Bali Nine duo now on death row island

[blueg33]

I also take the view that they new what they were doing so tough luck.

But nevertheless its hard to condone the death penalty (what if they are not actually guilty etc?), although maybe its a softer option than spending the rest of your life in an Indonesian prison

[pork911]

Axionknight said:

pork911 said:

two WHOLE weeks?

Ever been to such a place? Getting your hands on a bit of gear is not hard, especially if you visit some of the less salubrious areas, finding a willing seller certainly wouldn't take two weeks anyway.

Two weeks might not give you a deep insight into just how bad things are but it's enough to make you realise just how easy acquiring drugs is.

yes thanks, have lived and worked in many such places. amazingly enough in these tin pot countries (that have the audacity to make there own laws!) something being illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen, unlike the UK of course

[hairyben]

the aussie limperals are all having benny over this; funny place australia, under that cool, chilled out g'day sport veneer there's an awful lot of hand-wringers (limperals) OR meathead extremes that gives anywhere a run for it's money

[jdw100]

Does anyone have a rough idea of what sentences they would have received in the UK?

I was asked this by a friend in Indo.

Please, no 'just a slap on the wrist and a free house' stuff. Just a rough idea; e.g. couple of years for the smaller crimes and ten for ringleaders.

Thanks!

[Grumfutock]

uk_vette said:

Imagine if some one planted drugs in your suitcase, then you get searched.

That would take some explanation.

vette

Imagine you smuggle drugs but get caught, then claim somebody planted the drugs when you are searched.

That would take some believing.

[petrolsniffer]

blueg33 said:

But nevertheless its hard to condone the death penalty (what if they are not actually guilty etc?), although maybe its a softer option than spending the rest of your life in an Indonesian prison

Agreed I can't remember the % but a certain amount on death row are innocent

Innocent have already been executed mainly from older cases where more modern forensics weren't available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

[jdw100]

Axionknight said:

Ever been to such a place? Getting your hands on a bit of gear is not hard, especially if you visit some of the less salubrious areas, finding a willing seller certainly wouldn't take two weeks anyway.

Two weeks might not give you a deep insight into just how bad things are but it's enough to make you realise just how easy acquiring drugs is.

I'd be very careful - quite a few of these sellers act as agent provocateurs for the Police. And their product is awful.

If you do want some decent gear then I suggest you make sure you have a decent wedge of cash to pay off the Police if needed.

[Ridgemont]

jdw100 said:

Does anyone have a rough idea of what sentences they would have received in the UK?

I was asked this by a friend in Indo.

Please, no 'just a slap on the wrist and a free house' stuff. Just a rough idea; e.g. couple of years for the smaller crimes and ten for ringleaders.

Thanks!

https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing

Up to life and/or unlimited fine. As to what actually gets handed down in practice... *shrug*

[jdw100]

Ridgemont said:

https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-deali...

Up to life and/or unlimited fine. As to what actually gets handed down in practice... *shrug*

Hmmmmm maybe I'll tell her anything from a couple of years to life then.

Thanks.

[Axionknight]

jdw100 said:

I'd be very careful - quite a few of these sellers act as agent provocateurs for the Police. And their product is awful.

If you do want some decent gear then I suggest you make sure you have a decent wedge of cash to pay off the Police if needed.

I'll pass thanks - taxed drugs only for me!

[4v6]

Far too much liberal handwringing and squealing from the usual sources imho.

Like any place on earth, if you know its against the law, dont, bloody, do it.
Especially when the penalty is a bullet between the eyes.

[Axionknight]

jdw100 said:

Does anyone have a rough idea of what sentences they would have received in the UK?

I was asked this by a friend in Indo.

Please, no 'just a slap on the wrist and a free house' stuff. Just a rough idea; e.g. couple of years for the smaller crimes and ten for ringleaders.

Thanks!

Obviously every case is different, but the production or wholesale supply of class A drugs carries a potential maximum punishment of life imprisonment.

[jdw100]

Axionknight said:

I'll pass thanks - taxed drugs only for me!

To each, his own!

[rich85uk]

jdw100 said:

Does anyone have a rough idea of what sentences they would have received in the UK?

I was asked this by a friend in Indo.

Please, no 'just a slap on the wrist and a free house' stuff. Just a rough idea; e.g. couple of years for the smaller crimes and ten for ringleaders.

Thanks!

These guys got caught with over 6 times the amount of heroin and the longest sentence was 17 years, I would guess he could well be free after 10 though

Edit for link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341805/Dr...

Edited by rich85uk on Wednesday 29th April 11:18

[jdw100]

Axionknight said:

Obviously every case is different, but the production or wholesale supply of class A drugs carries a potential maximum punishment of life imprisonment.

It does but I guess they would probably have been let out at some point?

[croyde]

I read the book about the Australian woman, Schapelle Corby, that was convicted of smuggling hashish INTO Indonesia, Bali to be exact.

First of all what idiot would smuggle drugs from a country where they are expensive to one that was cheap. Her court appointed lawyers were a joke, the female spent most of the time during the trial in tears. Both the 'law experts' were more interested in making money from photographers and newspapers by selling Schapelle's story and allowing them access to her even when she was in prison.

The prison conditions were horrific and everything involved giving money to guards.

Schapelle claimed that someone had added the gear to her boogie board bag when she flew to Bali with family for a holiday, and had no idea it was there so had no problem letting the customs guy search the bag. There was some evidence that the stuff was supposed to be moved from one Australian airport to another by a bunch of baggage handlers on the take, later arrested, but the Indonesians blocked every attempt at proving her innocence.

The CCTV footage that would have showed a happy girl with her family handing over her bag to customs officials with no hint of worry or angst, mysteriously disappeared.

The Australians didn't help either. The Airline 'lost' the baggage weight data that would have proved that the gear wasn't in the bag when it was checked in and also the Airline were trying to cover up the fact that baggage handlers were using the company's aircraft to smuggle drugs across Australia.

She almost got the death sentence but got 20 or 25 years instead. She eventually did 9 but is still in Bali on bail until at least 2017.

Sure if you are actually smuggling drugs you have to face the consequences and knowing what a joke the Indonesian, and other countries in that part of the world, justice systems are, should be enough to put any person with an ounce of sense off.

Weirdly in Indonesia they have short sentences for very violent crimes and murder. The lady in question met many people serving only 4 or 5 years for murder.

Funny that the countries that are easy to get drugs in are the ones with the more draconian sentences if you are caught. That's using not smuggling.

Edited by croyde on Wednesday 29th April 10:44

[Lost soul]

blueg33 said:

I also take the view that they new what they were doing so tough luck.

But nevertheless its hard to condone the death penalty (what if they are not actually guilty etc?), although maybe its a softer option than spending the rest of your life in an Indonesian prison

I am with you on this the penalty is well known if harsh

[Axionknight]

jdw100 said:

It does but I guess they would probably have been let out at some point?

I'm no legal expert but yeah, I think you would have to be doing something very serious indeed to not be considered for release or parole.

A quick example:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554132/Ga...

[thehawk]

croyde said:

Weirdly in Indonesia they have short sentences for very violent crimes and murder. The lady in question met many people serving only 4 or 5 years for murder.

Not really weird at all, drug dealers/smugglers are thought of as particularly bad because of the indirect destruction and deaths that they cause. Make no mistake, drugs are devastating to many families and communities in these countries. The overall impact to society by a drug dealer is far more than a murderer.

[croyde]

thehawk said:

croyde said:

Weirdly in Indonesia they have short sentences for very violent crimes and murder. The lady in question met many people serving only 4 or 5 years for murder.

Not really weird at all, drug dealers/smugglers are thought of as particularly bad because of the indirect destruction and deaths that they cause. Make no mistake, drugs are devastating to many families and communities in these countries. The overall impact to society by a drug dealer is far more than a murderer.

I realise that but still seems weird to consider murder to be no worse than burglary by their sentence length.