Kid on bike murdered

[vixen1700]

sanguinary said:

Yep, that's what got me too. I know life can change in an instant, but I'd like a little more warning than that lad got. His life changed quicker than I can click my fingers. He wasn't even given the choice of whether to hand his bike over or get stabbed. Utter, utter scum.

Yeah, utterly horrific. Hope the scum never see the light of day again.

[bazza white]

I wonder if the person who based himself in wanted to just nick a bike not thinking his nutty mate was going to straight out stab the poor lad.

[menousername]

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

Why is it warped

[rohrl]

bazza white said:

I wonder if the person who based himself in wanted to just nick a bike not thinking his nutty mate was going to straight out stab the poor lad.

Joint enterprise could see all the thieves done for murder. It's a controversial law.

[superlightr]

rohrl said:

bazza white said:

I wonder if the person who based himself in wanted to just nick a bike not thinking his nutty mate was going to straight out stab the poor lad.

Joint enterprise could see all the thieves done for murder. It's a controversial law.

I hope the one that has turned himself in and presumably was not the one that did the stabbing will get credit for turning himself in and acting as a witness against the one stabbing.

Why? because it may well have saved time in getting these people arrested, it may secure a murder sentence against the one doing the stabbing easier then may have been otherwise, it will encourage others to act at witnesses even if they were involved but did not do the stabbing in the chance that their sentence will be less.

what a horrendous and cruel act to just stab the kid with no chance to even give up the bike. revenge feelings would be strong if that happened to a child of mine.

[tom2019]

Is it possible the murderer could get man-slaughter as "I didn't mean to kill him when I plunged a knife into him"

[Pothole]

tom2019 said:

Is it possible the murderer could get man-slaughter as "I didn't mean to kill him when I plunged a knife into him"

I suspect it is possible. IANAL.

[Boydie88]

tom2019 said:

Is it possible the murderer could get man-slaughter as "I didn't mean to kill him when I plunged a knife into him"

Sadly that's exactly how I see it going. Wouldn't be surprised if the whole group are back on the streets in 5 years.

[oyster]

jogon said:

Time we got tough on these gangs, 'hug a hoody' hasn't worked Dave, we have had the riots in 2011 with over 60% of those prosecuted going on to reoffend and now we have groups of kids roaming London with such disregard for other people's life.

You can be certain if they do ever catch this animal he will have a string of other offences on his record.

I suspect he'll have a string of further offences to come when he's released from prison.

In fact I have a hunch that this won't be the only family he'll destroy during his lifetime.

[Fastra]

Be interesting to hear if this has happened before in that area, did it look well rehearsed?

The parents though, I mean, just how on earth do you deal with this? Ever?

[croyde]

My lad came to me at the local skate park saying that some other lad had told him to fek off. I walked over to this lad sat astride his BMX bike which he dwarfed, in order to have words.

He towered over me but that wasn't the scary thing, it was his eyes, they looked dead like a fish's on a fishmonger's slab. He looked right through me as if I wasn't there or didn't matter. It was chilling.

I walked back to my boy and suggested that we had better fek off and go home for our tea.

[Transmitter Man]

croyde said:

My lad came to me at the local skate park saying that some other lad had told him to fek off. I walked over to this lad sat astride his BMX bike which he dwarfed, in order to have words.

He towered over me but that wasn't the scary thing, it was his eyes, they looked dead like a fish's on a fishmonger's slab. He looked right through me as if I wasn't there or didn't matter. It was chilling.

I walked back to my boy and suggested that we had better fek off and go home for our tea.

Sounds like he was on something, and it wasn't weed.

Phil

[Kermit power]

Transmitter Man]oydie88 said:

Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.

What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.

Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.

The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.

Phil

Except they won't get it. There is no evidence anywhere that the death sentence acts as a deterrent.

[TTwiggy]

Pothole said:

tom2019 said:

Is it possible the murderer could get man-slaughter as "I didn't mean to kill him when I plunged a knife into him"

I suspect it is possible. IANAL.

IAANAL, but the attack was premeditated, so even if the intent was not to kill, it would still be murder rather than manslaughter I believe.

[Pothole]

dandarez said:

Pothole said:

dandarez said:

croyde said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

From being old.

I think I know where you are coming from. Just take driving: in the late 60s, the 70s, the 80s I'd stop to help anyone if they appeared in distress or needed help. Today? I stay in my car and call 999.

Those younger in years who have a 'good moral compass' can get caught out.

Their naivety can even mean having your skull broken - see link - and for what? FA!
The chances of that happening years ago were rare. Very rare.

http://news.sky.com/story/1436642/man-charged-afte...

Yes, pretty naive to cling to a van being driven away.

My reaction was to this specifically "Should round him and his like up and form a squad and send them in to fight ISIS". Which is utterly ridiculous.

I agree with that. But the naive bit, I bet you'd just wave the thief off too? The answer is simple, unlike years ago, today, don't even put yourself in the situation, drive on and phone the cops, because it can so easily go tits up ...for you.

Having witnessed my mother being dragged down the road by a pillion-mounted bag snatcher in Rome in 1980 (when I was 15) I'm not sure I'd be as shocked as the bloke who clung to his van. I reckon I'd have the presence of mind to commit as much detail about the thief to mind as possible and, yes, let him go. It's a van, it's not my life.

[Pothole]

menousername said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

Why is it warped

Which bit of arming and training convicted murderers and sending them to the front line do you think is not warped?

[TTwiggy]

anonymous said:

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I see what you did there . I'm (very) distantly related to the copper who got shot on that roof (like 3rd or 4th cousin many times removed).

[Martin4x4]

should be used for organ donors

[superkartracer]

Kermit power said:

Transmitter Man]oydie88 said:

Just hope every single one of them end up being done to the maximum penalty possible.

What's that, 12 years, out in 6, colouTV and a Kenya safari thrown in for good behaviour.

Bring back the bloody DP and tell Angie & Co what she can do with her HR's.

The scrotes will then, and only then, get it.

Phil

Except they won't get it. There is no evidence anywhere that the death sentence acts as a deterrent.

Agreed, BUT it removes said scum... which i reckons a good thing.

[9mm]

rohrl said:

bazza white said:

I wonder if the person who based himself in wanted to just nick a bike not thinking his nutty mate was going to straight out stab the poor lad.

Joint enterprise could see all the thieves done for murder. It's a controversial law.

I think it's a great law. I must have read all of the 'miscarriages of justice' supposedly associated with it and haven't yet found one (after reading ALL of the facts) where I sympathise with those convicted.

It sends a great message to those who can read - don't associate with thugs.