Taking Offence at Religeous Observance
Discussion
Reading on another thread that mentioned people being prevented from wearing a cross to avoid offendinf muslims set me thinking. If we, as the "host/majority" society must be seen to avoid offending the religeous minorities then surely the minorities are under an equal obligation to avoid offending the host/majority?
Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
rohrl said:
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
This. Exactly this. Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
Tyre Tread said:
Reading on another thread that mentioned people being prevented from wearing a cross to avoid offendinf muslims set me thinking. If we, as the "host/majority" society must be seen to avoid offending the religeous minorities then surely the minorities are under an equal obligation to avoid offending the host/majority?
Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
Most of your English lessons at school?Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
ETA and anything regarding comparative religion, too. A quick google showed me this:
(IISNA is a Melbourne based Islamic organisation that is dedicated to providing Islamic services and sharing sound Islamic knowledge to benefit the community. IISNA provides a multipurpose facility in the heart of the Melbourne's Muslim community - known as MyCentre - which provides social, educational, spiritual and recreational services to Muslims with an emphasis on the youth. - See more at: http://www.iisna.com/about/#sthash.wUWDdMrX.dpuf)
website said:
"There is no doubt that both the burqa and niqab have an Islamic basis, and that both have been commonly practised and recognised by Muslims throughout history. Islamic texts make it very clear that the hijab is compulsory for Muslim women to observe. Consequently, Islamic scholars have agreed that both the burqa and niqab are part of Islam, but have differed as to whether they are also compulsory or optional acts of virtue. This explains why some Muslim women wear the hijab, while others decide to wear the niqab or burqa. - See more at: http://www.iisna.com/articles/pamphlets/the-burqa-...
I can't find a branch of Christianity which requires the wearing of a cross or crucifix. Do you know of one?Edited by Pothole on Tuesday 3rd March 16:54
Pothole said:
Tyre Tread said:
Reading on another thread that mentioned people being prevented from wearing a cross to avoid offendinf muslims set me thinking. If we, as the "host/majority" society must be seen to avoid offending the religeous minorities then surely the minorities are under an equal obligation to avoid offending the host/majority?
Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
Mot of your English lessons at school?Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
rohrl said:
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
Hmmm I guess the no go areas don exist either?Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
rohrl said:
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
It's usually, but not always, the self-appointed professionally permanently offended enforcers of PC that complain on behalf of.Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
Mr GrimNasty said:
rohrl said:
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
It's usually, but not always, the self-appointed professionally permanently offended enforcers of PC that complain on behalf of.Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
ktard who tries these things on and ends up pissing everyone off - but still, he gets to feel smug!Pothole said:
Tyre Tread said:
Reading on another thread that mentioned people being prevented from wearing a cross to avoid offendinf muslims set me thinking. If we, as the "host/majority" society must be seen to avoid offending the religeous minorities then surely the minorities are under an equal obligation to avoid offending the host/majority?
Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
Most of your English lessons at school?Since a burka/ niqab, which covers up the face is as a sign of modesty religious faith, isn't it reasonable for the majority/host to ask for the minortity not to wear such a garment on the same grounds? Or am I missing something?
ETA and anything regarding comparative religion, too. A quick google showed me this:
(IISNA is a Melbourne based Islamic organisation that is dedicated to providing Islamic services and sharing sound Islamic knowledge to benefit the community. IISNA provides a multipurpose facility in the heart of the Melbourne's Muslim community - known as MyCentre - which provides social, educational, spiritual and recreational services to Muslims with an emphasis on the youth. - See more at: http://www.iisna.com/about/#sthash.wUWDdMrX.dpuf)
website said:
"There is no doubt that both the burqa and niqab have an Islamic basis, and that both have been commonly practised and recognised by Muslims throughout history. Islamic texts make it very clear that the hijab is compulsory for Muslim women to observe. Consequently, Islamic scholars have agreed that both the burqa and niqab are part of Islam, but have differed as to whether they are also compulsory or optional acts of virtue. This explains why some Muslim women wear the hijab, while others decide to wear the niqab or burqa. - See more at: http://www.iisna.com/articles/pamphlets/the-burqa-...
I can't find a branch of Christianity which requires the wearing of a cross or crucifix. Do you know of one?Edited by Pothole on Tuesday 3rd March 16:54
Same with the niqab - some Muslims think it's mandatory, many think it's not, and a small minority ban it on the grounds that it's anti-Islamic.
rohrl said:
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
visit saudiIsn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
wear a cross
report back on your findings
O/T - and I love this story, urban myth or not.
Apparently, during the design of the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai, the Architect got done over by the clients and exacted his own revenge by adding in the external restaurant on the sea-side of the hotel, therefor creating the worlds largest crucifix shape - in the Middle East. Funnily enough, they don't use the photos from this aspect very much in the promotional material...
http://www.zimaa.com/zimaa/burjularab.htm
Apparently, during the design of the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai, the Architect got done over by the clients and exacted his own revenge by adding in the external restaurant on the sea-side of the hotel, therefor creating the worlds largest crucifix shape - in the Middle East. Funnily enough, they don't use the photos from this aspect very much in the promotional material...
http://www.zimaa.com/zimaa/burjularab.htm
Asterix said:
O/T - and I love this story, urban myth or not.
Apparently, during the design of the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai, the Architect got done over by the clients and exacted his own revenge by adding in the external restaurant on the sea-side of the hotel, therefor creating the worlds largest crucifix shape - in the Middle East. Funnily enough, they don't use the photos from this aspect very much in the promotional material...
http://www.zimaa.com/zimaa/burjularab.htm
I remember that story from when I worked in AD.Apparently, during the design of the Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai, the Architect got done over by the clients and exacted his own revenge by adding in the external restaurant on the sea-side of the hotel, therefor creating the worlds largest crucifix shape - in the Middle East. Funnily enough, they don't use the photos from this aspect very much in the promotional material...
http://www.zimaa.com/zimaa/burjularab.htm
From the gulf side a great big crucifix.
Rumour had it that Big Z wasn't best pleased.
Bill said:
What thread was this?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=1486994&mid=434072&i=400&nmt=School+girls+fly+to+Syria&mid=434072Currently page 21
This post "Even to the point of that great leveller, PC! Because of this, including 'offending people', not allowed to wear a cross around your neck (it apparently offends those with different religious views).Or people being forced to remove thier proudly displayed Union Flag because it might cause offence! What next, take down the flags on Buckingham Palace.?
The whole sodding country has gone appeasement mad!."
spadriver
Can I be a mod ? I have glasses down to earth common sense and a sense of fair play ?
McWigglebum4th said:
rohrl said:
I'd be amazed if any Muslim has actually demanded that an observant Christian should remove their cross.
Isn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
visit saudiIsn't this just like all the stories which claim that people have been banned from doing things "because of Health and Safety" which turn out not to be true, or the apocryphal tale of Christmas being banned in favour or Winterval?
wear a cross
report back on your findings
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