Low productivity blamed for poor recovery from recession.

[anonymous-user]

FredClogs said:

I see from your profile you live in Monaco, I'm not sure how you do things over there but over here we treat folks as we find them.

That's nice, I guess if you can afford it... oh you can't. Why do you get all emotional about simple economic truths?

FredClogs said:

There are some things more important in life than being good little productive ants,

Couldn't agree more.

FredClogs said:

like not being a tt

You're quite an angry little man arn't you? Bless

FredClogs said:

Why not go back to counting your tax free loot and leave Britain to the British?

I guess you are too fvcking stupid to see the irony. Muppet.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 5th March 03:19

[davepoth]

Mobile Chicane said:

Widgets produced / time = easily measured.

Yes, but it's easier to compare if you use net income / employee hours. And that should give you a clue as to what the problem is - a lot of our economy pre 2008 was "casino banking", which on the measure of £ per person hour was very productive indeed.

[NoNeed]

I'm no surprised by the OP I work with some right lazy fkers who think you are cheeky expecting them to work in between smoke breaks.

[markcoznottz]

wc98 said:

The Don of Croy said:

On the lunchtime news they had some stats showing that productivity in the UK was up to 30% lower than in the USA (perhaps not a surprise), Germany (OK - reasonable), and France (WTF?).

If any country cannot out perform the 2hr lunch/35hr week brigade there must be a systemic problem...tell me I'm wrong.

I imagine it's to do with investment in better kit as much as how many hours the workforce put in.

i think the emphasis placed on "management techniques" over training and investment in up to date capital equipment will always hinder uk manufacturing.
as a nation we appear to be obsessed with becoming managers,who by and large should be used to facilitate the actual people making stuff,not treated as the be all and end all of a business. being able to do a nice presentation at the end of the month with lots of fancy spread sheets would appear to be more important than filling in a skills gap or making sure we at least have the equipment to compete with overseas competition.
we are very good at making stuff to a very high standard,and efficiently ,unfortunately the abilities of managers to manage this properly is lacking in many industries.

Still a big problem. Is there are country where suits hate the workers quite as much?.

[Welshbeef]

davepoth said:

Yes, but it's easier to compare if you use net income / employee hours. And that should give you a clue as to what the problem is - a lot of our economy pre 2008 was "casino banking", which on the measure of £ per person hour was very productive indeed.

If you strictly take hair dressing/cutting and one shop as a scenario.

An employee could only do say 4 per hour in 2008 today they can do no more exactly the same 4 per hour. However in that time salary has increased therefore it would appear that productivity from a £/ basis to create something has decreased yet it hasn't unless your proposing ever more decreases in salary

It is only certain industries where they have made big changes in the way things are done to increase output per hour mitigating any increased labour rate costs.


One could argue tBP having to sell off live oil fields to pay compensation while keeping more or less the same employee base has drastically reduced productivity but clearly that is not the case Physical man power productivity is the same the issue is the live fields now needing much less manpower as live and really earning big $ are out of the equation.