Kid on bike murdered

[Hol]

Pothole said:

menousername said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

Why is it warped

Which bit of arming and training convicted murderers and sending them to the front line do you think is not warped?

If you want to give them a big cuddle - go ahead. That's your choice.

The vast majority of people don't actually like the idea of bending over for criminals and would rather they were punished.

[croyde]

Did I mention arming or training them. Use them as fekin cannon fodder.

[CuckooInMyNest]

Boydie88 said:

tom2019 said:

Is it possible the murderer could get man-slaughter as "I didn't mean to kill him when I plunged a knife into him"

Sadly that's exactly how I see it going. Wouldn't be surprised if the whole group are back on the streets in 5 years.

Definitely back on the streets in 5 years, 10 years for manslaughter because plunging a knife into someone's heart these days is not murder, because the intent to kill cannot be proved. Also, every sentence is now halved.

So what do we do? Do not let our children walk or cycle anywhere, especially in the evening and especially not in London.

[jdw100]

CuckooInMyNest said:

Definitely back on the streets in 5 years, 10 years for manslaughter because plunging a knife into someone's heart these days is not murder, because the intent to kill cannot be proved. Also, every sentence is now halved.

So what do we do? Do not let our children walk or cycle anywhere, especially in the evening and especially not in London.

To be fair the chances of this happening to your child/children is so small, compared to the chances of them being run over or contracting and dying from meningitis or drowning or one of lots of others things that I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

Much more likely to be injured or murdered by a family member than in a random robbery on the street. Not your kids - I'm sure you have a lovely family, but statistically speaking.

Of course they should be punished and, if possible, rehabilitated.

Overall the risk to you and your family from them is not large.

[jogon]

jdw100 said:

To be fair the chances of this happening to your child/children is so small, compared to the chances of them being run over or contracting and dying from meningitis or drowning or one of lots of others things that I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

Much more likely to be injured or murdered by a family member than in a random robbery on the street. Not your kids - I'm sure you have a lovely family, but statistically speaking.

Of course they should be punished and, if possible, rehabilitated.

Overall the risk to you and your family from them is not large.

Third fatal teenage stabbing in Islington in 5 months. Emily Thornberry can turn her nose up at the 'awful' England flags in Rochester and Strood but at least they don't have kids been stabbed to death on the street every other month.

[KFC]

9mm said:

I think it's a great law. I must have read all of the 'miscarriages of justice' supposedly associated with it and haven't yet found one (after reading ALL of the facts) where I sympathise with those convicted.

It sends a great message to those who can read - don't associate with thugs.

I've not read much into this but it doesn't really appear justice was done here. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/real-lives/jor...

[Boydie88]

KFC said:

I've not read much into this but it doesn't really appear justice was done here. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/real-lives/jor...

Sounds as if wrongly convicted if there are witnesses saying he was in a different town at the time of a different attack which allowed them to prosecute as joint enterprise - I'd still argue he has associated himself with the scum.

As for this incident, every single one in that group involved in stealing those bikes should be done for murder imo.

Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 5th March 09:54

[Justayellowbadge]

KFC said:

I've not read much into this but it doesn't really appear justice was done here. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/real-lives/jor...

Known to police. 'A lovable imp'

Mum admits he's no angel.

And she's his alibi.

I'm not entirely convinced, tbh.

[KFC]

Boydie88 said:

Sounds as if wrongly convicted if there are witnesses saying he was in a different town at the time. As for this incident, every single one in that group involved in stealing those bikes should be done for murder imo.

From what I read his mum was saying he has an eye condition that meant he couldn't see the murder. I must also have that eye condition as I can't see things going on in other towns either I think he was there but had a very limited part in what went on.


With the bike thing, I don't know. If the other kids involved genuinely didn't know what that guy was planning / maybe didn't even know he had a knife then why not charge the stabber with murder and the rest of them with robbery?

[rohrl]

Like I said, it's controversial and I can see both sides of the argument. On the one hand you can say that if a gang of people surround someone who is then stabbed to death then the whole gang should be held responsible. On the other hand would you want to be held responsible for the most irresponsible of your acquaintances? When you were a teenager did you ever go for a night out on the town on which one of your group got into a fight or did something stupid?

[Pothole]

Hol said:

Pothole said:

menousername said:

Pothole said:

od bless your child(ren). Where do you get this ridiculously old-fashioned and frankly warped idea from?

Why is it warped

Which bit of arming and training convicted murderers and sending them to the front line do you think is not warped?

If you want to give them a big cuddle - go ahead. That's your choice.

The vast majority of people don't actually like the idea of bending over for criminals and would rather they were punished.

Of course, that's the only other option. Do you actually read what's written and take a second to think before responding?

[jdw100]

jogon said:

Third fatal teenage stabbing in Islington in 5 months. Emily Thornberry can turn her nose up at the 'awful' England flags in Rochester and Strood but at least they don't have kids been stabbed to death on the street every other month.

Okay, but how many kids live in Islington? How many have died from other causes?

Considering the area is three actually an expected or acceptable rate of attrition of young males?

On it's own the three is meaningless. Were they themselves involved in trouble as well?

Yes, I'm sure the sort of people that hang Ingerluund flags from their windows and live in Rochester are never involved in any violence or anti-social behaviour.

[Laurel Green]

A forth lad has now been arrested.

[kev1974]

Justayellowbadge said:

KFC said:

I've not read much into this but it doesn't really appear justice was done here. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/real-lives/jor...

Known to police. 'A lovable imp'

Mum admits he's no angel.

And she's his alibi.

I'm not entirely convinced, tbh.

Only phrase missing is "promising footballer"

Very convenient that he could see well enough to tag along with the other two and go looking for the victim but apparently unable to see at the fatal minute.

Too much shaky ground in that case for it to be a good example against joint enterprise.

[ofcorsa]

jdw100 said:

To be fair the chances of this happening to your child/children is so small, compared to the chances of them being run over or contracting and dying from meningitis or drowning or one of lots of others things that I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

Much more likely to be injured or murdered by a family member than in a random robbery on the street. Not your kids - I'm sure you have a lovely family, but statistically speaking.

Of course they should be punished and, if possible, rehabilitated.

Overall the risk to you and your family from them is not large.

Meningitis affects less than 2000 people in the UK annually, According to one report there are around 1000 knife crime victims a month in London. I'd consider that cause for alarm.

[KFC]

Justayellowbadge said:

Known to police. 'A lovable imp'

Mum admits he's no angel.

And she's his alibi.

I'm not entirely convinced, tbh.

Its hard to find a reliable source. You've got PIstonheads type posts wanting him to be sentenced to 50,000 years. Or Executed. And then you've got bullst websites from his family saying he is blind, which is obviously not true. Some reports say he was 15, some say 16.

Just at first glance it doesn't really sit right with me that he's been convicted of murder and sentenced to life here. I haven't seen anything at all (in an admittedly brief search) to say he directly took part in the assault, organised it, or ordered it or anything. If I was on the jury I don't think I'd have convicted him.

[jdw100]

ofcorsa said:

Meningitis affects less than 2000 people in the UK annually, According to one report there are around 1000 knife crime victims a month in London. I'd consider that cause for alarm.

I stand corrected then!

1,000 is a lot, I imagine much more goes unreported.

[Lotus Notes]

ofcorsa said:

According to one report there are around 1000 knife crime victims a month in London. I'd consider that cause for alarm.

Shocking figures..In 2008: 138,000 knife crimes were reported in the UK with 270 homicides from sharp instruments!

[Burwood]

id like to see mandatory long sentences for carrying knives. Random stop and search. If that upsets a few hoodied youfs, tough st

[Pothole]

jdw100 said:

ofcorsa said:

Meningitis affects less than 2000 people in the UK annually, According to one report there are around 1000 knife crime victims a month in London. I'd consider that cause for alarm.

I stand corrected then!

1,000 is a lot, I imagine much more goes unreported.

24.5% of London's population was Under 19 at last count and the 2011 Census put the total population at 8.17 million.

1000 is not a lot, assuming that the figure is not limited to knife crime among under 19s...