Kid on bike murdered

[98elise]

Burwood said:

id like to see mandatory long sentences for carrying knives. Random stop and search. If that upsets a few hoodied youfs, tough st

knee jerk reactions are not always good. I used to buy fresh food for work on a Monday morning. The knives in our shared kitchen were crap, so one Morning I took one of my kitchen knives in.

It was only as I was walking through central London streets that it dawned on me that if I was stopped and searched, having a 7 inch razor sharp knife (in a scabbard), in my inside jacket pocket might take some explaining.

A mandatory sentences would see me in jail just for wanting a decent salad at lunch.

There should be some intent proven as well.

[Hol]

98elise said:

Burwood said:

id like to see mandatory long sentences for carrying knives. Random stop and search. If that upsets a few hoodied youfs, tough st

knee jerk reactions are not always good. I used to buy fresh food for work on a Monday morning. The knives in our shared kitchen were crap, so one Morning I took one of my kitchen knives in.

It was only as I was walking through central London streets that it dawned on me that if I was stopped and searched, having a 7 inch razor sharp knife (in a scabbard), in my inside jacket pocket might take some explaining.

A mandatory sentences would see me in jail just for wanting a decent salad at lunch.

There should be some intent proven as well.

But if everybody knew that there was a mandatory sentence, would you not have found another way. A knife sharpener perhaps?

You could carry it wrapped up in a closed bag, rather than a readily available place on your person.

[McWigglebum4th]

Hol said:

98elise said:

Burwood said:

id like to see mandatory long sentences for carrying knives. Random stop and search. If that upsets a few hoodied youfs, tough st

knee jerk reactions are not always good. I used to buy fresh food for work on a Monday morning. The knives in our shared kitchen were crap, so one Morning I took one of my kitchen knives in.

It was only as I was walking through central London streets that it dawned on me that if I was stopped and searched, having a 7 inch razor sharp knife (in a scabbard), in my inside jacket pocket might take some explaining.

A mandatory sentences would see me in jail just for wanting a decent salad at lunch.

There should be some intent proven as well.

But if everybody knew that there was a mandatory sentence, would you not have found another way. A knife sharpener perhaps?

You could carry it wrapped up in a closed bag, rather than a readily available place on your person.

Yeah great idea

So anyone caught with anything that could be used as a weapon will be jailed for 5 years

Combine that with target driven policing and you can expect jails very full of housewives and electricians



I have a radical idea

Make it illegal to stab people

[Hol]

McWigglebum4th said:

Hol said:

98elise said:

Burwood said:

id like to see mandatory long sentences for carrying knives. Random stop and search. If that upsets a few hoodied youfs, tough st

knee jerk reactions are not always good. I used to buy fresh food for work on a Monday morning. The knives in our shared kitchen were crap, so one Morning I took one of my kitchen knives in.

It was only as I was walking through central London streets that it dawned on me that if I was stopped and searched, having a 7 inch razor sharp knife (in a scabbard), in my inside jacket pocket might take some explaining.

A mandatory sentences would see me in jail just for wanting a decent salad at lunch.

There should be some intent proven as well.

But if everybody knew that there was a mandatory sentence, would you not have found another way. A knife sharpener perhaps?

You could carry it wrapped up in a closed bag, rather than a readily available place on your person.

Yeah great idea

So anyone caught with anything that could be used as a weapon will be jailed for 5 years

Combine that with target driven policing and you can expect jails very full of housewives and electricians



I have a radical idea

Make it illegal to stab people

5 years?? I didn't say that, so I guess that is your own idea that you are arguing with!

Also, you have either not read my post, or you have just insisted that electricians and housewives walk around with long bladed knives in their trouser pockets!! (I would have thought they would carry them in some sort of bag or toolbox myself - which is not on their person).

I'm sensing a bias against the judicial system in general from you? A bad personal experience perhaps?

[xjsdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

Yeah great idea

So anyone caught with anything that could be used as a weapon will be jailed for 5 years

Combine that with target driven policing and you can expect jails very full of housewives and electricians



I have a radical idea

Make it illegal to stab people

It already is illegal...... I take it your nonsense from the other thread knows no bounds? However 40 or 50 year sentences for such a senseless killing may be more of a deterrent. The young thug will never be a danger to the public again......he would be in his 60's or 70's by the time of his release.

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Yeah great idea

So anyone caught with anything that could be used as a weapon will be jailed for 5 years

Combine that with target driven policing and you can expect jails very full of housewives and electricians



I have a radical idea

Make it illegal to stab people

It already is illegal...... I take it your nonsense from the other thread knows no bounds? However 40 or 50 year sentences for such a senseless killing may be more of a deterrent. The young thug will never be a danger to the public again......he would be in his 60's or 70's by the time of his release.

Well spotted

Stabbing people is already illegal

Hence we don't need a ban on people owning anything vaguely stabby


However i bet you the young scrote already has a offence list as long as your arm and he will be out and about in about a decade

[xjsdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

Well spotted

Stabbing people is already illegal

Hence we don't need a ban on people owning anything vaguely stabby


However i bet you the young scrote already has a offence list as long as your arm and he will be out and about in about a decade

I don't believe their is a ban on anything vaguely stabby - I believe the exact wording is more along the lines of "prohibition of carrying a bladed article in public without good reason". HTH.

[scenario8]

Meanwhile, an 18 year old has been charged with the murder. Let's hope he's guilty, is found guilty, and isn't heard from again for several decades.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-317746...

[scenario8]

croyde said:

Someone's been charged with his murder.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11456...

My apologies. In amongst the shouting I missed this.

[rohrl]

xjsdriver said:

I don't believe their is a ban on anything vaguely stabby - I believe the exact wording is more along the lines of "prohibition of carrying a bladed article in public without good reason". HTH.

Stabbing someone is at the very least an assault, more likely ABH or GBH, which are criminal offences.

[xjsdriver]

scenario8 said:

Meanwhile, an 18 year old has been charged with the murder. Let's hope he's guilty, is found guilty, and isn't heard from again for several decades.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-317746...

I'm hoping for at least 4 decades - a Kray-like sentence would be appropriate in this situation. I'm normally quite scathing of our justice system for overstepping the mark. But in this instance - a pointless murder, where the assailant doesn't even try to rob the boy of his bike is beyond the pale and a deterrent to make others think twice is needed in this case.

[McWigglebum4th]

xjsdriver said:

I'm hoping for at least 4 decades - a Kray-like sentence would be appropriate in this situation. I'm normally quite scathing of our justice system for overstepping the mark. But in this instance - a pointless murder, where the assailant doesn't even try to rob the boy of his bike is beyond the pale and a deterrent to make others think twice is needed in this case.

I am thinking

charge reduced to manslaughter

And 10 years at a very very max

[xjsdriver]

McWigglebum4th said:

I am thinking

charge reduced to manslaughter

And 10 years at a very very max

I doubt the CPS would go for that, they'll be looking for a maximum sentence on this one. I bet the judges summing up will be along the lines of "Not only must justice be done - but justice must be seen to be done" I'm not normally a fan of such phrases, but on the video evidence of what can plainly be observed that this was a pre-planned, orchestrated, simultaneous attack from both sides of the street. Malice aforethought cannot be denied, therefore a manslaughter plea should be disregarded.

[KFC]

98elise said:

There should be some intent proven as well.

So the police stop some scrote in a council estate at 2m and he's got a a chefs knife down his sleeve.... you can't prove he was actually going to do anything with it so you need to just let him go. Is that really how you want that scenario play out?

I don't think its viable to need to prove intent, the possession of it in public should be enough, unless you have good reason. So I guess in your case you'd need to take your chance in front of a jury with your salad story.