Kid on bike murdered

[Pothole]

killingjoker said:

I wish we could bring back capital punishment. Maybe it would deter some of this unbeleivable behaviour if it was a life for a life.

and maybe, no probably, it wouldn't. In the US, statistics would suggest that it's no deterrent. I would guess that very few criminals do a risk/benefit assessment before acting illegally.

Edited formatting by Pothole on Tuesday 3rd March 16:38

Edited by Pothole on Tuesday 3rd March 16:38

[Mr Trophy]

I have no words at all - which is not like me.

Someone's son has been taken away from them over absolutely nothing.

Really does make you think indeed.

RIP

[RobinOakapple]

Hoofy said:

Anybody can do karate, too. I think the issue is that croyde's son lacks self-esteem or something. Sounds like he has "victim" written across his forehead. Perhaps he needs to stick to whatever martial art until it changes him somewhat?

Thing is, some people aren't hard, and some are. It doesn't matter how many classes you go to, if you aren't hard you will lose against someone who is. Similar situation with all sorts of human activities.

[Hoofy]

RobinOakapple said:

Hoofy said:

Anybody can do karate, too. I think the issue is that croyde's son lacks self-esteem or something. Sounds like he has "victim" written across his forehead. Perhaps he needs to stick to whatever martial art until it changes him somewhat?

Thing is, some people aren't hard, and some are. It doesn't matter how many classes you go to, if you aren't hard you will lose against someone who is. Similar situation with all sorts of human activities.

Well, if he takes enough (controlled) punishment in a class, it will help toughen him up somewhat and give him confidence. At some point, most students will end up running a class. It might take 5 years... or even 10...

Edit: that said, if he were the kid on the bicycle in the OP, he'd still be dead.

[RobinOakapple]

Hoofy said:

RobinOakapple said:

Hoofy said:

Anybody can do karate, too. I think the issue is that croyde's son lacks self-esteem or something. Sounds like he has "victim" written across his forehead. Perhaps he needs to stick to whatever martial art until it changes him somewhat?

Thing is, some people aren't hard, and some are. It doesn't matter how many classes you go to, if you aren't hard you will lose against someone who is. Similar situation with all sorts of human activities.

Well, if he takes enough (controlled) punishment in a class, it will help toughen him up somewhat and give him confidence. At some point, most students will end up running a class. It might take 5 years... or even 10...

We obviously mean something different by 'hard'. It's not something that can be learned.

No point in fighting over it though...

[Hoofy]

RobinOakapple said:

We obviously mean something different by 'hard'. It's not something that can be learned.

No point in fighting over it though...

Surely, you could be trained to change your personality?

Edit: http://youtu.be/qSd9rjiCHlc

Edited by Hoofy on Tuesday 3rd March 16:14

[jdw100]

Pothole said:

nd maybe, no probably, it wouldn't. In the US, statistics I would guess that very few criminals do a risk/benefit assessment before acting illegally.

Yep, if he had done some risk analysis - might kill the guy, go to prison, get retaliated against, never get a job, ruin my life etc. - he simply wouldn't have done it.

Young urban male - not smart enough to think it through, maybe has to prove himself, probably knows a few people that have been stabbed and didn't die just got a few stitches, peer pressure, no thought to CCTV or forensics...you name it but clearly did not think of any consequences beyond the next 20 seconds.

That is what separates us from them - we think of the consequences and don't commit crime because we can imagine the impact on ours and other's lives.

[Pothole]

jdw100 said:

Pothole said:

nd maybe, no probably, it wouldn't. In the US, statistics I would guess that very few criminals do a risk/benefit assessment before acting illegally.

Yep, if he had done some risk analysis - might kill the guy, go to prison, get retaliated against, never get a job, ruin my life etc. - he simply wouldn't have done it.

Young urban male - not smart enough to think it through, maybe has to prove himself, probably knows a few people that have been stabbed and didn't die just got a few stitches, peer pressure, no thought to CCTV or forensics...you name it but clearly did not think of any consequences beyond the next 20 seconds.

That is what separates us from them - we think of the consequences and don't commit crime because we can imagine the impact on ours and other's lives.

I'd say that's our moral compass. These idiots don't have one.

[okgo]

^^

That, though I didn't do anything like this, I was the same as a teenager, do something, suffer repercussions later. These lot are the same, but just on a different level with regard to how serious it is.

[croyde]

What is frightening is that the killer is just so casual. He stabs the poor lad and doesn't even look, just walks off and get's on the back of one of the bikes that his mate has taken off the lad's friends.

Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS. Bloody cowards defect and join the other side though.

[Pothole]

croyde said:

What is frightening is that the killer is just so casual. He stabs the poor lad and doesn't even look, just walks off and get's on the back of one of the bikes that his mate has taken off the lad's friends.

Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS. Bloody cowards defect and join the other side though.

God bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

[jdw100]

Pothole said:

I'd say that's our moral compass. These idiots don't have one.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement.

There are things I might want to do but don't - not because of any morality but because of the fear of repercussions.

Also, these guys may in other areas be perhaps more moral (in their sense) and willing to undertake actions due, for example, to a heightened sense of loyalty.

If someone were to kill your friend would you haunt them down and try to kill them regardless of the cost to yourself? Some of these guys would, whereas you or I would rely on the Police and judicial system.

I think you can behave well in society either because of your moral compass or because you are scared of the consequences. I won't do X because its not right or I won't do X because I might get caught and it would ruin my life.

I guess the end result is the same...?

Think I've waffled on here but hope that makes sense.

[Pothole]

jdw100 said:

Pothole said:

I'd say that's our moral compass. These idiots don't have one.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that statement.

There are things I might want to do but don't - not because of any morality but because of the fear of repercussions.

Also, these guys may in other areas be perhaps more moral (in their sense) and willing to undertake actions due, for example, to a heightened sense of loyalty.

If someone were to kill your friend would you haunt them down and try to kill them regardless of the cost to yourself? Some of these guys would, whereas you or I would rely on the Police and judicial system.

I think you can behave well in society either because of your moral compass or because you are scared of the consequences. I won't do X because its not right or I won't do X because I might get caught and it would ruin my life.

I guess the end result is the same...?

Think I've waffled on here but hope that makes sense.

I think fear of consequences influences my overall moral compass.

[croyde]

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

From being old.

[Claudia Skies]

jogon said:

Horrendous ..... animal ..... scum.

It is a truly shocking incident but this sort of vitriolic ranting is fit only for the gutter tabloids.

Let's hope the perpetrators are found and dealt with. Tragedy for the family.

[dandarez]

croyde said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

From being old.

I think I know where you are coming from. Just take driving: in the late 60s, the 70s, the 80s I'd stop to help anyone if they appeared in distress or needed help. Today? I stay in my car and call 999.

Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.

Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.

http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...

[Pothole]

dandarez said:

croyde said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

From being old.

I think I know where you are coming from. Just take driving: in the late 60s, the 70s, the 80s I'd stop to help anyone if they appeared in distress or needed help. Today? I stay in my car and call 999.

Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.

Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.

http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...

Yes, pretty naive to cling to a van being driven away.

My reaction was to this specifically "Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS". Which is utterly ridiculous.

[dandarez]

Pothole said:

dandarez said:

croyde said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

From being old.

I think I know where you are coming from. Just take driving: in the late 60s, the 70s, the 80s I'd stop to help anyone if they appeared in distress or needed help. Today? I stay in my car and call 999.

Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.

Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.

http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...

Yes, pretty naive to cling to a van being driven away.

My reaction was to this specifically "Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS". Which is utterly ridiculous.

I agree with that. But the naive bit, I bet you'd just wave the thief off too? The answer is simple, unlike years ago, today, don't even put yourself in the situation, drive on and phone the cops, because it can so easily go tits up ...for you.

[Transmitter Man]

[quote=Boydie88]Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.

What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.

Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.

The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.

Phil

[Himself]

johnnywb said:

As someone who lives in London, I decided a long time ago that if someone wants my phone, wallet etc, they can have it. It's not worth it.

That's fine.....if you get the chance....it doesn't seem like this kid got the opportunity to give his bike away.