paying for each care home to have its own minibus and driver. If that doesn't happen, then it's going to continue even though it shouldn't.

You've totally missed the part where the Council and the Police are turning a blind eye to activities for which they have strong evidence to investigate. That's where the failings are. Btw is this another Labour council?

[jogon]

fido said:

You've totally missed the part where the Council and the Police are turning a blind eye to activities for which they have strong evidence to investigate. That's where the failings are. Btw is this another Labour council?

Not too far from Cameron's constituency.

[Esseesse]

Foliage said:

Esseesse said:

I agree with you that these older men are totally at fault. Lack of parenting may well be a problem too though (and other factors) that aid to the situation. No 11 year old daughter of mine would be hanging around with men anyway, but maybe that's just me!

Yep they need support and guidance from professionals, they aren't getting that, social services needs to get fixed, im not sure about sending officials to prison but certainly if someone doesn't do their job they shouldn't be in that job anymore.

This is probably for another topic (but maybe not), but IMO the problem is that there is a need to rely on social services so often (I'm assuming it's higher now than 30 years ago). Fixing or improving social services is a short term fix, we should be implementing policies that are supportive of traditional families and marriage (unfashionable I know). It's difficult for me to articulate, but also I feel the way society has gone/decayed, the obsession with sex (relentless increasing sex education, soft porn music industry, aided by poor parenting that isn't concerned about it) probably creates children that are more 'groomable'.

[Foliage]

Ive just read the guardian article, I feel like im gonna both puke and cry, how can people be so cruel and im not talking about the men who commited the crime but the officials who blamed the children

Apparently being a precocious teen means that its your fault for being groomed, drugged, raped & tortured..

Also teens being given contraceptives is over sexualising them....

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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Not advocating anything, I'm just acknowledging reality. There's only a certain amount of money available, and every pound spent on one of our (society's) many problems is one less available to be spent elsewhere. This problem could be greatly reduced if a lot more money was spent on it,. but the same could be said for all the other problems.

[Foliage]

Esseesse said:

Foliage said:

Esseesse said:

I agree with you that these older men are totally at fault. Lack of parenting may well be a problem too though (and other factors) that aid to the situation. No 11 year old daughter of mine would be hanging around with men anyway, but maybe that's just me!

Yep they need support and guidance from professionals, they aren't getting that, social services needs to get fixed, im not sure about sending officials to prison but certainly if someone doesn't do their job they shouldn't be in that job anymore.

This is probably for another topic (but maybe not), but IMO the problem is that there is a need to rely on social services so often (I'm assuming it's higher now than 30 years ago). Fixing or improving social services is a short term fix, we should be implementing policies that are supportive of traditional families and marriage (unfashionable I know). It's difficult for me to articulate, but also I feel the way society has gone/decayed, the obsession with sex (relentless increasing sex education, soft porn music industry, aided by poor parenting that isn't concerned about it) probably creates children that are more 'groomable'.

I think your right, about families etc, there is a lot wrong with our society at the moment. And as you say a lot of it can be blamed on the sex obsessed media.

[johnxjsc1985]

Foliage said:

Ive just read the guardian article, I feel like im gonna both puke and cry, how can people be so cruel and im not talking about the men who commited the crime but the officials who blamed the children

Apparently being a precocious teen means that its your fault for being groomed, drugged, raped & tortured..

Also teens being given contraceptives is over sexualising them....

We have now political dullards that have no idea of how people live in the real world and have not one ounce of common sense. MP's are one set of idiots but those who work within local authorities are incredibly thick and arrogant.
What we do then is allow these same people to run an enquiry which takes them ten times as long as most people of average intelligence would take.
The whole situation both here and in other places like Rotherham is just mind-blowingly depressing

[rich85uk]

jogon said:

So at 11 years old you think it's there fault they hang around with older men who give them mobile phones, top-up cards, booze and then inject them with heroin.

I read your posts in the euro thread and a few more on other threads and have come to the conclusion you have been common purposed good and proper.

Or in the Aylesbury case it was the taxi drivers taking them to/from care, knowing they were vulnerable they were then drugged, beaten and passed around to mates.

[Mermaid]

This will be forgotten in a few days, the victims will remember for ever.

[RobinOakapple]

rich85uk said:

jogon said:

So at 11 years old you think it's there fault they hang around with older men who give them mobile phones, top-up cards, booze and then inject them with heroin.

I read your posts in the euro thread and a few more on other threads and have come to the conclusion you have been common purposed good and proper.

Or in the Aylesbury case it was the taxi drivers taking them to/from care, knowing they were vulnerable they were then drugged, beaten and passed around to mates.

Point I was making earlier, care homes should have their own minivans and drivers, but that would cost a lot more money.

[andymc]

I'm pretty sure in my local community rapists/abusers are shunned and spat at in the street and i can recall more than one getting the st kicked out of him before and after jail, doesn't seem to happen with this lot as the girls are white

[Mark Benson]

anonymous said:

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The problem could be greatly reduced by those in a position of responsibility acknowledging that a certain demographic seems to think that abusing vulnerable young girls is acceptable in 21st century Britain.
Once the police and social services allow fear of being accused of racism to stop them investigating paedophilia then I'd say their priorities are seriously screwed.

The girls did nothing wrong. The people tasked with protecting them fked up royally and have tried to avoid taking responsibility ever since.

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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You will agree though that if the care homes were secure (i.e. girls could not get out) and if they were escorted to and from school etc by responsible adults, that this problem would not have arisen?

That being the case, it's really just a question of money. Not much good saying you can't lock the girls up, and you can't have the money for a minivan and driver, and then expecting this not to have happened.

[hajaba123]

RobinOakapple said:

You will agree though that if the care homes were secure (i.e. girls could not get out) and if they were escorted to and from school etc by responsible adults, that this problem would not have arisen?

That being the case, it's really just a question of money. Not much good saying you can't lock the girls up, and you can't have the money for a minivan and driver, and then expecting this not to have happened.

Are you real???

The problem wouldn't have raisen if there weren't peado scumbags raping innocent kids. Or have I missed the point?